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TitanSooner 05-18-2011 04:20 PM

5/21 (PIM): Preakness (G1), DuPont, Sprint, Gallorette, Schaefer (G3's)
 
4th (12:16) Allaire DuPont Distaff S. (G3)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Lily Quatorze Ho C 118 LA
2 Payton d'Oro Saez G 118 LA
3 Decelerator Court J K 118 L
4 Life At Ten Velazquez J R 118 LA
5 Baltimore Belle Pimentel J 118 LA
6 Check Point Gomez G K 118 LA
7 Super Espresso Dominguez R A 118 LA



6th (1:33) Chick Lang S.

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Ghost Is Clear Albarado R J 116 LA
2 Chipshot Smith M E 116 LA
3 Wicked Thunder Boyce F 116 LA
4 Escort Velazquez J R 116 LA
5 Vengeful Wildcat Marquez C H Jr 120 LA
6 Road Ready Gomez G K 118 LA
7 Diski Dance Arroyo A S 116 Blk-On LA
8 Philippe Prado E S 116 LA
9 No Easy Answer Franklin M 116 L



7th (2:13) James W. Murphy S.

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Master Dunker Dominguez R A 122 LA
2 Chinglish Velazquez J R 116 L
3 Stormy the Cat Maragh R 116 LA
4 Lil Bit O'Fun Desormeaux K J 116 LA
5 Batter Up 116 LA
6 Balto More Joyce J 116 LA
7 Broad Rule Boyce F 116 LA
8 Distorted Appeal Acosta J D 116 LA
9 Humble and Hungry Gomez G K 116 LA
10 Joes Blazing Aaron Leparoux J R 122 LA



8th (2:55) Maryland Sprint H. (G3)

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 My Cuz C J 110 LA
2 Heritage Hall 109 LA
3 Nathan's H Q Martin C W 112 LA
4 Delong Road Court J K 112 L
5 Ventana Garcia M 119 LA
6 Immortal Eyes Dunkelberger T L 115 L
7 China Velazquez J R 111 LA
8 Safety Check Dominguez R A 112 LA
9 Gattopardo Franklin M 113 LA



9th (3:35) Gallorette H. (G3)

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 My Sweet Nenana Ho C 113 LA
2 No Explaining (IRE) Velazquez J R 115
3 Theda's Smile Leparoux J R 113 LA
4 Baltimore Belle Pimentel J 115 LA
5 Joharmony Ho C 114 LA
6 Shared Account Prado E S 125 LA
7 Desert Sage (GB) Leparoux J R 112 LA
8 Dyna Waltz (GB) Dominguez R A 112 L



10th (4:16) William Donald Schaefer Memorial S. (G3)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Researcher Dominguez R A 118
2 Apart Gomez G K 118 L
3 Eighttofasttocatch Russell S 124 LA
4 No Advantage Chaves M 118 LA
5 Icabad Crane Maragh R 124 LA
6 Our Dark Knight Leparoux J R 118 LA
7 Pleasant Prince Velasquez C 118 L
8 Colizeo Velazquez J R 124 LA
9 Saratoga Red Court J K 114 L



11th (5:06) Dixie S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Eighttofasttocatch Russell S 118 LA
2 Lonely Whistle Boyce F 118 L
3 Grand Rapport Dominguez R A 118 L
4 Paddy O'Prado Desormeaux K J 118 LA
5 Baryshnikov Leparoux J R 118 LA
6 Slews Answer Maragh R 118 LA
7 Pocket Patch Joyce J 118 LA
8 Bim Bam Gomez G K 118 LA



12th (6:16) Preakness S. (G1)

1 3/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Astrology Smith M E 126 LA 15-1
2 Norman Asbjornson Pimentel J 126 LA 30-1
3 King Congie Albarado R J 126 LA 20-1
4 Flashpoint Velasquez C 126 L 20-1
5 Shackleford Castanon J L 126 LA 12-1
6 Sway Away Gomez G K 126 LA 15-1
7 Midnight Interlude Garcia M 126 LA 15-1
8 Dance City Dominguez R A 126 LA 12-1
9 Mucho Macho Man Maragh R 126 LA 6-1
10 Dialed In Leparoux J R 126 LA 9-2
11 Animal Kingdom Velazquez J R 126 LA 2-1
12 Isn't He Perfect Prado E S 126 LA 30-1
13 Concealed Identity Russell S 126 LA 30-1
14 Mr. Commons Espinoza V 126 LA 20-1

Thunder Gulch 05-18-2011 04:21 PM

Flashpoint and Shackleford next to each other...wont' be 48.3 this go around.

tjfla 05-18-2011 04:22 PM

Speed at 4,5,8 hopefully we get a fast pace this time

slotdirt 05-18-2011 04:30 PM

A lot of folks thought there'd be pace a couple weeks ago. I hope the pace conjecture actually comes to fruition this time.

hockey2315 05-18-2011 07:23 PM

Looking at her competition, besides Shared Account, there isn't much in the race to take money, but I think Desert Sage is VERY good. She's this year's Aruna.

cakes44 05-19-2011 07:28 AM

Saratoga Red going against decent elders?

