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Coach Pants 06-25-2011 08:44 AM

New York is gay approved
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

Picture...



Cover story to the right of...


Evacuation urged after water breaches ND dike


:D:D:D

randallscott35 06-25-2011 08:54 AM

You had me at hello.

dagolfer33 06-25-2011 09:14 AM

"skittles!"

Danzig 06-25-2011 09:24 AM

good for new york.

geeker2 06-25-2011 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 787009)
good for new york.

and Divorce Attorneys :D

Danzig 06-25-2011 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 787012)
and Divorce Attorneys :D

!!!


i just think it's a shame, that all these years after 1776 people still have to have laws passed in this country to have rights that are already conferred on some citizens.

dellinger63 06-25-2011 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 787014)
!!!


i just think it's a shame, that all these years after 1776 people still have to have laws passed in this country to have rights that are already conferred on some citizens.

I think it's a shame that some people (gay and straight) bend over and pay almost 50% of their income to taxes while others pay nothing. And to think those wise people still around in 1776 had protested to a 8.3% tea tax a few years before. LOL

somerfrost 06-25-2011 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 787024)
I think it's a shame that some people (gay and straight) bend over and pay almost 50% of their income to taxes while others pay nothing. And to think those wise people still around in 1776 had protested to a 8.3% tea tax a few years before. LOL

You always turn every thread into an anti-liberal/Democratic rant. Back to the topic...this could be a huge advancement for gay rights, depending on the outcome of the court case in California.

Danzig 06-25-2011 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 787024)
I think it's a shame that some people (gay and straight) bend over and pay almost 50% of their income to taxes while others pay nothing. And to think those wise people still around in 1776 had protested to a 8.3% tea tax a few years before. LOL

nice segue. :rolleyes:

somerfrost 06-25-2011 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 787014)
!!!


i just think it's a shame, that all these years after 1776 people still have to have laws passed in this country to have rights that are already conferred on some citizens.

That unfortunately is the nature of politics, no politician...right or left...is ever in a hurry to take a stand on a controversial issue. Before we blame the politicians however we need to understand that the fact that equal rights is ever a controversial issue says much about society, folks are slow to accept those that they perceive as "different" and old fears lead to hatred and intolerance...the good news is that America is on the right path as uphill as it may be at times.

Riot 06-25-2011 04:24 PM

Good for New York.

magic_idol 06-25-2011 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 787031)
You always turn every thread into an anti-liberal/Democratic rant. Back to the topic...this could be a huge advancement for gay rights, depending on the outcome of the court case in California.

Or put them BEHIND!!!!:eek:

dellinger63 06-25-2011 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 787050)
the good news is that America is on the right path as uphill as it may be at times.

Before we beat ourselves up too much consider

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Sun, 26 Jun 2011 - 01:09:46timeslive | Muslim leaders in Kenya have called on the government to introduce the death penalty for homosexuals and to boycott their businesses, media reports said Monday.

"Death is the only punishment prescribed by Islam for such people as done in China and Iran," the Daily Nation quoted Sheikh Mohammed Khalifa, of the Council of Imams and Preachers of Kenya, as saying.

"We are asking Kenyans to shun businesses owned by such people and further show them open discrimination as a way of stopping the beastly act," he told reporters at an anti-homosexual workshop.

"They grossly abuse rights of others and should not be accepted among the society," he said.

The workshop was attended by more than 150 madrassa teachers and was called to address the problem of sexual abuse of boys.

Another participant at the work shop, Sheikh Majid Obeid also blamed Kenya's recent drought on "illicit activities."

"The rising cost of living and drought are due to the behaviour of these Kenyans who are not ready to change," he said.

An attempt last year by a Ugandan member of parliament to introduce the death penalty caused international outrage. The government rejected the death penalty but parts of the legislation proposed are still under discussion.

Homosexuality is illegal in most African countries. Those who show their gay orientation openly often face violence as well as discrimination.

Homosexuality is illegal in most African countries. Those who show their gay orientation openly often face violence as well as discrimination.????


How ironic is that? :zz::zz::wf

Riot 06-25-2011 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 787146)
Before we beat ourselves up too much consider :

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 - 01:09:46timeslive Muslim leaders in Kenya have called on the government to introduce the death penalty for homosexuals and to boycott their businesses, media reports said Monday.

Dell. Seriously - please go google:

C Street Kenya Homosexual Congressman Chris Smith

And get back to us about what you find. The irony regarding intolerance towards homosexuality in certain African countries, and it's relationship to "christian" American government officials, will astound you, I'm sure.

dellinger63 06-25-2011 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 787149)
Dell. Seriously - please go google:

C Street Kenya Homosexual Congressman Chris Smith

And get back to us about what you find. The irony regarding intolerance towards homosexuality in certain African countries, and it's relationship to "christian" American government officials, will astound you, I'm sure.

When Chris Smith starts calling for gays to be killed then I'll put him in the same league. Until then he's just an ignorant fossil.

