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Kasept 09-30-2011 06:21 AM

10/1 (BEL): JCGC, Beldame, JHTC, Vosburgh, FlwrBwl (G1's), Kelso (G2)
 
5th (2:47) Flower Bowl Invitational S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (Inner turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 1 Deluxe Velazquez J R Mott William I 119 L 3-1
2 2 Dynaslew Nakatani C S Benzel Seth 119 L 10-1
3 3 Emerald Beech Solis A Sheppard Jonathan E 119 L 6-1
4 4 Aruna Prado E S Motion H Graham 119 L 5-1
5 5 Gitchee Goomie Garcia Alan Violette, Jr. R A 119 Blk-Off L 15-1
6 6 Distorted Legacy Maragh R Penna Angel Jr 119 L 20-1
7 7 Senada Velasquez C Tagg Barclay 119 L 20-1
8 8 Stacelita (FR) Dominguez R A Brown Chad C 123 L 6-5

Exacta, Trifecta, Super (.10), Pick 3 Races (5-7), Grand Slam Races (5-8) Daily Double Wagers



6th (3:22) Joe Hirsch Turf Classic Invitational S. (G1)

1 1/2 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 1 Cape Blanco (IRE) Spencer J P O'Brien Aidan P 126 L 4-5
2 2 Teaks North Castellano J J Sallusto Justin 126 L 8-1
3 3 Dean's Kitten Dominguez R A Maker Michael J 126 L 15-1
4 4 Mission Approved Maragh R Chatterpaul N 126 L 12-1
5 5 Winchester Velasquez C Clement Christophe 126 L 2-1
6 6 Grassy Velazquez J R Clement Christophe 126 L 10-1

Exacta, Trifecta, Pick 3 Races (6-8), Pick 6 (Races 6-11), Daily Double Wagers



7th (3:57) Vosburgh Invitational S. (G1)

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $350,000

1 4 Calibrachoa Maragh R Pletcher Todd A 124 L 10-1
1A 9 Caixa Eletronica Lezcano J Pletcher Todd A 124 L 10-1
2 1 Force Freeze Lopez P Walder Peter R 124 L 20-1
3 2 Apriority Solis A Fawkes David 124 L 12-1
4 3 Euroears Castellano J J Baffert Bob 124 L 4-1
5 5 Giant Ryan Velasquez C Parboo Bisnath 124 L 12-1
SCRATCHED
7 6 Justin Phillip Nakatani C S Asmussen Steven M 122 L 15-1
8 7 Trappe Shot Velazquez J R McLaughlin Kiaran P 124 L 9-5

A-Coupled: Calibrachoa and Caixa Eletronica

Exacta, Trifecta, Pick 3 Races (7-9) $500K Guaranteed Pick 4 (.50) Races (7-10), Daily Double Wagers



8th (4:33) Kelso H. (G2)

1 Mile | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 1 Jersey Town Velasquez C Tagg Barclay 119 L 9-2
2 2 Jackson Bend Nakatani C S Zito Nicholas P 121 L 5-2
3 3 Uncle Mo Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 117 L 4-5
4 4 Golddigger's Boy Elliott S Preciado Ramon 115 L 15-1
SCRATCHED

Exacta, Trifecta, Pick 3 Races (8-10), Daily Double Wagers



9th (5:06) Beldame Invitational S. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $350,000

1 1 Life At Ten Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 123 Blk-On L 8-1
2 2 Royal Delta Lezcano J Mott William I 120 L 9-5
3 3 Banker's Buy Nakatani C S Zito Nicholas P 123 L 20-1
4 4 Satans Quick Chick Prado E S Odintz Jeff 123 L 12-1
5 5 Havre de Grace Dominguez R A Jones J Larry 123 L 3-5

Exacta, Trifecta, Pick 3 Races (9-11), Daily Double Wagers



10th (5:46) Jockey Club Gold Cup S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000

2 1 Ice Box Nakatani C S Zito Nicholas P 126 L 12-1
3 2 Rodman Maragh R Hushion Michael E 126 L 8-1
4 3 Stay Thirsty Castellano J J Pletcher Todd A 122 L 8-5
5 4 Drosselmeyer Lezcano J Mott William I 126 L 6-1
6 5 A. U. Miner Borel C H Hanna Clark 126 L 10-1
1 6 Flat Out Solis A Dickey Charles L 126 L 7-5
1A 7 Birdrun Velazquez J R Mott William I 126 L 7-5

A-Coupled: Flat Out and Birdrun

Exacta, Trifecta, Daily Double Wagers

Kasept 09-30-2011 02:18 PM

ELMONT, N.Y. – Godolphin Racing’s Sangaree will be scratched from Saturday’s Grade 2 Kelso Handicap at Belmont after developing a cough, assistant trainer Rick Mettee said Friday. “He started coughing yesterday, and he continued this morning,” said Mettee of the 6-year-old son of Awesome Again, who was listed at 6-1 on the morning line for the one-mile Kelso. “It’s too bad, because we were looking forward to running him.” Mettee said Sangaree would most likely now be pointed to the Grade 3, seven-furlong Bold Ruler at Belmont on October 29. Sangaree is winless in five starts this year, most recently finishing second by a neck to Rule in the Birdstone overnight stakes at Saratoga Race Course.

