herman cain
 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43763267/ns/politics/

Cain says Tenn. mosque would spread extremism


MURFREESBORO, Tenn. — Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain opposes a planned Tennessee mosque that has been the subject of protests and legal challenges.

Cain didn't bring up the controversial facility in a campaign rally on Thursday, but told reporters afterward that he's concerned about the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro.

"It is an infringement and an abuse of our freedom of religion," he said. "And I don't agree with what's happening, because this isn't an innocent mosque."

and further down:

"It is another example of why I believe in American laws and American courts," Cain said. "This is just another way to try to gradually sneak Shariah law into our laws, and I absolutely object to that."



now...i thought freedom of religion was just that; how is opposing a house of worship supporting that freedom?
as for sharia law-i thought we had a separation of church and state here. i think his 'fear' is groundless in that respect.

Perhaps Mr. Cain is opposed to arranged marriages, honor killings and the rest of the baggage this 'religion' and its laws bring?

i just found it rather ironic that he used freedom of religion as an argument against the mosque.

but then, i also find it strange that you continue to denigrate the whole religion based on the bad apples that distort it's message as a way to justify their terrorist acts.

also, there are already mosques in the country; so the argument against another is rather hollow. and i would have to think it's not the people who are attempting to worship in public that are the issue.


after all, dell, how would you like it if someone used the awful happenings in your religion as a way to judge you? if you were lumped in with the bad apples?

Maybe he's an idiot?

You mean like if someone thought all Catholics were pedophiles?

maybe??

or maybe he's trying to pander to the bigots in the party by attacking an entire group-you'd think he'd have some empathy instead.

that's exactly what i meant.
then there's that catholics don't think women should be in positions of authority.
but then, neither do southern baptists. or a lot of religions for that matter...

'it says raht here in tha bahble...'

I think he's a "Yes Man" and that's why Fox News was riding his d.ick for a few days.

From the limited air time he's had it's been empty slogans and repeatedly conveying he's going to have a team of advisers to tell him how to govern.

That's "Yes Man" speak for same ol' same ol'.

I havent looked into it, but you would think that based on Cains comments, maybe the people who want to start the mosque have some questionable connections or opinions on shariah law?? he could have meant that freedom of religion makes sure that shariah law will never be put in place in America (thank little g) if that is not the case, then Cains comments are just disrespectful.

not sure if anyone saw this, recent report on the catholic church in ireland-showing that NOTHING has changed:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43744278...h-hid-abuse-s/


Focus on 19 priests
The report, which focuses on 19 priests who allegedly abused children during a period from January 1996 to February 2009, lists how the diocese failed to report all sexual abuse complaints to the police and did not report any complaints to the health authorities between 1996 and 2008.

The bishop formerly responsible for the diocese, John Magee, falsely told the authorities that he was reporting all abuse allegations to the police, the report said.

He resigned in March last year after a Church investigation said his handling of abuse allegations had exposed children to risk.


The report also criticized the Vatican as "entirely unhelpful" by describing Irish church guidelines on how to deal with abuse accusations as "merely a study document."

no, it's not that they have questionable connections. they have been meeting for years already, but have outgrown their current building. they wish to grow because everyone can no longer fit inside their present site.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...011847,00.html

then Cain should recind his comments.

I heard Casey Anthony might be staying in Ocala when she gets out! :eek:

If 50% or more of Catholics were victims of pedophiles, the comparison to arranged marriages would be valid. Fortunately for Catholics, it's not even close to that and sadly for muslim girls, they are victims of arranged marriages (in most cases as minors) at a far greater rate than 50%. At least here in America that should not be happening.

lol
boy, that went right over your head.

he's saying that you probably wouldn't like being called a pedophile.


i don't recall your concerns being voiced about hinduism. should their houses of worship also be banned here?

:D and my response went right over yours. If Catholics were involved in pedophilia at the same rate muslims/hindus are involved in abuse of their daughters his calling me a pedophile may have a valid basis. Provided I was still involved with the religion which, I am not.

It's a shame this bozo's "presidential campaign" gives his verbal crap media coverage.

"... an abuse of our freedom of religion". Just for you hating bigots, Cain.

Disgusting man.

Or the interfaith tolerance, the holding of Moses and Jesus as prophets, and the mantra of peace.

