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Discreet Cat to stay in US
With Electrocusionist gone I hope they leave Discreet Cat in the US for the BC Classic they are claiming he can't go a mile and a quarter but if be can come a tik off the track record going 7 under wraps off a layoff why not stretch him out after the Jerome ANY THOUGHTS, or does anyone know if they have another horse already for the Classic
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In the DRF before there was an article where there racing manager had said that but I am on DISCREET CATS WAGON going a mile and a quarter:D
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I think Discreet Cat is fragile. I cant see them running him in the Classic off a 7F and then an 8F race. The Cigar Mile and the Dubai race are clearly their target. I doubt the Classic means that much to them. Bernardini is going to be retired at the end of the year. He is going to be their sire that puts them in the KY Derby picture for the next decade. A Classic win for him would mean more.
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Uh... when you win the Preakness, Jim Dandy, and Travers by open lengths, pretty much eased up it aint hype anymore. |
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well im a fan of both but dini is the goods and ive spent some time with him....he will have to be challanged by some one ...but who....im not doing the pritty horseie deal...just imo hes the best horse in training...
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If it were so easy to run off with the Preakness because Barbaro broke down ... and to run off with a paceless Jim Dandy ... and to run off with the Travers because Bluegrass Cat broke a leg ... ... how come nobody else did it? |
I love how the "he beat nothing" crowd never decides to chime in until after a race is run.. Before the Preakness, I never heard anybody calling Brother Derek or Sweetnorthernsaint "nothing." Before the Jim Dandy, I never heard anybody calling Minister's Bid, Dr. Pleasure, Sunriver, etc. "nothing." It's always after the race that these horses suddenly become nothing. Gee, I wonder what the reason for that could be..
Could it possibly be that Bernardini just makes them look like nothing? No, that couldn't be it. He's just lucky he runs into a whole bunch of horses, who, upon postrace inspection, are nothing. More to the point, this is a tremendous 3-year-old class. Anyone who disagrees must have slept through the last four TC seasons. And Bernardini and Discreet Cat happen to be the two best 3-year-olds in a LONG time.. Who's better? I honestly can't say. Bernardini has accomplished more, but when I saw DC's comeback race in person, my jaw hit the ground.. There's no telling how good this horse is. The bottom line is these are two OUTSTANDING horses and nobody can seem to enjoy it. Everyone wants to get caught up in who's better than who or who beat what.. Man, let it go. They're both otherworldly talent-wise.. |
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... when you agree with me. |
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I did not say, he was not talented, but if you are looking at all of the facts, you cannot dispute any that I put up... If he beats older horses, fine, but until he does, he beat a Preakness field with many over the top and a breakdown, a paceless Jim Dandy, and a Travers with another horse with a broken leg, please tell me if any of this is incorrect... I know, he's some people's hero horse and he's got a great pedigree, but I like to live in the real world.... |
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Barbaro destroyed a Derby field with many on their A game, there would be no reason to criticize who he beat... |
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Also, Barbaro beat BGC by six lengths, Bandini won beat him by seven, but that's with a bum leg....
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Discreet Cat will not run in the Classic. I truly believe he wont even run in any Breeders Cup races. As far as who is better between Discreet Cat and Bernardini...well we will probably never know. Frankly, I really do not care. Both horses are truly special and very talented. I wish they would race each other, but I dont think we will see that. We may see it in the Dubai World cup--but I doubt it. I think that Discreet Cat is the best miler in the world. There are some races for him in the US at 1 mile where I think he should go.
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The Sheik treats all his horses like that if you know there background in there country the horses get to eat before the humans do. So pressing them too soon they have nothing to gain they are not money hungery like most private US owners. Discreet Cat is probally worth 7 - 10 mill I would give him all the time in the world. 1 tick off the track record in hand, 1 start off the layoff he is just a monster and you know when godolphin brings him to the paddock he is ready to run |
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To knock either one is folly. They both have established thereselves. The question for me is If they opposed each other, would they be coupled?
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By the way, I'm not saying DC might not be as good or better than Bernardini -he might or might not be (because as much room as DC has to improve, Bernardini has as much or more). But maybe Bernardini would blow DC's doors off or maybe there is not much between them. I really don't think they will ever face each other.......Let's just hope the both race next year and we can watch them do some spectacular things. Talents like these don't come around very often. Again, great post, Ateam! |
Discreet Cat has never run around two turns (one-turn 9f in Dubai) and the Breeders' Cup would be a bad place to try it for the first time. Bernardini is for this year and Discreet Cat is (if they can keep him together) for next year.
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I think that Discreet Cat is the only horse in the U.S. that could stand a chance against Bernardini. I really love both of these horses, and don't know which one is the better of the two. With that being said, as fragile at DC is, I think it would not be a wise choice to run him in the Classic this year. I would much rather see him in the sprint. I think that they should save DC for the Classic division next year. I just don't think he is going to be ready to go 1 1/4 after two races at a mile or less. I would have rather seen him have a 1 1/8 mile race instead of the Jerome. It would make me feel a little better if they do run him in the Classic. As fragile as he is, running him in the Classic may be just a step too far. I want to see this horse around for awhile. I really don't think he will have a problem going the 1 1/4 miles though.
I just got the sad news about Electrocutionist because I have been a horse show all weekend. That is so sad. We've all taken a hard hit this year with deaths and injuries. I really loved this horse. He was a good one. May he rest in peace. |
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