DWL sure is a desperate slut on TC days.

slotdirt 05-19-2011 07:34 AM

The Schaefer isn't such a bad little race, is it? As always, nice card on Preakness today. Unfortunately, I presume it will be the usual Preakness day chalkfest.

blackthroatedwind 05-19-2011 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 777308)
Looking at her competition, besides Shared Account, there isn't much in the race to take money, but I think Desert Sage is VERY good. She's this year's Aruna.

Seriously? Have you taken a close look at who she has beaten?

I think she's going to burn a LOT of money in subsequent starts. I understand given the overall quality of Saturday's race she may get a piece, and she was able to overcome dynamics last time, but she beat absolutely nothing. I understand how the pace affected the race but I still side with the poor field quality to judge her.

OldDog 05-19-2011 08:57 AM

I hope to see good races out of Life At Ten and Paddy O'Prado.

MisterB 05-19-2011 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 777308)
Looking at her competition, besides Shared Account, there isn't much in the race to take money, but I think Desert Sage is VERY good. She's this year's Aruna.

If you look at the race which will require a horse with a good late pace fig, DS towers over the field by 15 points. Coming off 2 wins is a good sign, not a bad sign. The money burner will be the fave. Sometimes people can't see beyond their finger tips.

blackthroatedwind 05-19-2011 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB (Post 777388)
If you look at the race which will require a horse with a good late pace fig, DS towers over the field by 15 points. Coming off 2 wins is a good sign, not a bad sign. The money burner will be the fave. Sometimes people can't see beyond their finger tips.

Yeah, what do I know. I sure haven't picked any winners lately.

Your posts should be followed by a disclaimer.

King Glorious 05-19-2011 09:39 AM

I like Dialed In to beat Midnight Interlude.

MisterB 05-19-2011 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 777389)
Yeah, what do I know. I sure haven't picked any winners lately.

Your posts should be followed by a disclaimer.

Why do you like to fight with people. "People" is not singular, it's plural. Fight with someone your own size.

blackthroatedwind 05-19-2011 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB (Post 777392)
Why do you like to fight with people. "People" is not singular, it's plural. Fight with someone your own size.

Oh please. You have now taken two BS shots as me recently. Don't play the victim with me.

Sorry, make that three.

MisterB 05-19-2011 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 777401)
Oh please. You have now taken two BS shots as me recently. Don't play the victim with me.

Sorry, make that three.

You are pathetic to think you are that important to me. Grow up for god sake.

Disclaimer is "Latley". Quit loving yourself.

blackthroatedwind 05-19-2011 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB (Post 777409)
You are pathetic to think you are that important to me. Grow up for god sake.

Disclaimer is "Latley". Quit loving yourself.

Yeah, you're clearly indifferent.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-19-2011 11:42 AM

iggy list grows again?:rolleyes:

cakes44 05-19-2011 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead (Post 777426)
iggy list grows again?:rolleyes:

I miss The Fat Man.

hockey2315 05-19-2011 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 777373)
Seriously? Have you taken a close look at who she has beaten?

I think she's going to burn a LOT of money in subsequent starts. I understand given the overall quality of Saturday's race she may get a piece, and she was able to overcome dynamics last time, but she beat absolutely nothing. I understand how the pace affected the race but I still side with the poor field quality to judge her.

Performing isn't terrible even though she's not overly classy - she won by 4 1/2 next out and then won one of the races on the big carryover day. . . but I agree - Desert Sage hasn't beaten much. I have a hard time tying her to the fields she ran against, though, because she beat them so easily and while coming home extremely quickly with less-than-advantageous set-ups. I refuse to swallow 4-5 on the very overrated Shared Account--even though she still towers over these on paper--and think there's enough of a chance that Desert Sage is as good as she looked to me visually to key her hard against the chalk. I guess I still have to use Shared Account, though. These races kind of suck compared to Churchill's Derby Day card. . .

jms62 05-19-2011 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 777428)
Performing isn't terrible even though she's not overly classy - she won by 4 1/2 next out and then won one of the races on the big carryover day. . . but I agree - Desert Sage hasn't beaten much. I have a hard time tying her to the fields she ran against, though, because she beat them so easily and while coming home extremely quickly with less-than-advantageous set-ups. I refuse to swallow 4-5 on the very overrated Shared Account--even though she still towers over these on paper--and think there's enough of a chance that Desert Sage is as good as she looked to me visually to key her hard against the chalk. I guess I still have to use Shared Account, though. These races kind of suck compared to Churchill's Derby Day card. . .

