Dutrow Filly - Four Races In 12 Days
 

Indian Tale, a 3-year-old filly by Tale of the Cat who ran four times at Saratoga over a 12-day period and most recently was eased while finishing last in an Aug. 18 starter allowance on the turf, has been placed on the stewards list. The Rick Dutrow-trained filly will not be eligible to race in New York until she has a public workout to the satisfaction of the stewards.

Dutrow and owner J.W. Singer LLC claimed Indian Tale for $35,000 on Aug. 7 from Carlos Martin and Flying Zee Stables. She finished second that day, beaten a head, in a 5 1/2-furlong dirt sprint originally scheduled for turf. That was her fourth career start, following a maiden win at Aqueduct last November, an allowance race at Gulfstream Park in April, and a stakes at Belmont Park in June.

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http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ra...es-in-12-days/

What a bunch of PC nonsense.

"to the satisfaction of the stewards" ... is this like some spinoff of a vets list?


She's by Tale of the Cat out of an A. P. Indy mare -- she's made over 80K in her first five dirt races -- she's run multiple Beyer's in the 80's as a 3yo filly.

I've heard more than one of these ladies mention about how they hope this horse "finds a good home" and doesn't end up in a kill pen. :zz:

It's a race horse -- it got bounced around in a soft turf race when it was eased. Big freaking deal.

He ran Reptilian Smarts back on short rest a ton of times - some horses can do that....I wouldn't read too much into it

I'm pretty much with you guys. At least he runs his horses. But, that 4th race might not have been the best decision. Easy to say that now, but feels like he went to the well one too many times.

4 races in 12 days? That's not excessive? :rolleyes:

Maybe, but she ran first and second in the two prior starts while stepping up in class. It wasn't like he dropped her in for 20k and she was eased. It still was a starter allowance (where she caught a turf course that was labeled good). Was it excessive? Probably, but like Hoss said it's easier to say that now. I want to believe that it's a bigger deal than it should be just because it's Dutrow.

Ding! Winner!

I'm no fan of Dutrow but the horse seemed fine and competitive in the 2 starts under his care - the 3rd, well the horse was eased, but was fine and walked back to the barn with no noticeable issues and did not require an ambulance - there is no evidence at all to suggest the reason was a result of the quick turnaround - that is nothing but random speculation and typical Paulick sh.it-stirring with no evidence to back any of it up...

Matt - you're point is spot on - they never ran this horse once to drop and cut - short of the 75k tag that they knew no one would touch her for, and then two protected starts which suggests to me that the connections know they got a great deal and wanted to protect this one.

Sorry if I choose see the glass half full - but the OMG MEANY HORSEY GUY witch hunt bullsh.it is unfounded in my opinion.

As an FYI, under NY claiming rules, they couldn't drop the filly until the thirty-day "jail" period expires (meaning that they have to run her for at least 25% above the claiming price for the first thirty days after the claim).

Look at Saratoga's Facebook page and the comedy I got myself involved with. Talking common sense to some of these people is just impossible

I can only wish horses ran 4 times in 12 days, isnt that how it was in the good ol days?

Now we have slow, brittle, babied thoroughbreds who can barely run over a Mile

Yup and after the first win for 75, they could have dropped to 50 if their plan was to use up the horse and cut - the fact that they chose two protected conditions just further illustrates the point that this horse has value and there wasn't some insidious plan to ruin it by running it back quickly...

ahh the good ol days! It was even better when 3yr olds would run in the wood,bluegrass, derby trial then the KY Derby

Dont blame the horses they cant enter themselves. Blame the people like owners many to whom win percentage means everything (more starts=lower win percentage) and trainers that have 6 horses for each condition and convince everyone that they all need 6 weeks between starts. Blame racing secretaries who bend over backwards to help those who least need helping. Blame TVG/HRTV/95% racing press who slobber all over themselves praising the "Spacing races" crew. Monkey see, Monkey do.

I got your back homie.

This poor friggen horse made 341 starts in a span of just six years.

That's an AVG of 56.83 starts a year for six straight years!






We all know that it's speed that wins horse races and it's precocity that attracts buyers ... so the iron plodders getting fazed out plays a role on the toughness of the breed over time.

But, if a race horse could handle 341 starts in six years a hundred years ago -- what's 4 races in 12 days with a sound horse to a magician like Dutrow?

Adjusted for inflation -- $35,975 from 1899 would equal $930,096 today. Nice coin - for a plodder.

So you mean to tell me its only going to get worse then

From a race spacing standpoint, was Frankel really the first big one to do it with regularity? "Do it" as in terms of the way everyone does it now?

Yes, but the real question is...


















































Did he have a good home?

He was forced to live out his days banging "common mares" in Upper Mexico ...

so ...

I'd have to say no.

Just read that exchange.

Oh my god.

I had a nice laugh that the person you were arguing with's profile picture is her and her bottle of Aqua Net hairspray.

