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DaTruth 06-12-2011 11:36 PM

Johnny V: Innocent victim of Maragh payback?
 
<<<Further, Velazquez said he thinks Maragh may have deliberately taken a left-hand turn aboard Isn’t He Perfect to impede Mucho Macho Man, a horse Maragh had been taken off after riding him in the Kentucky Derby and Preakness. Mucho Macho Man, under Ramon Dominguez, broke from post 10, in between Animal Kingdom and Isn’t He Perfect.

“That’s what I think,’’ Velazquez said in a conference call with reporters Sunday morning. “That’s why I was so frustrated. Things happen in a race. If it would have happened right out of the gate I wouldn’t have been so frustrated because things happen right from the start. But this happened three or four jumps after the start so that’s why I was frustrated. It shouldn’t happen. He should not be playing something like that in a race like this. It’s stupidity and it shouldn’t happen.’’>>>

http://www.drf.com/news/belmont-stak...w-rider-maragh

iamthelurker 06-12-2011 11:43 PM

DaTruth.

letswastemoney 06-13-2011 02:16 AM

It's a plausible theory. Obviousy Maragh will not admit it even if it was true. We will never know for sure.

Fearless Leader 06-13-2011 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 784027)
<<<Further, Velazquez said he thinks Maragh may have deliberately taken a left-hand turn aboard Isn’t He Perfect to impede Mucho Macho Man, a horse Maragh had been taken off after riding him in the Kentucky Derby and Preakness. Mucho Macho Man, under Ramon Dominguez, broke from post 10, in between Animal Kingdom and Isn’t He Perfect.

“That’s what I think,’’ Velazquez said in a conference call with reporters Sunday morning. “That’s why I was so frustrated. Things happen in a race. If it would have happened right out of the gate I wouldn’t have been so frustrated because things happen right from the start. But this happened three or four jumps after the start so that’s why I was frustrated. It shouldn’t happen. He should not be playing something like that in a race like this. It’s stupidity and it shouldn’t happen.’’>>>

http://www.drf.com/news/belmont-stak...w-rider-maragh

Is he saying that it would be okay to do what he is accusing Maragh of in a Claiming race on a Thursday ? Stupid jockey behavior occurs all the time and shouldn't be tolerated ever.

randallscott35 06-13-2011 07:51 AM

Johnny was just emotional at the time. The Rajiv I know would never do such a thing but would surely middle move wide into any pace scenario and come up wanting late.

my miss storm cat 06-13-2011 01:09 PM

I want to say there's no way on earth he or any professional would do such a thing, take a risk like that, potentially endanger other jockeys or horses but I'm suddenly trying to figure out if I'm being naive in thinking this way.

In my heart of hearts though no. No way.

Riot 06-13-2011 01:44 PM

Velazquez is completely unprofessional to make such an accusation in public. The stewards will sort it out Wednesday. If Johnny still has a problem after that, he can physically fight Rajiv in the hall outside the stewards room, so we can read about that.

randallscott35 06-13-2011 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784112)
Velazquez is completely unprofessional to make such an accusation in public. The stewards will sort it out Wednesday. If Johnny still has a problem after that, he can physically fight Rajiv in the hall outside the stewards room, so we can read about that.

Maybe Angel can get in a few punches as well :rolleyes:

MaTH716 06-13-2011 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784112)
Velazquez is completely unprofessional to make such an accusation in public. The stewards will sort it out Wednesday. If Johnny still has a problem after that, he can physically fight Rajiv in the hall outside the stewards room, so we can read about that.

Rajiv would probably throw a punch prematurely and punch some valet in the face.

randallscott35 06-13-2011 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 784129)
Rajiv would probably throw a punch prematurely and punch some valet in the face.

Ain't that the truth. No clock in that head.

3kings 06-13-2011 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784112)
Velazquez is completely unprofessional to make such an accusation in public. The stewards will sort it out Wednesday. If Johnny still has a problem after that, he can physically fight Rajiv in the hall outside the stewards room, so we can read about that.

If Velasquez thinks this is what happened than he should have beat the crap out of him on Saturday. I think he has a right to go public with it if asked. Why is this unprofessional? I would want people to look at and form their own opinions not just the stewards. If incidents like this became more public it would prevent people from giving mounts to riders who use such horrible judgement.

Riot 06-13-2011 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 784133)
If Velasquez thinks this is what happened than he should have beat the crap out of him on Saturday. I think he has a right to go public with it if asked. Why is this unprofessional? I would want people to look at and form their own opinions not just the stewards. If incidents like this became more public it would prevent people from giving mounts to riders who use such horrible judgement.

So let's hear more from Barry Irwin. It should all be public on the NBC telecast of the Belmont. That's great for racing.

pointman 06-13-2011 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784112)
Velazquez is completely unprofessional to make such an accusation in public. The stewards will sort it out Wednesday. If Johnny still has a problem after that, he can physically fight Rajiv in the hall outside the stewards room, so we can read about that.