Riot 06-25-2011 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 787155)
When Chris Smith starts calling for gays to be killed

And once again, you've proven that you haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

Danzig 06-25-2011 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 787146)
Before we beat ourselves up too much consider




Homosexuality is illegal in most African countries. Those who show their gay orientation openly often face violence as well as discrimination.????


How ironic is that? :zz::zz::wf


i've read this post twice and still don't quite grasp what your point was in posting this. what has kenya to do with the u.s. or with new york and it's recent move forward?

and by the way, i think we should be a leader in pushing rights for all. i'm embarrassed that other countries are further along than we are regarding rights for some individuals.

dellinger63 06-25-2011 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 787156)
And once again, you've proven that you haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

Show me!

Where did Chris Smith ever call for gays to be killed?

Ever?

Or is disagreeing with the right for gays to marry equal to murder in your mind?

somerfrost 06-26-2011 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 787165)
Show me!

Where did Chris Smith ever call for gays to be killed?

Ever?

Or is disagreeing with the right for gays to marry equal to murder in your mind?

You can't justify intolerance by pointing to greater intolerance by others, what ignorant folks in other countries do has nothing to do with what ignorant folks in this country do. Westboro homophobia isn't as "bad" as radical Muslim homophobia...obviously but so what?

dellinger63 06-26-2011 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 787220)
You can't justify intolerance by pointing to greater intolerance by others, what ignorant folks in other countries do has nothing to do with what ignorant folks in this country do. Westboro homophobia isn't as "bad" as radical Muslim homophobia...obviously but so what?


It's the self-loathing I can't stand. A few decades ago we were a proud, great country and now after we've progressed even further we're a bunch a racists and bigots? We are arguably the most diverse, tolerant country in the world and of course we have Westboro fools but overall we're doing just fine especially considering how young a country we are.

We need to stop self-analyzing in search of guilt and get back to work. We need a President who understands private business and citizens come ahead of government programs, who puts residents of Joplin MO ahead of Taliban leaders’ bribes, and who understands we are part of the people of the world, not their provider. And considering the money that has been plundered the last 2 1/2 years the last thing we need now is to raise the debt ceiling. Time to start answering those debt collectors' calls and get straight. We've done enough and should be loved not hated for it.

Danzig 06-26-2011 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 787222)
It's the self-loathing I can't stand. A few decades ago we were a proud, great country and now after we've progressed even further we're a bunch a racists and bigots? We are arguably the most diverse, tolerant country in the world and of course we have Westboro fools but overall we're doing just fine especially considering how young a country we are.

We need to stop self-analyzing in search of guilt and get back to work. We need a President who understands private business and citizens come ahead of government programs, who puts residents of Joplin MO ahead of Taliban leaders’ bribes, and who understands we are part of the people of the world, not their provider. And considering the money that has been plundered the last 2 1/2 years the last thing we need now is to raise the debt ceiling. Time to start answering those debt collectors' calls and get straight. We've done enough and should be loved not hated for it.

our money has been 'plundered' for far longer than the last 2 1/2 years, a fact you continue to ignore. of course, we can't do anything now about what's past, we can only use what we've learned to change now and in the future. the debt ceiling has to be raised now, but can certainly be lowered later. we can't afford to default on our current obligations. that would only cause more and bigger problems.
the fact that we are a progressive society is laudable, but we can certainly do better. we have done a lot, but we have not done enough.

Riot 06-26-2011 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 787165)
Show me!

Where did Chris Smith ever call for gays to be killed?

I told you what to search on. Try Uganda, homosexuals, C Street.

Look. I know you don't read newspapers, or watch news shows. You read the occasion right wing blog that gives you your superficial worldview. But sometimes ya just gotta squeeze out some objective critical thinking, and do a little serious observation on your own.

Riot 06-26-2011 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 787222)
It's the self-loathing I can't stand. A few decades ago we were a proud, great country and now after we've progressed even further we're a bunch a racists and bigots? We are arguably the most diverse, tolerant country in the world and of course we have Westboro fools but overall we're doing just fine especially considering how young a country we are.

We need to stop self-analyzing in search of guilt and get back to work. We need a President who understands private business and citizens come ahead of government programs, who puts residents of Joplin MO ahead of Taliban leaders’ bribes, and who understands we are part of the people of the world, not their provider. And considering the money that has been plundered the last 2 1/2 years the last thing we need now is to raise the debt ceiling. Time to start answering those debt collectors' calls and get straight. We've done enough and should be loved not hated for it.

Wow. You do not live in the United States that I live in.

Too bad for you, it's pretty nice here :)

lord007 06-26-2011 07:52 PM

What is this world coming too...Sheeesh!!!!!

Antitrust32 06-27-2011 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by lord007 (Post 787315)
What is this world coming too...Sheeesh!!!!!

what are you talking about?

GBBob 06-27-2011 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 787370)
what are you talking about?