I charted the last 4 Preakness day cards and they were very chalky to the point of being almost unplayable. A few bombs hit last year but it was truly the exception... The Blackeyse Susan / Preakness double has paid well though.

blackthroatedwind 05-19-2011 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 777428)
Performing isn't terrible even though she's not overly classy - she won by 4 1/2 next out and then won one of the races on the big carryover day. . . but I agree - Desert Sage hasn't beaten much. I have a hard time tying her to the fields she ran against, though, because she beat them so easily and while coming home extremely quickly with less-than-advantageous set-ups. I refuse to swallow 4-5 on the very overrated Shared Account--even though she still towers over these on paper--and think there's enough of a chance that Desert Sage is as good as she looked to me visually to key her hard against the chalk. I guess I still have to use Shared Account, though. These races kind of suck compared to Churchill's Derby Day card. . .

I don't disagree that taking a short price on Shared Account is difficult. She's not as good as BC Turf Distaff should suggest. But she's still pretty good, and basically every race she ran last year towers over this field. Given the quality of this field, it seems a mistake to go fishing for horses that are simply very unlikely to beat her. All she has, theoretically, against her is the layoff. However, she ran well in this race last year off a layoff. Well enough, in fact, to easily handle this field.

RolloTomasi 05-19-2011 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 777390)
I like Dialed In to beat Midnight Interlude.

So do I.

Who do you think is going to win the race, though?

King Glorious 05-19-2011 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 777442)
So do I.

Who do you think is going to win the race, though?

LOL. I like Dialed In to win the race. I'm not sold on Animal Kingdom. I still think it's an inconsistent crop and they take turns beating each other. I think the pace will be more legitimate this time and if AK is up anywhere near where he was last time, it will take away a lot of his stretch kick and the race looks to set up well for a closer and in absence of any real ones, Dialed In is the one I chose.

ateamstupid 05-19-2011 08:26 PM

Obviously Paddy is the horse to beat in the Dixie, but if he missteps off the break, I think Baryshnikov has a big shot.

Dahoss 05-19-2011 08:41 PM

Quite an undercard for the Preakness...:rolleyes:

philcski 05-19-2011 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 777428)
Performing isn't terrible even though she's not overly classy - she won by 4 1/2 next out and then won one of the races on the big carryover day. . . but I agree - Desert Sage hasn't beaten much. I have a hard time tying her to the fields she ran against, though, because she beat them so easily and while coming home extremely quickly with less-than-advantageous set-ups. I refuse to swallow 4-5 on the very overrated Shared Account--even though she still towers over these on paper--and think there's enough of a chance that Desert Sage is as good as she looked to me visually to key her hard against the chalk. I guess I still have to use Shared Account, though. These races kind of suck compared to Churchill's Derby Day card. . .

I don't really understand why you think Desert Sage has any chance to win here. She was an absolute pig in Europe, gets the Chad Brown magic juice, and suddenly is a world beater?

philcski 05-19-2011 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 777586)
Quite an undercard for the Preakness...:rolleyes:

Yeah, it's pretty mediocre. I'm disappointed, not a whole lot of good betting races.

Dahoss 05-19-2011 09:19 PM

I don't think it's that crazy to try and beat Shared Account at what is going to be a really low price. It's not like she's some world beater and who's to say she's going to be the same horse she was last year, off the layoff?

I'm not going to go crazy trying to beat her, but I think No Explaining has a shot.

hockey2315 05-19-2011 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 777595)
I don't really understand why you think Desert Sage has any chance to win here. She was an absolute pig in Europe, gets the Chad Brown magic juice, and suddenly is a world beater?

She looks like a pretty obvious bleeder. . . not that I'm really concerned at all with her Euro form. Who cares if it was the Chad Brown juice (not that it is)? I was very impressed with her two starts at Gulfstream. . . I guess I'm the only person on the planet who was. That makes me happy. I'll still use some Shared Account and maybe a little No Explaining as a back-up.

Scav 05-19-2011 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 777603)
She looks like a pretty obvious bleeder. . . not that I'm really concerned at all with her Euro form. Who cares if it was the Chad Brown juice (not that it is)? I was very impressed with her two starts at Gulfstream. . . I guess I'm the only person on the planet who was. That makes me happy. I'll still use some Shared Account and maybe a little No Explaining as a back-up.

Please explain how you can tell if she is a bleeder from PP's

hockey2315 05-19-2011 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 777605)
Please explain how you can tell if she is a bleeder from PP's

Like I said - her Euro form has nothing to do with my opinion of her. . . But, are we to assume that when she lost by 101 1/4 lengths in her four most recent starts that she was running to the best of her ability? She came to the U.S. and hmmm all of a sudden she's better while getting Lasix.