I see you've added Hindus - an entirely different religion than Islam - onto your hate list.

i dont see why Moses is held in a high regard by anyone.

He was a murderous monster. men, women, children, who cares. Just wipe out the entire village. Its like celebrating the Arab Muslims in Sudan who wiped out the Black Muslim villages.

I hate abuse of women and children more than anything. You obviously are able to look the other way. If a man can't respect his own daughter how is he expected to respect anything other than his own self-interests? Ignoring the problem will not make it go away and in fact perpetuates it making it seem valid.

I hate haters more than anything.

and that's why many think of you as odd, including me.

I'd much rather have someone hate my mother or nieces rather than abuse them. But then again that's me. You have the right to hate haters more than abusers, demented as that might be.

Whoooooosh .......

Dell, hatred leads to dehumanization, I also find anyone that abuses anyone disgusting, and women and children have traditionally been easy targets for haters/abusers. Abusers are nothing more than a subset of haters so if one hates haters it stands to reason they hate all haters including abusers. If one truly respects all folks, they don't hate and they don't abuse others.

If the abuser is the father and he acts out of honor instead of hate, all is good? Did Casey Anthony hate her daughter? If she did't is it less of a crime? Should hate be more serious charge than murder?

After all you defended Riot's opinion that hate is worse than abuse.

Almost as abstract and out of touch as hope and change.

U two are/were made for each other.

Sorry Dell....Can you not link something to your President?

what in the wide, wide world of sports does your post have to do with somer's above?

Your ability to read and digest concepts is rather limited isn't it? I never quantified in terms of "worse", I simply stated that hatred and abuse are interconnected with abusers being a subset of haters. A father who abuses his daughter dehumanizes her to do same, you cannot love and respect someone and abuse them...there are sick folks who may claim that they abused/murdered someone because they loved them but that is the workings of a deviate mind and has nothing to do with reality. "Honor" is not a reason to do evil, merely an excuse demonstrating once more dehumanization of the victim. Folks can throw around all sorts of rationale as to why they harm someone and it's all bull crap...in the darkest recesses of the human mind lurks a basic disregard for the rights of others that is overcome through love and respect but unleashed by hate.

The fact that hate and abuse are not perfectly interchangable. That and the fact I consider abuse a worse crime than hate. That's all. Goes back to Riot's idiotic followup.

i am pretty sure when somer was talking to you about hate, he was talking about your hate.
hate alone isn't the issue-i feel it's the acts committed due to hate that are the problem. whether it's abuse, torture, or keeping a group that already meets from building a larger place to fit their congregation.

If I did hate the people why would I be concerned with their women?

I'm pretty sure I've been consistent hating the act of abuse and the abuse does not involve a small minority but rather involves the majority. We need to come to the aid of their women not ignore them.

lol
yeah, ok...

you're right that women the world over need help. change hopefully will come with time, it sure won't happen over night.

Dell, again it helps when you actually read what I post before becoming critical of same. One last time, I never said hate and abuse are interchangeable, I said abuse comes from hate, is a subset of same, that they are interconnected with hate being the emotion that leads to abuse/violence against others. It is my position that when a person hates, they can then dehumanize and feel justified in committing violence. If you love and respect someone, you will not abuse or otherwise harm them.

Just because you can't remotely understand what other people post doesn't make them the idiot.

when we're talking about stopping abuse to women/children and in some cases killing them and you blurt out 'I hate haters more than anything', what do you think it makes you if not an idiot!

Abuse without hate as in the case of a father abusing his daughter is what I was talking about. Unless the majority of muslims/hindus hate their daughters?

And my position is there can be no abuse without hate....these men may profess to love their daughters, even believe it themselves, but when faced with the lives of their daughters vs their "honor" they choose violence against the one they profess to love...shows that they have dehumanized their daughter and consider her less than their precious "honor" and they hate her for daring to go against same.

It makes me somebody who is able to understand alot more nuance than you are able to. And recognize sanctimony on sight.

Speaking of bigotry and hate, did anybody watch Herman Cain on Faux News today with Chris Wallace?

This man is disgusting. He did do a nice job of digging his political grave deeper.

i just read about his comments. wow.

so, doesn't the president take an oath that he will defend the constitution? he needs to read up on that document, so he'll see that he's wrong.