European Union Collapse Thread
 

It's going to happen in the foreseeable future. Then we're next. Our cousins know...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmG86...eature=related

That's why some don't want all those Occupy Wall Street people hanging around in the streets this winter. They are peaceful now, but there will be unhappy, jobless, homeless rioters and/or provocateurs that will change that (it helps - not - when asshats like Herman Cain announce publicly that the unemployed are that way only because they refuse to work)

It's the 1960's all over again. But with police kettling, not hoses and dogs. I was watching YouTubes of Kent State the other day.

"more of the same ... " - yes, that is what we are doing in America. He's right.

Yes and the Occupy Wall Street movement includes socialists, anarchists and tea partiers.

It's nice to see Americans waking up. Like this guy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCW-ZIPrBYY

Where have you seen Tea Partiers?

That man in the video is Jesse LeGreca, aka Ministry of Truth on Daily Kos. I think he's been awake for awhile.

Seeing as how the Wall Streeters are putting this up:



... I don't think they care too much about this protest.

Cocaine makes you bold.

Here's another LaGreca clip with less libtard talking points..

http://youtu.be/8qnGlQWKoXE

Oh this guy can't be a tea partier because he's not white. Gotta keep the libtard agenda of keeping us divided and headed towards a race war...

http://youtu.be/QxFquL7nKRM

More sh*it like this and the violence will start sooner then anticipated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=2PiXDTK_CBY

The anarchists, unions and liberal plants like acorn and moveon will justify violence in time over police brutality. Things will spiral out of control. A false flag terror attack will occur. Martial Law will be implemented. Elections cancelled. Emperor Obama.

There were actually 4-5 people dressed in tuxedo's and ball gowns drinking champagne in some sort of quasi counter protest across from the park last night.

It's not the race of the speaker that makes me skeptical about him being a conservative; it's his Che Guevara tshirt.

I still see no Tea Party members. If you have footage of them participating in the protest, please post it. I'm not saying you're wrong; I just haven't seen any. But, as the Tea Party is financed by the Koch Brothers, I'm skeptical.

Here's some video of the swells drinking champagne while they watch the protest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PiXDTK_CBY

I think this is the definition of "F*ck: we don't give one."

EDIT: Apologies to jms62- I didn't realize you'd posted the same video already!

This is true tea party beliefs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQow0Fhua1A

The kid is very educated and well spoken.

Well educated, well-spoken, and doesn't understand a thing about economics. But I can believe he aligns himself with the Tea Party, as the Koch Brothers would love to see the US back on the gold standard, as the only people who would benefit from it would be the ultra-rich. The rest of us would be driven even further in debt than we are now.

Here are two reasonably decent articles on the problems with the gold standard:

http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/149...andard/?page=1

A little long, but good.

http://www.slate.com/articles/busine...gold_rush.html

Shorter article about what would happen if we returned to the gold standard.

The Fed becomes an easy villain, but it was instituted to deal with the financial panics created by 19th century moguls' attempts to corner the market.

In fact, if this kid got his way on economics, the Wall Streeters he's protesting would have even more power than they do now.

Aside from the Gold Standard he sure makes some great points about feeding the War Machine.

I heard that, too. I just wish he wouldn't have said that thing about our only exports being tanks, etc., because it's so completely untrue and that kind of hyperbole doesn't help him make the valid point: that we spend too much on defense.

Get the f.uck out of here with crowbarring the Koch brothers into the tea party movement.

Contrary to popular libtard belief the Tea Party was started by Ron Paul supporters. Not RINO's like Palin who have infiltrated the party and been the focus from the mainstream media who is falling over backwards to censor and push Paul aside.

It's not going to work. Get f.ucked.

You're cute when you're all fired up. ;)

The Koch Brothers' Americans for Prosperity is a primary source of funding for a lot of these Tea Party rallies. I googled "Ron Paul started Tea Party" and there are indeed a lot of Ron Paul fans making the claim, so I won't dispute it. But, they claim it started in 2007, and I can't recall hearing anything about them in the mainstream media until early 2009 with that CNBC thing. So I would venture to say the Tea Party movement, if it was started by Ron Paul people, has since been purchased by the Koch brothers and the only reason it rose to national attention is that they financed it. And of course they aren't going to support Ron Paul; he opposes Defense spending.