TouchOfGrey 09-30-2011 02:34 PM

Is this more of the same illness that's been going around the backstretch?

Kasept 09-30-2011 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey (Post 808587)
Is this more of the same illness that's been going around the backstretch?

Probably. Tons of horses sick. That time of year.

Kasept 09-30-2011 04:47 PM

Big Drama a SCR from Vosburgh..
 
David Fawkes will scratch BIG DRAMA from Saturday's Vosburgh with the defending Breeders' Cup Sprint winner having gotten sick after flying in to New York from Miami..

Fawkes will consider next week's Ancient Title for Big Drama, but is leaning towards training up to the November 6 Cup defense. Big Drama will return to his Calder base as soon as he well enough to travel.

Fawkes will still be represented in the Vosburgh by Apriority.

Cannon Shell 09-30-2011 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 808612)
David Fawkes will scratch BIG DRAMA from Saturday's Vosburgh with the defending Breeders' Cup Sprint winner having gotten sick after flying in to New York from Miami..

Fawkes will consider next week's Ancient Title for Big Drama, but is leaning towards training up to the November 6 Cup defense. Big Drama will return to his Calder base as soon as he well enough to travel.


Fawkes will still be represented in the Vosburgh by Apriority.

So he is too sick from travel to run this weekend but may run next wek in CA?
Is this similar to we are "considering" breeding Someoneloves you to Encosto de Lago on Southern Hemisphere time next month?

Same chance of it happening

Kasept 09-30-2011 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 808617)
So he is too sick from travel to run this weekend but may run next wek in CA?
Is this similar to we are "considering" breeding Someoneloves you to Encosto de Lago on Southern Hemisphere time next month?

Same chance of it happening

LOL.. He's not 'super sick'. Just the usual off the plane sick. Fawkes doesn't want to go to Ancient Title at all, but owner asked/pressed about it, and he mentioned it to me. Fawkes will go back to Calder with him and train up. Was very annoyed that he didn't van him like he normally does. Thought to fly and gets this as a thank you.

Cannon Shell 09-30-2011 05:42 PM

Consider it

http://truenicks.com/free-reports/hy...Number=7157094

pointman 09-30-2011 06:27 PM

FYI, it has been pouring rain on Long Island for the better part of the last hour or so, dumped a lot of rain. Expect wet conditions tomorrow.

freddymo 09-30-2011 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 808627)



I would consider Hussonet if you are heading South.. If you are heading to South Pa. Albert the Great

I see My Flag final has one that will make the races shortly called Raise the Flag...Hasili had a foal from Sadlers that had the same name in 05, How is that for a regal double

Coach Pants 10-01-2011 06:15 AM

Leave Churchill, Keeneland, Saratoga and Belmont open and run them about 100 days total and split the dates. Starve the cowards.

Kasept 10-01-2011 11:30 AM

With the SCR from the Flower Bowl, ARUNA will go in the Spinster..

Dahoss 10-01-2011 03:19 PM

Jaime Spencer tried really, really hard to get Cape Blanco beat. He sucks.

Kasept 10-01-2011 03:31 PM

Giant Ryan team told BC's Jim Gluckson they will pay the $100k to get the Vosburgh winner into the program to contest the Sprint.

Kasept 10-01-2011 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 808752)
Jaime Spencer tried really, really hard to get Cape Blanco beat. He sucks.

:$:

Kasept 10-01-2011 03:41 PM

Nice effort by Uncle Mo, but I'm curious what Nakatani's plan was exactly on Jackson Bend?

tjfla 10-01-2011 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 808760)
Nice effort by Uncle Mo, but I'm curious what Nakatani's plan was exactly on Jackson Bend?

