9/18 (WO): Woodbine Mile, Northern Dancer (G1's), Canadian (G2)
 

8th (4:34) Northern Dancer Turf S. (G1)

1 1/2 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Hotep Wilson E 119 L
2 Bourbon Bay Talamo J 123 L
3 Hailstone Leparoux J R 119 L
4 Wigmore Hall (IRE) Spencer J P 123 L
5 Simmard Husbands P 119 L
6 Seaside Retreat Contreras L 119 L
7 Laureate Conductor Stein J 119 L
8 Al Khali Garcia Alan 121 L



10th (5:42) Ricoh Woodbine Mile S. (G1)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Hollinger Pizarro T 117 L
2 Forte Dei Marmi (GB) Velazquez J R 117 FTL
3 Woodbourne Wilson E 117 L
4 Courageous Cat Valenzuela P A 124 L
5 Right One (FR) Gomez G K 119 L
6 Grand Adventure Husbands P 119 L
7 Riding the River Dos Ramos R A 117 L
8 Turallure Leparoux J R 121 L
9 Side Glance (GB) Fortune J 119
10 Kara's Orientation Ramsammy E 121 L
11 Dance And Dance (IRE) Spencer J P 117 FTL
12 Court Vision Albarado R J 121 L

He's a nice and improving horse... hard to tell just how good is he but that last win (over Dance and Dance, in fact) was really exciting. (Of course it was just a G3 but even though this is a pretty ambitious spot he could jump up).

My sentimental pick is Woodbourne (and Musketier in the Northern Dancer) but alas... it is early still.

Can't wait!

Stupid question,but what is the point of bringing over a horse to run from Europe(that is BC Nominated) then when they Win a Win and IN races,the trainer says he is not gonna run?

I understand that it is a big money race(which is why they brought them) but why not just keep the horse in the states another month and run them if they are nominated and automatically are in.

That's not a stupid question at all and yeah I'd like to know.

Are there quarantine issues?

Anyone have insight?

Doesn't Woodbine pay for all expenses to ship, board, etc? Don't think the BC does.

The Breeders' Cup doesn't mean the same thing to the rest of the world as it does to those based here. Others around the world prioritize top races differently.

Not sure of the details, but it may have something to do with quarantine regulations. I believe that's why Master of Hounds, for example, was required to go back to Europe between the Derby and Belmont.

I understand the quaratine issues,I am just trying to figure out why they bring them over for 1 race AND before the race even starts the trainer says well he/she won't run in the BC???

If you are nominated and Win the Win and You are in race,I think you should have to run(unless injured)in the BC race. It would probably take away from the quality of that race but would make the BC race alot better.

If u win the Woodbine Mile,doesnt the BC pay for that horse to come over? I have no problem if a horse from Europe runs 2nd and says no thanks. My problem is if u come over for a Grade 2 in Canada why not come over for a Grade 1,which they are paying U to run in!!

5th (2:59) Canadian S. (G2)

About 1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Perfect Shirl Husbands P 119 L
2 Fantasia (GB) Maragh R 119 L
3 Magic Broomstick Wilson E 113 L
4 Mekong Melody (IRE) Velazquez J R 119
5 Forest Uproar Moreno O 113 L
6 Bay to Bay Contreras L 121 L
7 Woolly Bear Dos Ramos R A 113 L
8 Shared Account Prado E S 121 L
9 Never Retreat Leparoux J R 121 L
10 Hooh Why Pizarro T 113 L
11 Miss Keller (IRE) Gomez G K 119 L
12 Apple Charlotte Russell S 113 L
13 Zagora (FR) Castellano J J 124 L
14 Stars to Shine Buick W 115 L

I'm wondering what happened to Musketier. He worked yesterday -- 5 furlongs in 1:05.

Poor guy... I hope he'll be okay.

Attfield, looking for his first Northern Dancer score, has Simmard but Musketier, who was scheduled to represent the barn, has been sidelined.

“He colicked last night,” said Attfield, on Thursday morning.“He’s in a holding pattern now, at the clinic. They’re hoping they don’t have to operate.

“He’s had soundness issues but he’d never had a sick day in his life, since I’ve had him.”.

http://www.drf.com/news/woodbine-fro...-sunday-stakes

Damn. I hope he pulls through. Thanks for the link.

I'm pulling for #7 Riding the river in the Mile. He'll be a huge longshot. Like Dave Cotey; these are the same connections who ran then sold Mine that Bird after his Grey stakes win. I'm sure they would have loved to win the Derby but they did alright by him.

Good luck!

Wow the Canadian is just a fantastic betting race.

I'm going to try to just focus on Woodbine this weekend. This is what i have so far... (cause I know you all wanna know). :rolleyes: :D

Sat...

R8, Candy Bull
R9, Making Amends
R10, (my lock) Artie Hot

Sunday...

R5 (Canadian)...3,7,10 (no really.. Magic Broomstick, Woolly Bear, Hooh Why)/2,3 4 6 7,10,11,12,13,14

R8 (Northern Dancer)...
Wigmore Hall, Hotep exacta box
tri...4/1/2,5
(Wigmore Hall to win even though the odds will be nada)

The Mile... going back and forth with Side Glance and Right One so at this point if nothing else will throw both on top of a tri and use Woodbourne (sentimental win bet) and Grand Adventure with Hollinger, Courageous Cat, and Court Vision underneath. Will probably play Side Glance to win as well.

Good luck everyone and apologies in advance cause if for some reason Woodbourne manages to upset the alignmnet of the planets and wins? You all will hear me screaminbg from wherever you are.