Palin is better television than Paul. She's prettier, and she gives more entertaining sound bites. Of course the media is going to focus on her. It's the reason they're looking for anyone but Romney as the GOP hope- he's probably the most palatable to a general population, but he's boring TV.

EDIT: I should clarify- By "they" I mean the media.

Thank you. Everyone knows the Tea Party was immediately co-opted by two different GOP funding ops (Koch Brothers, Americans for Prosperity, etc.). Difference between "Tea Party Express" (Koch) vs. "Tea Party Patriots" (Amer. for Prosp), etc.

Agree that there were Paul people grass roots before that movement was co-opted and taken national by the GOP lobbyists. But everything in the past two years has been strict astroturf. The old folks that joined it with tricorn hats and dangling tea bags were used, pure and simple.

You are speaking from the mainstream media point of view. I assure you the Ron Paul sect is growing and still active. Whether the MSM Tards like it or not.

No, I'm speaking from the "the lobbyists said they did it" point of view.

The Ron Paul supporters have never had anything to do with the co-opted Republican Tea Party stuff, they have always been on their own. And yes, the Ron Paul guys had their own "Tea Party" before the GOP co-opted the meme from the Wall Street reporter on the floor of the exchange. The Ron Paul guys had it first, and have never been part of the GOP Angry American Tour for Cash and Votes.

This is Santilli's rant on TV, that started all those older white folks to jump on the wagon with their tricorn hats, and that is the movement that was co-opted by the Republican Party lobbyists ("Tea Party Patriots" and "Tea Party Express")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHbjenBMLno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQW4z...eature=related

The mainstream media point of view is the only one the vast majority of America sees, though.

The Ron Paul faction is never going to be any threat to the general GOP. They don't have the cash to take on the Koch Bros and they never will.

What do the Cock Brothers want to accomplish? Do they want to be able to deal directly with Iran and cut out the middleman? Real ****in Patriots.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...eTIL_blog.html

Which is a shame, because I admire Ron Paul (not Rand, not in the least, he's fake through and through) for his consistency of political view. If Ron ever stopped at the edge of the cliff, I'd consider voting for him, but unfortunately, over the years he's gone ahead and leaped off into crazy too many times for my support.

But I'd rather have Ron Paul and his views on issues on the national stage versus the Democrats than other of the current Republican candidates. He's the class of that poor field.

BTW, Perry attacked Mitt as a member of a religious cult today.

Actually, it was a Perry supporter who endorsed Perry at a Values Voters Summit, not Perry himself:

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=17572070

I agree with you about Paul. I'm wanting more of a left-libertarianism outlook on things. His tiptoeing around the abortion issue is for selfish reasons and he really needs to get over that God complex some of us were indoctrinated with.

At this point it doesn't matter. I truly believe we're headed for a total economic collapse far worse than the great depression. What rises from the ashes is anyone's guess but I AM WORRIED. It's just not looking good.

Yes, you're right: I saw where Perry enthusiastically took Jeffress (sp?) support at the VVS, including Jeffress walking around telling all the reporters that Mormonism is a cult at that very function, and no born-again Christian could vote for a cult - then Perry's campaign came out and said the Gov. doesn't think that.

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1...ard?via=blog_1

I agree with you. There was a piece awhile back comparing similarities between Rome at the end of its time as empire and the USA now (bloated military, foreign wars, etc) but I can't find it now.

I always enjoy your political posts, Coach, because I think you're very smart and I share your cynicism about a lot of things. And you're funny. My issue with Libertarianism is that, to me, it's one of those lines of thinking that depend on a belief that human beings are, at their core, honorable, and that given the chance, we'd all prefer to play on a level field. And I just don't think that's so. I think that, given the opportunity, most people who make it will gladly tilt the field and then pull the ladder up after themselves (apologies for the mixed metaphor). I think it's human nature.

