Mr. President
 

Anyone else watching this on CBS, "Five years Later, are we safe"

How many times is she going to say Mr. President?

I just heard a clip, he was describing how we have obtained valuable information from the 14 high profile terrorists "We stopped a plot with airplanes, it was going to be on the West Coast, I think." I think, wtf??? What a complete moron...

That's what we get when we have a "C" student running the country pointgiven...

I don't think he was a "C" student. I think he went to Harvard Business School. You can't get in there if you are a "C" student. There's a lot of misinformation out there. I remember when he was running against Al Gore, their grades were actually shown on a news show. Bush was a better student than Gore, yet most people had no idea of that. People thought Gore was some great student.

Anyway, Bush certainly is not articulate but that doesn't mean that he's not a bright guy.

Well surely with your vasts amounts of knowledge, you are certianly capable of running the country, right??

I've read Kerry got 4 D's his freshman year.

S2S did better than that.

especially in poetic art studies!

Stud, you wanna know what stupid is?
Stupid someone who watched that interview and honestly believes that Bush didn't know the exact plans of the plot he referred to down to the last detail.
Really stupid is someone not understanding how intelligence works and thinking that Bush could just make more than a vague reference to that plot, in a manner exactly as he did it.
I remember the info about Bush and Gore, they also showed SAT scores and Bush had much, much higher scores.
Its kind of amazing that anyone could think hes dumb.

http://www.prospect.org/print-friend...r-p-01-27.html

Who says rich white guys don't benefit from affirmative action? ;)

Of course he knows the details. Kripes, I'd hope so.

I have zero qualms about doing what needs to be done as far as interrogation. None. Anyone who believes that interrogation of any POW is pleasant is, I believe, wrong, notwithstanding Geneva Conventions, etc.... If they're not "guilty," let them go. Otherwise....

My best friend of 40+ years is a Captain in the Army Reserves and just got furloughed after 18 months at Gitmo. He's coming to visit in a couple weeks and I know he will have stories to tell that he can't relate over the phone.

Bush is a bright, smart guy. A Yale and Harvard grad, what does it matter if hes a A,BC student. The guy running the whole show didnt even finish college (Rove). I had no problem with his answers to Katie Couric, except it just was too vague and reptitive at sometimes.

in any case cant stop the AL GORE TRAIN!!

GORE in 08!

I guess that makes me stupid, he really knew about all of those weapons of mass destruction, that worked out well...

I am not a die hard Conservative or Liberal, I go with what I think is best, sometimes I lean Liberal or sometimes Conservative, most of the time I would say Conservative. Anyone who votes strictly on party lines and doesn't look at both sides, is a complete moron in my book. I do not blame Bush for the terrorist attacks and I think how he handled Afghanistan afterward was great. I also think he did a good job with the Economy and some of the reforms for Financial Statements and increasing retirement contribution limits. However, I do not think we should have invaded Iraq.

I was listening to the radio on the way home from the gym this morning and I heard that quote, it was completely rediculous, I almost drove off of the road. Sure, it was just a cutout of the whole thing, but I couldn't believe I heard that. It sounded like he was making things up as he went along

I do not think he is stupid, but very embarrassing at times.

if we dont invade Iraq then Sadaam Hussein would still be in power, then what? I really dont give a **** if there was proof or not of WMD's. Fact is Hussein is out and rids the world of one less terror, and to think he had no ties with terrorists or had plans for some kind of evil plot, then your just not very bright.

Great that Saddam's out. I agree. I was just hoping we'd have gotten a bit more for our half-a-trillion bucks by now.

A bit of history...
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

I am not bright, this coming from a complete loser that pours his life out on an internet message board. I hope your stories are made up, because you might be one of the most pathetic people that ever lived. When you get a job, buy your own car, house and be worth over 6 figures with your own money, then you can talk to me, but until then, why don't you go lose some more of your daddy's money and sulk over some chick that saw you for the loser you are and dumped you...I am out of this thread, I don't usually discuss politics and I think I will stick to that philosophy...

that part we have no control over, no matter what is put into place that would say otherwise. As long as its in the "defense" of this country the resources are limitless.

you dont know anything man, thats just a little snippet of my life. I have a job, I dont have a car but since you wanna say how your worth 6 figures. Theres a BMW 7 series and mercedes ml 430 on the driveway that I can drive if and when I choose to drive. The money ive been losing isnt daddy's money its my money from my own savings, paycheck, and stock.

If you are not happy that Sadaam Hussein is out of power, then I dont know what to say to you

Do you own those cars?

**** you too

Where did I say I was worth over six figures? I never said I was, maybe I am, maybe not, I don't give out all of my personal info and my woes. I'll tell you this, I am 33, College Educated, been in a difficult profession for over 10 years, I have had a job of some form, since I was 11 years old...

well im 25 and crazy

Jerry,
You are 25 years old. Little kids go to grade school and say " My Daddy and Mommy have so and so". Those days should have been long gone.
Trying to argue that you are at a higher station in life by citing cars in the driveway of your parents home, where you still live at age 25, isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
I'm telling you the same thing that i have been telling you for over 3 years now. Grow up. Start taking responsibility for your own station in life and start being a man. Its long past time for those things to occur.

How the heck do you get around if you can't drive?

He takes the bus and gets driven around by his family. Thats why I find the citing of the cars in his driveway that he doesnt even own so ironic.
Been talking to him for three years now Stud. Its like banging your head against a concrete wall. Wall never budges, and your head hurts.