Maybe the stewards should drug test both of them. :rolleyes:

3kings 06-13-2011 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784137)
So let's hear more from Barry Irwin. It should all be public on the NBC telecast of the Belmont. That's great for racing.

How are these two item related? What does Irwin being a blowhard have to do with this. Velasquez was asked on a conference call on Sunday morning and gave his opinion about the Belmont Stakes. He was not giving his opinion on the state of the game. I'm for more transparency in the sport, not hiding things from the Public. I thought for sure with your political lean, more transparency would be better.

Riot 06-13-2011 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 784154)
How are these two item related? .

Wow. Seriously? Because they are both speaking publicly about the sport, and making public allegations of illegal activity.

NTamm1215 06-13-2011 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784155)
Wow. Seriously? Because they are both speaking publicly about the sport, and making public allegations of illegal activity.

You're on quite a roll this afternoon. It just keeps getting better.

Riot 06-13-2011 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 784158)
You're on quite a roll this afternoon. It just keeps getting better.

Yeah. I say Johnny V. was unprofessional for publicly accusing Rajiv of deliberately threatening the lives of the horses and jocks on that track at the press conference.

And you say that's a weird opinion? :D

3kings 06-13-2011 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784155)
Wow. Seriously? Because they are both speaking publicly about the sport, and making public allegations of illegal activity.

One is the Derby winning owner on a national telecast, the other is a conference call the day after the event to the racing press. You are correct as usual they are the same. :rolleyes:

pointman 06-13-2011 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 784158)
You're on quite a roll this afternoon. It just keeps getting better.

Please, judging from her politics posts, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Coach Pants 06-13-2011 03:20 PM

And just think she's allowed to treat animals. No wonder why this country is in the toilet.

NTamm1215 06-13-2011 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784159)
Yeah. I say Johnny V. was unprofessional for publicly accusing Rajiv of deliberately threatening the lives of the horses and jocks on that track at the press conference.

And you say that's a weird opinion? :D

Because things like that NEVER happen? You go out of your way to speak like an insider all the time yet seem to be completely unaware of a lot of the things that happen with any regularity. You don't need to bet on thoroughbred racing to know that jocks go after each other, tighten up openings, put horses in spots all the time.

Enough of the stuff about how guys need to hold back what they want to say because they need to maintain some high standard. It is ironic, however, that you think it would be better if Johnny punched him. Professionalism over civility, eh?

Riot 06-13-2011 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 784158)
You're on quite a roll this afternoon. It just keeps getting better.

So an owner in the press publicly accusing multiple trainers of cheating is just a blowhard, but a jock in the press publicly accusing another jock of endangering lives and throwing a race is okay with you and "professional"?

Riot 06-13-2011 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 784167)
Enough of the stuff about how guys need to hold back what they want to say because they need to maintain some high standard.

Because yes, what horse racing needs is more public accusations of cheating, stealing, and endangering the lives of horses and men.

Quote:

It is ironic, however, that you think it would be better if Johnny punched him. Professionalism over civility, eh?
So sorry you are unable to detect sarcasm.

Coach Pants 06-13-2011 03:34 PM

yeah the feds need to regulate the industry. Get Obama on the case.

FO

NTamm1215 06-13-2011 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784171)
Because yes, what horse racing needs is more public accusations of cheating, stealing, and endangering the lives of horses and men.



So sorry you are unable to detect sarcasm.

Does it get lonely up on your soapbox? Irwin made a stupid remark with a microphone jammed in his face minutes after winning the biggest race in this country. It is not even an issue at this point except on message boards where people bring it up 5 weeks after the fact. When did you forsake the notion that these guys are human beings? Human beings who say what they feel at times whether it's "right" or "for the good of the game." Many more ills have been performed by people who never appeared in the public nor made statements for which you could vilify them. Those people are the ones who have contributed to racing's lack of popularity and the notion that those involved are cheaters and thieves who endanger the lives of humans and equines.

As far as detecting sarcasm, you didn't write what I referenced in a sarcastic tone.

Riot 06-13-2011 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 784173)
Does it get lonely up on your soapbox? Irwin made a stupid remark with a microphone jammed in his face minutes after winning the biggest race in this country.

And Johnny make a very serious and stupid public accusation at a press conference. Yeah, he was unprofessional.

You think that's a "soap box", good for you.

Dahoss 06-13-2011 03:43 PM

I think if you watch the head on, what Velazquez is suggesting is certainly plausible.

Unless you're a racing fan, you probably have no idea about all of this, so the fake outrage over protecting the sport is just that....fake.

NTamm1215 06-13-2011 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784176)
And Johnny make a very serious and stupid public accusation at a press conference. Yeah, he was unprofessional.