Whatever the plan was failed and doubt he gets a call back on Jackson Bend

outofthebox 10-01-2011 03:55 PM

JV rode the tractor rut the whole way around. Which left Nakatani his only option to skim the rail and try and surprise JV.. Ended up not having enough horse. No shame getting beat by Mo in 33 4/5 under one back handed whip.

pointman 10-01-2011 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by outofthebox (Post 808764)
JV rode the tractor rut the whole way around. Which left Nakatani his only option to skim the rail and try and surprise JV.. Ended up not having enough horse. No shame getting beat by Mo in 33 4/5 under one back handed whip.

His move was also more premature than Newbomb Turk's with Fran Drescher in Hollywood Knights.

Kasept 10-01-2011 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 808752)
Jaime Spencer tried really, really hard to get Cape Blanco beat. He sucks.

Jamie Spencer, tweeting from Belmont...

JPSPENCER1980JamieSpencer So chuffed with Cape Blanco, show me a tougher horse and I'll call u a liar! Go steady

helicopter11 10-01-2011 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 808752)
Jaime Spencer tried really, really hard to get Cape Blanco beat. He sucks.

Horse probably did not like the surface today. I would not blame Spencer as he really worked hard to get this horse cross the finish line.

Dahoss 10-01-2011 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helicopter11 (Post 808767)
Horse probably did not like the surface today. I would not blame Spencer as he really worked hard to get this horse cross the finish line.

Didn't look like any of them liked the surface. But Spencer moved prematurely. It never should have been that close. He worked hard because he moved so early.

Again, he sucks.

helicopter11 10-01-2011 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 808760)
Nice effort by Uncle Mo, but I'm curious what Nakatani's plan was exactly on Jackson Bend?

Not sure if he could have anything different to make it even close. Fast pace, closed fast and fell short

MaTH716 10-01-2011 04:16 PM

I noted it in the play along thread, Spencer's move was awful. He single handily almost got Cape Blanco beat.

Nakatani's was another bizarre move, just horribly timed.

To the connections of Life at Ten, the blinkers didn't work. She's just not the same horse as she was pre-BC last year. Please retire her, she's done enough.

helicopter11 10-01-2011 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 808769)
Didn't look like any of them liked the surface. But Spencer moved prematurely. It never should have been that close. He worked hard because he moved so early.

Again, he sucks.

He probably did move prematurely but I would not rack it up that he sucks. He is not a regular rider at Belmont. You could have said the same thing about Dominguez since he had every chance to get by.

Kasept 10-01-2011 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helicopter11 (Post 808774)
Not sure if he could have anything different to make it even close. Fast pace, closed fast and fell short

You don't need to make your move on the turn like that at Belmont. It takes great energy from the horse and almost never works. And to then try to stay inside assured a loss of momentum if they couldn't get through, and bingo. I don't think Jackson Bend beats Uncle Mo anyway, but he was excellent again today and not necessarily used to best advantage by Nakatani.

outofthebox 10-01-2011 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman (Post 808765)
His move was also more premature than Newbomb Turk's with Fran Drescher in Hollywood Knights.

Visually it looked premature. If he sits and waits he still runs second. Either way he was not going to win the way the track is playing. I'm sure Zito and Nakatani knew they had to be within striking distance for them to have a chance at beating Mo.
Royal Delta faced the same problem later on. They tried to stay with HDG early on and she lost her punch but was good enough to be second best.

outofthebox 10-01-2011 04:25 PM

Only question now is Life at Ten going to take another shot at the BC?

MaTH716 10-01-2011 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by outofthebox (Post 808784)
Only question now is Life at Ten going to take another shot at the BC?

Why, they are going to have an optional 50k claimer on the undercard that she's going to run in?

Dahoss 10-01-2011 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helicopter11 (Post 808777)
He probably did move prematurely but I would not rack it up that he sucks. He is not a regular rider at Belmont. You could have said the same thing about Dominguez since he had every chance to get by.

He has a long history of blowing rides in this country for making premature or just boneheaded moves. Instead of just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing take a look at why it was so close.

Why am I even wasting my time on something so obvious?

PatCummings 10-01-2011 04:54 PM

Remember Brian Pochman's visit on ATR in May, coming on before the big weekend at Lone Star, talking about how all the horsemen they talked to about going to the LSP Handicap were wondering if Flat Out was going...when he was a horse who really hadn't accomplished anything???

Indian Charlie 10-01-2011 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 808760)
Nice effort by Uncle Mo, but I'm curious what Nakatani's plan was exactly on Jackson Bend?

At first I thought WTF too.

Then I reconsidered. As much as I cannot stand Nak, I think he rode the race that gave him his only chance of winning. No way he could possibly have won with Mo saying loose like that. Not that he was going to win anyways, but at least that ride gave him a small hope that Mo might fold when challenged.