If you are familiar with his ( assume he is a male) other posts he makes Dell and Joey seem like moderates

Danzig 06-27-2011 06:25 PM

i was going to ask the good lord to give some details of what he meant, but i figured it was pretty clear already...
cause goodness knows that if people get rights, it certainly affects other folks' lives in a bad way. :rolleyes:

GBBob 06-27-2011 06:55 PM

Michele Bachman"s comment was that if elected Prez she would try and pass a constitutional ammendment outlawing gay marriage. And this is an example of "less goverment"?

Cannon Shell 06-27-2011 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 787412)
Michele Bachman"s comment was that if elected Prez she would try and pass a constitutional ammendment outlawing gay marriage. And this is an example of "less goverment"?

No that would be considered "bad government".

somerfrost 06-27-2011 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 787412)
Michele Bachman"s comment was that if elected Prez she would try and pass a constitutional ammendment outlawing gay marriage. And this is an example of "less goverment"?

The radical right seems to have fallen in love with Constitutional amendments, first it was to outlaw abortions and now gay marriage...use to be a left wing idea. Michelle Bachman announced her run for the Republican nomination today and she seems to have some support. It will be interesting to see how she stands up to the scrutiny which all candidates are subjected to...I suspect she will make Sarah Palin seem like a Mensa member.

Riot 06-27-2011 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 787422)
The radical right seems to have fallen in love with Constitutional amendments, first it was to outlaw abortions and now gay marriage...use to be a left wing idea. Michelle Bachman announced her run for the Republican nomination today and she seems to have some support. It will be interesting to see how she stands up to the scrutiny which all candidates are subjected to...I suspect she will make Sarah Palin seem like a Mensa member.

So far (this past weekends public appearances) Bachmann is sticking to her reputation and long history of "factually pants-on-fire" falsehoods as she throws around "facts and figures".

For example: this weekend she denied she made any income off the family farm - although all her tax forms for past years have her income from the farm listed. She was reminded of this, but still maintained she makes no income off the family farm (because the family farm gets alot of government farm subsidies)

She's a strange one. But hey, she's only in politics to do God's bidding, and was "called" (as Palin said she was)

She also screwed up at her Presidential announcement in Iowa today and said John Wayne lived in the town where she grew up. No, John Wayne lived 150 miles away. John Wayne Gacy lived in her town.


Coach Pants 06-27-2011 07:38 PM

Bachmann s.hit to kids ratio is 8 to 1. A phenomenal accomplishment.

Riot 06-27-2011 08:07 PM

Bachmann will be more fun to watch than Palin.

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FACT CHECK: Bachmann bomblets raising eyebrows

By BY CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press – 4 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Michele Bachmann's claim that she has "never gotten a penny" from a family farm that's been subsidized by the government is at odds with her financial disclosure statements. They show tens of thousands in personal income from the operation.

And, on a less-substantive note, she flubbed her hometown history when declaring "John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa," and "that's the kind of spirit that I have, too," in running for president.

The actor was born nearly 150 miles away. It was the serial killer John Wayne Gacy Jr. who lived, for a time, in Waterloo.

Those were among the latest examples of how the Minnesota congresswoman has become one to watch — for inaccuracies as well as rising support — in the Republican presidential race.

[snip]

Examining 24 of her statements, Politifact.com, the Pulitzer Prize-winning fact-checking service of the St. Petersburg (Fla.) Times, found just one to be fully true and 17 to be false (seven of them "pants on fire" false). No other Republican candidate whose statements have been vigorously vetted matched that record of inaccuracy.

A look at some of her recent statements and how they compare with the facts:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...faed35fc87ca82

Coach Pants 06-27-2011 08:13 PM

Read this, Riot...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-religion.html

Riot 06-27-2011 08:40 PM

"What an amazing imagination," marvels Arnold. "Her ideology is so powerful that she can construct a reality just on a moment's notice."

Serial liar, batshiat crazy. Republican Primaries 2012 wahoo! It'll be fun ;)

Coach Pants 06-27-2011 08:56 PM

I don't think it's fun. This country is doomed.

lord007 06-27-2011 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 787372)
If you are familiar with his ( assume he is a male) other posts he makes Dell and Joey seem like moderates

Lol...hardly...I just love my country...hope it comes back one of these decades

Danzig 06-27-2011 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 787412)
Michele Bachman"s comment was that if elected Prez she would try and pass a constitutional ammendment outlawing gay marriage. And this is an example of "less goverment"?

yeah, i saw that. won't happen. even if enough dummies voted for her, the amendment wouldn't happen either.

Danzig 06-27-2011 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 787442)
Bachmann will be more fun to watch than Palin.

from what i read on slate, john wayne's folks were from waterloo..on the flub scale, not nearly as big as the paul revere mistake by palin. what made that one worse was sarahs insistence that she didn't get that wrong. here's hoping her jury duty lasts for a long time.

GBBob 06-28-2011 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by lord007 (Post 787453)
Lol...hardly...I just love my country...hope it comes back one of these decades

And gay people don't?


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