On one hand, as you said, you have to admire their thought. But most of them are so ignorant about what really goes on that it ruins it. Then again, these are the same people that talk to horses on their facebook pages as if the horses are logging in and reading them.

I should have known better to even get involved, but I saw the Calzone Prince starting some **** on the NYRA page and I had to start.

Plus, I really believe what I'm saying, they have no business trying to tell people when to run a horse or not run a horse, especially one that was hitting the board. I would actually agree with them probably if the horse was entered in another turf race. What I found hilarious is when I talked about 'enhancing a horse's performance' it completely flew over their head.

I didn't post anything on the NYRA page --- just got into cat fights about it on the pages of two seperate female friends on my friends list ... both of them were tremendously comical!

Oh My God

It's amazing what people with not clue whatsoever involve themselves with

No less than Man O' War himself started his career on June 6th, then ran back on the 9th, then the 21st, then the 23rd, then the 5th of July. He started his career with 5 races inside 4 weeks.
He was then rested until early August. In August he ran on the 2nd, 13th, 23rd and 30th. After his loss in the Sanford, (Aug 13) he wasn't sent to the farm, seen by a battalion of vets or handwalked for 6 weeks. He was back in 10 days and never lost again.

How about Old Rosebud, who ended his career with 40 wins from 80 (!) starts. At two he ran in early FEB and early MAR. He was rested and shipped from Juarez to KY where he ran 6 times in May, including starts on the 1st, 17th (layoff?) 19th, 23rd, 26th and 31st. This clearly knocked him for a loop as he only raced 3 times in June. All this was in his 2yo year. Too bad he was ruined and could only go 2 for 3 at 3 including an 8 length win in the Derby. (He was up the track in the Withers, at the time a VERY important race and then was off for almost 3 years but he came back and raced 'til age 11.)

Here are a few are the claw scratching comments I recieved:


Yes -- Lori -- this daughter of Tale of the Cat out of an A. P. Indy mare who made over 80K in her first five dirt races and has run multiple Beyer's in the 80's as a 3yo filly .... surely no one will want her. She is either going to come live with me in Erie or "get a captive bolt to the brain" ... the latter probably being the more humane option.

Why are you ducking her question about your dog fighting connections? :rolleyes:

The game is on the verge of collapse.

The NY politicians are already trying to get their hands on the NYRA franchise (again) before the 1st slot machine is even plugged in
The KY politicians are completely on the take and the KHRA is trying its best to do as much internal damage as possible.
IL racing is getting a stay of execution but the Gov is an idiot and will probably kill the slots bill which means that after the current money runs out...CDI will be looking to sell
IN racing is a 6 month a year mirage that will soon see the state take more of their money. Unlike some other racino states the horseman/breeders aren't very strong polticially
MD racing is relying on Stronach...need I say more?
CA racing is dying a slow, contentious death.
NJ racing is on a 5 year lease with an openly hostile Gov who is firmly in the pocket of Atlantic City
How long can FL racing maintain? Racing at Calder is surely on the chopping block as soon as CDI can dump it. GP is a stronach track. Tampa is great for everyone but the people paying to put on the show. How much longer can that last?
TX racing is dead
LA racing is the definition of regional.
Racing in PA is run at 3 tracks owned by 3 different companies that are actively trying to marginalize racing as much as they can (and aren't even trying to hide it) and will move to eliminate it using the putrid growth as evidence why. Do you really think Penn National gaming (a billion dollar casino company) is stupid enough to not realize the takeout levels are ridiclous?
Racing in OH is beyond minor league and slipping
Racing in WV is fine as long until some libtard attacks the coal business again and the state loots the tracks slot money to pay for something that the reduction in tax revenues doesn't.
Racing in WA and OR is already fairly pointless
Racing in VA is hardly solid
Racing in MA is one step above the fairs which dont even exist anymore
Management at Delaware Park eliminated a $150k stake and didn't even bother to tell anyone. They would be very happy to close up shop and just be a casino/golf course

So the JClub commissions a $2 million dollar study and they tell us we need facebook, rebates and network tv.

Uh yeah it is going to get worse...because the only survivors will be the worst "spacing" offenders...maybe...

He was the first to promote it as a sucessful strategy. Around the same time Scott Lake was proclaiming his wild and unexpected sucess was due to trainers "overtraining" their horses. So the guy winning grade 1's every week and the leading claiming trainer were basically saying that their success was largely due to other trainers overracing and overtraining their horses. As I said, Monkey see, Monkey do. Their are a lot of monkeys in this business.

:tro::$:

holy eight belles?? good lord.

Mark Shuman?

Mark Shuman what?

Lake would run his horses -- he just wouldn't train them much I guess... just leave them in the stall and inject away they'd say.

Lake was absolutely miserable with routers. His ROI numbers in routes were totally brutal from a massive sample size.

With speed sprinters -- he was a God.

Dutrow has Slevin entered back on Fri in a tough Opt/75. Let the crying begin.