Indian Charlie 10-01-2011 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 808778)
You don't need to make your move on the turn like that at Belmont. It takes great energy from the horse and almost never works. And to then try to stay inside assured a loss of momentum if they couldn't get through, and bingo. I don't think Jackson Bend beats Uncle Mo anyway, but he was excellent again today and not necessarily used to best advantage by Nakatani.

True enough I suppose. I'll stand by my belief though that Nak thought he was giving his horse his best chance of winning.

All in all, I'll give JB credit. He ran a huge race. Of the races I saw today, his was the best, most surprising performance.

I also think Stay Thirsty ran a bigger race than I expected. I figured him not hitting the board.

It was stunning seeing Flat Out not being the heavy favorite.

Dahoss 10-01-2011 06:26 PM

After seeing how poorly Blind Luck ran today and considering she also missed whatever race over the summer they were going to run in, you have to give Havre De Grace a lot of credit. She came back from that grueling Delaware race and has run two very sharp races.

Kasept 10-01-2011 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 808822)
I also think Stay Thirsty ran a bigger race than I expected. I figured him not hitting the board.

It was stunning seeing Flat Out not being the heavy favorite.

As in the Travers, Stay Thirsty looked like he was backing up on the turn, but once again when asked and hard ridden, he responded to persevere. He's an interesting horse.

Andy tweeted too about Flat Out being shockingly underbet. The Scooter factor?

MaTH716 10-01-2011 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 808821)
At first I thought WTF too.

Then I reconsidered. As much as I cannot stand Nak, I think he rode the race that gave him his only chance of winning. No way he could possibly have won with Mo saying loose like that. Not that he was going to win anyways, but at least that ride gave him a small hope that Mo might fold when challenged.

It didn't matter because I don't think JB was winning either (especially with no one challing Uncle Mo early), but the problem I have with the move was that when he almost made the lead they still had a quarter of a mile to go. That was in a 23.2 quarter where Jackson Bend probably ran 22.3 making up about 5 lengths. What could of he really had for the stretch at that point? I just think that they would have better off served waiting until they got into the lane to try to get Mo. Maybe he would have gotten lazy and not seen him coming or JV could have ended up on the rail. The result probably would have been the same, but I just thinking that going after him late would have been better than going after him with still a quarter left to run.

OldDog 10-01-2011 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 808832)
Andy tweeted too about Flat Out being shockingly underbet. The Scooter factor?

Possibly. Funny how ESPN's people were wondering if they could get Scooter back on after talking to Harrington. I'd love to hear Scooter on ATR Monday, but doubt he'd have a lot more to say than what we heard this evening! Old school, man of few words. But when he was speechless, my eyes almost got wet. Maybe his wife will come on ATR with him? :D

Indian Charlie 10-01-2011 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 808832)
As in the Travers, Stay Thirsty looked like he was backing up on the turn, but once again when asked and hard ridden, he responded to persevere. He's an interesting horse.

Andy tweeted too about Flat Out being shockingly underbet. The Scooter factor?

I don't think a lot of Stay Thirsty. He seems like a grinder to me. I've seen grinders like him run like that. He's a horse with no acceleration!

As for Flat Out. I guess it's the Pletcher vs Scooter factor. Stay Thirsty has been the hype horse of the summer.

I found it amusing that off of a single grade 1 win and the grade 2 win that people were making into a grade 1, that he was being touted as the top 3yo.

Indian Charlie 10-01-2011 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 808842)
It didn't matter because I don't think JB was winning either (especially with no one challing Uncle Mo early), but the problem I have with the move was that when he almost made the lead they still had a quarter of a mile to go. That was in a 23.2 quarter where Jackson Bend probably ran 22.3 making up about 5 lengths. What could of he really had for the stretch at that point? I just think that they would have better off served waiting until they got into the lane to try to get Mo. Maybe he would have gotten lazy and not seen him coming or JV could have ended up on the rail. The result probably would have been the same, but I just thinking that going after him late would have been better than going after him with still a quarter left to run.

As a rather lunatic fan of anything sired by Indian Charlie, I was glad JB made that move so that Uncle Mo would get something out of the race.

I agree that premature move or late move, it wouldn't have mattered in the end, but I don't think it was even slightly possible for JB to have won the race considering all of the race dynamics, had he waited later to move.

Coach Pants 10-02-2011 12:39 PM

Looking at the stakes results it's no wonder why people play slots instead. Of course you're dealing with a sport full of yokels who've lost their competitive spirit and plan their campaigns like an overprotective mother. No wonder why these top horses are so garbage.

Ducking Uncle Mo? There really isn't much hope for the future if that's happening.


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