Gulfstream DQ 12/26 Race 8
 

Anyone else impacted by this today? I'm biased because I bet the horse that was DQ'd but I'm trying to rationalize the DQ and I just can't. The horse that was allegedly interfered with was not cost a placing and the winner was multiple lengths the best.

With all of the talk about trying to attract new bettors and keep the ones we have, it seems like DQ's like this do nothing but deter people from playing our game. I can't blame them.

Steve, not sure if you are planning on having Tim Ritvo on anytime soon, but I'd be interested in hearing him or someone at Gulfstream provide an explanation for this. We're owed as much I think.

You have a link to the replay, Hossy? I can't find it on Gulfstreams youtube channel.

Andy is pissed!

Hossy and Andy have plenty to be pissed about. This is the worst kind of objection/decision.. where a horse going nowhere is brushed or sideswiped by an onrushing runner yet is given a placing by the stewards out of the inquiry. Cruz and Saturday Launch -- who were all over the place -- actually jumped out into the path of Argentine Tango ahead of the incident. These are 2yo's in a turf race. There's going to be some hijinks and the stewards do horseplayers no favor interjecting themselves in a result where the contact had no affect on the outcome.

Hoss.. We're off this week, but will have Ritvo on plenty when doing the show from GP in a few weeks. But how much can track management do when the judges react to things in this manner?

And the thing is there wasn't an inquiry to begin with! It only got looked at by Cruz's late objection.

Is it me or does there seem to be many objections on a daily basis at GP this year?

Maragh is notorious for riding all over the place.

He reminds me of the taxi cab drivers in the Phillippines. 8-9path to the 2 and 3 path in 2 seconds. Only person who should be pissed is Stanley Gold for the great ride he got.

I hear ya. I guess I'm just looking for an explanation from someone at Gulfstream for this kind of stuff. At least with NYRA you get the stewards corner on their website that provides explanations for better or worse.

The ride he got yesterday was miles better than the one the horse got in his previous race. But don't we as bettors have a right to be mad when we get screwed like this?

Penalizing bettors in this manner is bad for the game. The game depends on asking people to solve puzzles in order to continue playing the game. When haphazzard calls deprive people from receiving the fruits of their hard work you only discourage people from playing. There was zero justice served by yesterday's call and plenty of unjust punishment.

He is reckless and doesn't care about what he could have done to others in the race. This was a warning shot across his bow. He cost Animal Kingdom and could have injured many more with his profound bull ring riding antics. His reputation precedes him. I have been mad as hell with many calls too. You never hear a peep though when it goes the other way. You live and die with what we get, some good, some bad.

But why punish the bettors? Couldn't they just give him days and leave the horse up?

That's what I say too when it works against me, blame the stewards. As players we suck it up and move on. What other choice do we have--none. I am sure there was a nice old lady who hit.

This would be an appropriate penalty IMO, but if you see the head on, I don't even think he deserves days.

Something tells me your opinion on this might be a little different if Liquidity Trap was the one DQ'd. Don't think you'd be so quick to "suck it up" had that happened.

Would you feel the same way if your son hadn't recieved a better placing?

I been down the road on many DQ's, I don't get all wrapped up in it like others do. If you play, you know what can happen. Nice try to derail the topic though. In fact, I didn't play the race.

I don't think it mattered to him, he didn't win the race, or was he going to. My son has nothing to do with placing, and he has walked away from some pretty bad calls. This is about a jockey who rides like a cowboy, and is going to get somebody hurt, but you and others don't care about that I see.

I agree about the jockey. I too did not have a wager on the outcome but this was a horrible takedown. The bettors were screwed by punishing the jockey, there has to be a better way. Leave the horse up, fine the jockey his portion of the purse plus $5000. And suspend him.

I can agree to that, the best horse got the shaft, and the public payed the price. But we all know this kind of thing happens in racing, everywhere. But we keep going back for more don't we.

Maybe when Vic has a minute he can review the race and tell you how he would have governed the objection. He is a pro

Not derailing the topic at all. You did that. The topic was the takedown. Not Maragh or his history in your opinion. You don't like Maragh. Great, no one cares.

I don't like being robbed, which is what happened here.

Your horse had a bad ride, I pointed it out. You brought my son into it. You gambled, you lost. Get it? You think you got robbed, I think you got what the track gave all the bettors. Maybe next time.

The ride was pretty good in fact. He received a bad ride in his previous race, which was what made him attractive to me. I was right. But I and others got robbed by incompetent stewards.

That's the issue. It's not about gambling and losing. It's about expecting some kind of competency by the people making these decisions because we are betting our money with the expectation that the decisions will be dealt with fairly.

Apparently that's too much to ask by you and we wonder why we as bettors we are treated like crap.

You think incompentent stewards only work in GP? They breed them. They are everywhere. Move on, it's not changing anytime soon.

If we ever have a commissioner for the sport, you should run.

So, let me get this straight, a horse was taken down yesterday because its rider has commited fouls, in high profile races no less, in the past....and bettors should ( be real men and ) suck it up?

That makes a lot of sense.

Hoss and BTW, Mister B is right about one thing. You guys need to move on.

Move on from arguing with someone who is hopelessly wrong.

It didn't cost me anything, but I'm still pissed about the Goldikova non take down.

its a shame that an owner, a trainer and many bettors lost out because of a riders reputation. there has to be a better way to deal with poor riding tactics. if the horse didnt lose a placing due to another jock, what justification can there be for a change in order? saying thats life is no explanation. its in everyones best interest that stewards get it right. there needs to be protocol and it needs to be followed, with consequences for incorrect calls.

Any other sport, an inexperienced athlete gets sent down to the minors to learn the game. There should be some sort of level of competence when riding horses in big circuits.

That would lead to 3 horse fields in KY, NY and Cali, and add to the already starving jocks at Beulah, Mountaineer, Zia Park ('sup Ken Tohill)

Kev, It sounds like the jockey colonies at your favorite tracks are about to get a lot better. :rolleyes:

As long as Jose Ferrer:mad::mad: stays the hell away from TBD, I don't give a rats bunghole who moves their tac.

I actually think Rajiv Maragh is a pretty good rider. He's made some really poor decisions in 2 races and luckily no one has been seriously injured as a result. But I feel as though that is the exception rather than the rule on him.

There are certainly better jockeys at these lower level tracks that would ride circles around jokes like Maylan Studart, Alonso Quinonez, Joe Steiner, Jose Espinoza, Jore Chavez, Agapito Delgadillo

I could ride better than 5 of the 6 you mentioned. I happen to like Quinonez on the turf.

I'm with you Quinonez, actually, on either surface.

Chavez and Jose Espinoza would clean up at a place like Tampa. Alonso Quinonez would win the riding title by a landslide. Delgadillo would be dangerous if they carded some 870 yd races.

I don't disagree with any of that, especially this year. Weakest colony in quite some time.