I'm not saying the regulations we have now are the right ones, or even work well, largely because a lot of them are written by the very companies that are seeking to keep the ladder pulled up after them. It's one of the things that annoys me about Ayn Randites- a lot of them completely ignore that, in her magnum opus, one of the biggest villains was a crony capitalist, and that she would, were she around today, have huge contempt for the Jesus-heavy GOP- she hated Ronald Reagan- and the Wall Street/government relationship (yes, I confess; in my teens I read a lot of Ayn Rand. A lot). But even Rand had to compromise with the real world- she went on Medicare when she was older because she couldn't afford her medical bills. And she collected Social Security. And if real life could put a financial squeeze on her, what does it say about what it can do to the rest of us?

But I don't know what the solution is. I'm also really worried. We had a kid last year, and while he's the light and joy of my life, I sometimes wonder if bringing him into the world was a big mistake, because I don't have a lot of hope for what kind of a world he'll grow up into.

I agree about the big worry. Right now, I think our future is in hands of Merkel, the World Bank, the IMF. And no, I'm not encouraged.

I agree with that, regarding why Libertarianism doesn't seem to work in real life (although Ayn Rand's objectivism works pretty well when you rather think Wesley Mouch is Rush Limbaugh, Hank Reardon is more a Gates or Jobs or Buffett, and the hoardes are more the right wing evangelical types :D).

Additionally, we've removed pretty much all law enforcing human nature into a more equal playing field (hence the 2007-2008 crash).

Now Wall Street isn't about capitalizing strong sustainable business growth, it's about computer microtrading to get an extra cent out of trades. It's not about growing a strong business base and making money off that investment, it's about making money on the upswing or crashes, with no thoughts to the consequences of market direction.

When you have Wall Street firms taking the opposition market position than what they have sold to their customers, is anyone surprised at what our financial markets do? For god's sakes, these are the same people that wrapped up completely crap mortgage derivatives, lied and rated them AAA, then sold them to each other until the bottom fell out of that pyramid scheme.
Make sure everyone has a valid passport, because plenty of countries will be just fine if we go.

I had (or still have) a pdf that has a great comparison of both empires. I'll look for it.

I believe we're conditioned to be awful people. In some aspects we're still primates. Without stripping away hate, warfare, elitism, etc. we're never going to make it as a species.

I feel that about 80% of the population are followers. The other 19% consist of powerless critical thinkers that include a subset that are watching the 1% that are the elite globalist old money contingent.

If history has taught us anything is that these monsters in charge have little hesitation to put millions of lives at risk. All for more control, more land, more natural resources, more drugs, etc.

Libertarianism can work with proper tweaking. Diluting the power structure is key, IMHO. Social programs should be kept. All citizens should be well fed and educated. Foreign relations are nice but we cannot help others until we help ourselves.

Some may disagree but so be it. This country is near ruin.


The focus needs to be primarily on the federal reserve, the 6 major banks, and why Goldman Sachs is balls deep in all 3 branches of the federal government.

Don't worry. Learn how to can food. Look into a generator and how to install one yourself. Protect it from an EMP attack. Get lots of rice and salt.

I wish Alex Jones would go up against George Will and Peggy Noonan .... ugh, Nixon lives.

Here's some fun, those two on Amanpour's panel this AM, and they also talked a little to Jesse LaGreca about Occupy Wall Street.

These people are idiots, they haven't got a clue that OWS isn't going away, no matter how hard they try to diss it.

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video...tests-14699460

http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/octob...eckoning-47690

Americans only worry if football is interrupted.

hey, we have our priorities in order!!

its why we can afford a massive military, but not much else. that way, anytime things get low at home, we just spend a billion or trillion and bomb a sandy country to take everyones mind off the problems at home.
if that fails, we can always count on a congressional inquiry into such important things as steroids in baseball, or a playoff system instead of bowls.

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