They're running the TVG Woodbine coverage on Sports South. Woodbine Mile about to go...

I know Woodbine is sooo progressive, good for bettors blah blah blah. But can someone explain to me why they place big races so poorly on their cards? It can't be a good idea to break up the big stakes with these terrible claimers/Ontario bred races. An all-stakes PK3 would generate way more handle.

Quite a ride by Jaime Spencer on Dance and Dance. It was like he tried to find trouble.

I was just saying that to myself. Wow that was awful.

People like me, who rarely play Woodbine unless its a big race like today will only focus on the three major stakes races. Since its spread out from race 5 to race 10, I am forced to handicap 6 to 8 races if I am playing the pick4. and rolling pick 3s. If they had put the races together back to back to back I will only handicap 3-5 races. On track, the people will stick around longer to watch all 3 stakes races 3 hours as opposed to 1.5 hours with 3 big races together.

Or people won't want to or won't feel comfortable handicapping those races and therefore won't play as much. That's how it is for me at least, and I play Woodbine a lot. Why take a few very attractive wagers and spread them out into more barely attractive wagers? I really don't think you're increasing handle that way.

Congrats to anyone who did well today.

Thrilled Wigmore Hall had such a nice win but basically as far as capping I sucked big time.

I think Woodbourne was last...

Oh well.

Saw this and thought of you...

http://www.tripledeadheat.ca/2011/09...-and-into.html

You should contact Jim Bannon and ask him about this. He's one of racing's good guys and I imagine he could offer you their perspective.

Dance and Dance was a very unfortunate loser in the Mile. Of course, I bet on him and that probably had something to do with it.

I might do that - thanks. What's your take on it?

I don't think it's appropriate for me to criticize other racetracks publically, and given Woodbine's overall high level of competence, I would ( at the very least ) give them the benefit of the doubt. I doubt it was a random decision.

Fair enough. . . and I agree with the "overall high level of competence" part.

Mountainman would.

Please post thier response for us

So poorly? It CAN'T be a good idea? All stakes P3 = WAY more handle?

Woodbine generated record handle for Sunday's Woodbine Mile card (been running since 1997). The way I see it, the split gives you a reason to pay attention to the claimers/Ontario breds. If it was only an all-stakes p3, you know exactly when to tune in.

They are a progressive organization and I guarantee you they have run the projections for keeping all the stakes together versus keeping them separate, and discounting the handle differences. They are that good.

So they're the only track brilliant enough to come up with this? I think Belmont should card their big races Oct. 1 as 1,3,5,7,9,11 and sprinkle in $10K claimers. Look, I really like Woodbine's product - they have good turf racing and competitive 2-year-olds. . . maybe if others are forced to they'll look at an Ontario-bred claimer on Polytrack and up their handle, but personally, it just forces me to skip races or not play vertical wagers. If a track lures me in because they have some nice stakes, a bait and switch like that just isn't going to work. . . I guess I'm the only one.

Got a response from Woodbine. . . going to ask if I can post it here.

Not alone, I ducked the Pk-3 from the Dancer on through too. I prefer the stakes running in order, just my opinion. No doubt they have been successful and I still played up there but no vertical either.

Dance and Dance Shadwell Mile bound. . . Will probably be the wiseguy horse of the century, but I assume Gio and Get Stormy will be there to take money.

You aren't. I avoided the pick 4 because of it.

I am so confused.

A couple of you who I respect are talking about Dance and Dance and I was wondering if you could tell me something (and I don't mean this in a rude way).

Why?

It's not you, it's me and I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing here...

I completely blew just about everything on Sunday. Really really awful day as far as wagering but I look at this horse and I'm lost.

His pps go back as far as his 23rd place finish at Ascot.

In his 15 runs prior to those on his pps he won three times, was 2nd 5 and 3rd twice. Not that this means anything at all cause I am obviously no expert but there was not a single horse I had ever heard of looking at the fields (although there was one with the unfortunate name of Reject which I just thought I'd mention for absolutely no reason). :D

It sems like that very nice 2nd to Side Glance was the best field he ever beat home (but then you look at who was there and for example 10 YO Mac Love who I really like was 33/1 and making his 73rd start... hardly something to write home about)

I wish Mr. Vaughan well (I think the only runner he has that I've ever heard of is Little Book who has yet to win but she's just a baby).

Soooo can one of you tell me why, at this point, you even care where his next start will be?

That sounded rude and pissy and I am sorry... I don't mean for it to.

Dance and Dance seemed loaded turning for home and Spencer found himself in no mans land. He finally yanked him towards the rail too late. He's definitely a play back in the Shadwell Mile.

I'm one of a few that feel that Spencer has received some unjustified criticism for his rides in the U.S.. He's a top jock and racing fans can't get over his ride on Antonious Pius in the '04 Mile (Singletary). He didn't get any credit for his G1 wins aboard Cape Blanco (Manhattan & Arlington Million) or Wigmore Hall (Northern Dancer).

To be honest, I'm not really concerned where his next start is going to be as I think yesterday was the day to have him (thanks Jaime Spencer).

But the reason I played him yesterday was I wasn't really crazy about any of the American horses minus Courageous Cat. In hindsight I definitely overlooked Turrallure, which was a mistake, although it took a flawless ride for him to get home.

I thought Dance and Dance's last was definitely good enough to win this and although it might seem a bit elementary I like the fact he was facing huge fields overseas. He beat home 26 others three back at Ascot, 17 others at Epsom and 16 others at York. In a field where I thought our horses weren't much I wanted to take a shot with a Euro with pretty good form guessing he might be good enough to win.