Scav 05-19-2011 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 777606)
Like I said - her Euro form has nothing to do with my opinion of her. . . But, are we to assume that when she lost by 101 1/4 lengths in her four most recent starts that she was running to the best of her ability? She came to the U.S. and hmmm all of a sudden she's better while getting Lasix.

Dude, not knocking ya, but assuming she was a bleeder is not solid reasoning. Alot of horses bleed to different degrees.

How about she likes a firm course and maybe a cut back in distance.

I like her, No Explaining and Dyna Waltz equally. I like betting Sheppard's horses 2nd off the layoff and between May and September. Shared Account sucks, and far from good enough to give 10-12lbs away those fillies

hockey2315 05-19-2011 10:13 PM

I don't need solid reasoning, because I'm not evaluating her based on that form. . . Phil's comment that she was a "pig in Europe" just seemed sort of irrelevant to me, so that's why I mentioned that she's probably a bleeder. Here's an interesting quote from her trainer when they decided to run her in the Irish Oaks: "It's raining over there, and that's good for her."

Scav 05-19-2011 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 777609)
I don't need solid reasoning, because I'm not evaluating her based on that form. . . Phil's comment that she was a "pig in Europe" just seemed sort of irrelevant to me, so that's why I mentioned that she's probably a bleeder. Here's an interesting quote from her trainer when they decided to run her in the Irish Oaks: "It's raining over there, and that's good for her."

And trainers know EVERYTHING, and this filly then proceeds to get drilled on good-soft ground (Grade 1 though) and soft before they realized they need firmer ground.

I understand you tossing her euro form, but adding Lasix doesn't improve horses a billion lengths. Preferred ground and horses like Differentiate help.

philcski 05-19-2011 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 777609)
I don't need solid reasoning, because I'm not evaluating her based on that form. . . Phil's comment that she was a "pig in Europe" just seemed sort of irrelevant to me, so that's why I mentioned that she's probably a bleeder. Here's an interesting quote from her trainer when they decided to run her in the Irish Oaks: "It's raining over there, and that's good for her."

Maybe she's a bleeder- I think that's a reasonable assumption, I thought the same thing. But the very relevant fact is her maiden win over there was in one of the worst meets in GB, and against "real" competition she was noncompetitive. Now that she's won a decent N1X and a mediocre N2X she's supposed to step up and beat the FMT champ in a race with no pace? And improve 4-5 lengths more in the process to do so? Seems like a tall task for a horse that will be 5-1. I just don't see the point of even betting this race. It's truly terrible.

Dahoss 05-19-2011 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 777608)
Dude, not knocking ya, but assuming she was a bleeder is not solid reasoning. Alot of horses bleed to different degrees.

Assuming she was a bleeder isn't solid reasoning? But assuming her improvement was due to a firm surface is?

What is the difference between the two?

Merlinsky 05-19-2011 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 777522)
LOL. I like Dialed In to win the race. I'm not sold on Animal Kingdom. I still think it's an inconsistent crop and they take turns beating each other. I think the pace will be more legitimate this time and if AK is up anywhere near where he was last time, it will take away a lot of his stretch kick and the race looks to set up well for a closer and in absence of any real ones, Dialed In is the one I chose.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/05...-favorite.html

Baffert said he thought Animal Kingdom was a star, and he's just hoping Midnight Interlude can run second. I'm sure Bob will talk about his feelings about going against AK tomorrow on ATR. I know Steve Haskin's been hanging out at Fair Hill a lot, but Bob's not seen AK training as far as I know. Maybe someone gave him the skinny on the competition (possibly Haskin?), who knows. As Barry Irwin said "trust no one"--wait that was The X-Files, but the point still holds. "The truth is out there"...that's gotta be Barry--no, crap, X-Files again.

Scav 05-20-2011 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 777614)
Assuming she was a bleeder isn't solid reasoning? But assuming her improvement was due to a firm surface is?

What is the difference between the two?

As Phil noted, maybe she was a bleeder, she probably was, ALOT if not most horses bleed, and even some horses bleed through lasix.

I looked at it that she ran some decent races on a very firm turf course (nothing like she had ever seen over in Europe) and ran those races on a course that was very speed favoring.

I find that reasoning much more solid then Lasix moved the horse up. (And I know this wasn't his only reason but I don't understand the focus because Lasix is not some miracle drug)

slotdirt 05-20-2011 08:19 AM

Today is five years to the day since Barbaro's Preakness breadown. Truly a day at the track I'll never forget.

ellpol 05-20-2011 09:02 AM

Save your $$$ for the 13th race on Preakness day the 1 wire to wire on a good turf. The 12 post won't help though, but Edgar can get Leather Gloves out and over for Hammy Smith. I hope, that's my big bet for the day. Good luck to all.


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