Stupid is thinking Bush could tell the truth if his life depended on it. I assume the interview cited in the following article is the one to which everyone is referring:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=36597

And I think you have Gore and Kerry confused on the SAT scores. But hey, no worries; Bush can't keep bin Laden and Hussein straight... ;) FYI, here's the respective scores for Bush and Gore:

Bush: Verbal: 566, Math: 640 (out of 800)
Gore: Verbal: 625, Math: 730 (out of 800)

... and I beat them both in Verbal, and Bush in Math. What does that say? (absolutely nothing, really. Fat lot of good it's done me. :) )

Which of course is not to call you stupid, Oracle, as I don't think you are (and wouldn't even if tortured. ;) ) I'm just a sucker for continuing a repetitive bit.

interesting. Despite being so smart ...how the heck did Gore manage to lose his home state? Only major party candidate for Prez ever to do that.

im still scratching my head over that one, to me its the equivlalent of Bush losing in Texas.

I know Bush wasn't a great student but I'm not sure he was as bad as they made him sound in that article. The author of the article clearly had an agenda and I don't think he had anything close to Bush's complete transcripts. I think they only had his grades from his freshman year. When I heard Bush's GPA reported on the news several years ago, my recollection is that his grades weren't too bad. I remember they said he had a higher GPA than Gore.

The guy who was a really poor student was John McCain. He graduated at the bottom of his class in college. I believe he attended the Naval Acadmey at Annapolis.

I figure it really doesn't matter what grades 60 year old people got. By that age, it doesn't matter, whatever their profession.

Oh, STS, one could write a tome on what Gore did wrong in his campaign. A veritable tome, I tell ya! He would have been well served not to take his home state for granted and actually campaigned there a little harder...

But I think there has also been a definite anti-intellectual bent in the nation for the past couple decades, (which is not good for our long-term dominance) and I think a lot of American voters don't want to vote for who they see as the smartest guy in the room-- they want to vote for the guy they think is like them. And I'm not sure how we, as a nation, address that. For all of our "kids need to do well in school" we sure don't make being an academic achiever socially acceptable, do we? Better to be the athlete or the drunk party guy if you want to have friends. What do you guys think? How do we address the anti-smarts thing the country seems to have going on?

Oh, Rupert, I think he was certainly an average student, not a bad one. I think the point the article was trying to make was not that he was stupid, but that average students don't get into Yale and Harvard Business School without connections, specifically, in the case of Yale, the legacy thing. The article's point was that one could say Bush, and other rich kids of rich Ivy League parents, benefit from a form of affirmative action (the legacy thing) which is why it's interesting to hear them come out against affirmative action as a policy.

(For the record, I don't think affirmative action based on race is the answer. I think that screws over a lot of poor white people who are getting stepped on by the wealthy as much as anybody. How about affirmative action based on income/assets?)

And yeah, even ten years out of college, who the f*ck cares where you went or what your grades were... doesn't matter by then...

Genuine Risk,
If you get a chance, you might want to pick up James Lovelock's newly released book. It's a best seller in Britain and was released in the US last month.
Lovelock is the scientist that discovered the causes for problems in the ozone layer, provided data to Rachel Carson, and has views that are disrespected...until they come to be reality.
His take is that discussing "politics" doesn't matter much. Time is short, and irreversible.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0465...01#reader-link

The smartest guy I knew in HS, last time I heard was selling shoes. It's what you DO with your intelligence that matters. There needs to be a balance between scholarship and real-world sense. Education costs a fortune these days and, in reality, does not guarantee success in business or personal life

Tim G,
I'm with you on that.
Here's a quote from Marcus Aurelius...
"Your life is what your thoughts make it."

See also: Proverbs 23:7

DTS

education does not equal intelligence. i am very well educated, that does not make me smart. if bush and cheney are not bright, what does that say about the opposition party that they have been running circles around for six years?

Right, and I don't think anyone would say Americans are naturally stupid-- look at all the guys who only know about politics what Fox news feeds them but can give you the batting order for their favorite team's last twenty games. It's not a lack of natural intelligence; it's a lack of intellectual curiousity, and I think that goes back to our country's current disdain for intellectual achievement. And I think to some extent, it contributes to Bush's past success. Americans aren't interested in pursuing intellectual topics and so they're happier getting a simpler message, which the Republicans are much, much better at framing. Did any of you read the full story behind Kerry's "I was for the war before I was against it" thing about his Iraq votes? When taken in context, his two votes make complete sense, but he couldn't articulate it simply and the opposition was happy to jump on it and make him "flip-flopper," which is simple and easy for people to grasp (never mind that Bush has done his share of flip-flopping).

I also, honestly, blame the media. Most media outlets are owned by big corporations, and if anyone thinks these corporations don't have a vital interest in keeping the Republicans and their system of corporate welfare in power, they're kidding themselves. TIME Magazine had a ton of stuff prior to the 2004 election that they refused to release because they "didn't want to influence the outcome." What? Isn't giving the American people all the facts, both good and bad the JOB of a news magazine?

And the Republicans are better at dictating the arguments. No question there. They're masters of it.

Wahahahahahahaha !!!!

What is your source for those numbers ... little AlGoreJr himself?

Hey ... this genius flunked out of divinity school ... yeah, flunked out ... of divinity school ...

... yeah ... it's a certainty that he got 1355 on the SAT's.

Wahahahahahahaha !!!!

You're really hot with the jokes tonight ... you're on fire.

Yeah ... CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, The New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Time, Newsweek, Reuters, AP, BBC, and Al Jazeeira ... are all Republican outlets.

Keep 'em coming ... I'm rollin' on the floor laughing my ankles off!