You think that's a "soap box", good for you.

I'm just wondering who else you can cast judgment on this afternoon. Then who else you can selectively reply to when they're pointing out your lunacy.

Riot 06-13-2011 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 784178)
I think if you watch the head on, what Velazquez is suggesting is certainly plausible.

Unless you're a racing fan, you probably have no idea about all of this, so the fake outrage over protecting the sport is just that....fake.

Oh, bullshit. My "outrage" isn't outrage, it's simply a comment that I think Johnny unprofessional for bringing it up at the press conference. He should have waited until after Wednesday when they all meet with the stewards.

If he isn't happy with what happens there, then he can bitch and moan publicly.

No, that's not "fake".

Riot 06-13-2011 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 784179)
I'm just wondering who else you can cast judgment on this afternoon. Then who else you can selectively reply to when they're pointing out your lunacy.

I'm casting the same type of "judgements" the rest of you are regarding Johnny V's. statements in the press.

You think it's "lunacy" to me to call him unprofessional for publicly accusing another jock of purposely endangering the lives of the jocks and horses, you stick with that :tro:

Dahoss 06-13-2011 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784182)
Oh, bullshit. My "outrage" isn't outrage, it's simply a comment that I think Johnny unprofessional for bringing it up at the press conference. He should have waited until after Wednesday when they all meet with the stewards.

If he isn't happy with what happens there, then he can bitch and moan publicly.

No, that's not "fake".

Yeah, it's fake. You mentioned over and over that you think the sport doesn't need this. Need what?

The only people who are even aware of this are racing fans. It's not like the talk at the water coolers in offices across America was what Velazquez said.

As racing fans we see worse than this all the time. I'm glad he said something.

pointman 06-13-2011 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784171)
Because yes, what horse racing needs is more public accusations of cheating, stealing, and endangering the lives of horses and men.



So sorry you are unable to detect sarcasm.

This makes sense, the guy feels that another jock endangered his life but he should keep his mouth shut to prevent the public from having a bad image of the game? Just sweep it under the rug, great solution!

Riot 06-13-2011 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 784186)
I'm glad he said something.

And I think he was unprofessional for saying something. Get over it.

Coach Pants 06-13-2011 03:55 PM

I'm going to say something that's not witty but give myself a trophy smiley. :tro:

Riot 06-13-2011 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 784187)
This makes sense, the guy feels that another jock endangered his life but he should keep his mouth shut to prevent the public from having a bad image of the game? Just sweep it under the rug, great solution!

Jump to wrong conclusions much?

Who is sweeping it under the rug? Not me. He's meeting with the stewards Wednesday. Yeah, he should have kept his mouth shut before that.

Dahoss 06-13-2011 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 784187)
This makes sense, the guy feels that another jock endangered his life but he should keep his mouth shut to prevent the public from having a bad image of the game? Just sweep it under the rug, great solution!

That's why this fake outrage is so funny. The public? We're lucky if the public knows the name of the winner of the race.

People, if they even hear about this, aren't going to change their mind about the sport because of this. And it's not like we're going to lose any potential new fans or bettors because of it.

On the flip side, Hollywood Park let a horse run and eventually win a race the other day that he wasn't eligible for. That thread has gotten zero responses. I'd say something like that is far worse towards the public perception of the sport than something like this.

NTamm1215 06-13-2011 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 784193)
On the flip side, Hollywood Park let a horse run and eventually win a race the other day that he wasn't eligible for. That thread has gotten zero responses. I'd say something like that is far worse towards the public perception of the sport than something like this.

See, you have to gamble to care about that. You know, do the thing that keeps this very game going. However, the majority of the image conscious blowhards don't do any of that crazy thing called betting.

Dahoss 06-13-2011 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784188)
And I think he was unprofessional for saying something. Get over it.

So we disagree. I'm glad. :tro:

Coach Pants 06-13-2011 04:04 PM

Johnny should be drug tested for that comment and all of you should as well for defending him.


pointman 06-13-2011 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784171)
Because yes, what horse racing needs is more public accusations of cheating, stealing, and endangering the lives of horses and men.



So sorry you are unable to detect sarcasm.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784191)
Jump to wrong conclusions much?

Who is sweeping it under the rug? Not me. He's meeting with the stewards Wednesday. Yeah, he should have kept his mouth shut before that.

Do you read your own posts? You clearly stated that JV was wrong for making a public accusation as the game does not need more public accusations of these things. That is a suggestion that it should be swept under the rug.

JV has every right to make a public statement when he believes that someone intentionally put his, and other jocks, lives in danger in a race. And no, I don't jump to wrong conclusions, though I believe that you delivered this insult in desperation since you have nothing of substance to state in your defense. Then again, you have proven that your logic is so twisted that it is difficult for anyone to make assumptions regarding any of the utter nonsense you continuously spew on this website daily.


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