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Alan07 03-02-2011 03:11 PM

3/5 (SA): Big Cap, Kilroe Mile, SA Oaks (G1's), Clocker's Corner
 
4th (1:35) Santa Anita Oaks (G1)

1 1/16 Miles (Sand) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds | Purse: $250,000

1 May Day Rose M. Garcia 122 Lbs B. Baffert - L
2 Zazu J. Rosario 122 Lbs J. Sadler - L
3 Turbulent Descent D. Flores 122 Lbs M. Puype - L
4 Kilograeme G. Gomez 122 Lbs M. Mitchell - L
5 A Z Warrior R. Bejarano 122 Lbs B. Baffert - L



5th (2:07) Clocker's Corner H.

6 1/2 Furlongs (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 4 Year Olds And Up | Purse: $75,000

1 Bab At The Bowster (IRE) B. Blanc 115 Lbs B. Cecil - L
2 She's Cheeky J. Rosario 117 Lbs P. Eurton - L
3 Minute Limit (IRE) V. Espinoza 117 Lbs J. Sadler - L
4 Linda Lou M. Garcia 115 Lbs R. Mandella - L
5 Ash Zee D. Flores 117 Lbs N. Drysdale - L
6 Well Deserved P. Valenzuela 116 Lbs D. Hofmans - L
7 Reba Is Tops J. Talamo121 Lbs M. Glatt - L
8 Unzip Me R. Bejarano 125 Lbs M. Jones - L
9 Broken Dreams G. Gomez 118 Lbs T. Proctor Blk-On L



9th (4:53) Frank E. Kilroe Mile S. (G1)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up | Purse: $300,000

1 Liberian Freighter M. Garcia 118 Lbs N. Drysdale - L
2 Fluke (BRZ) R. Bejarano 118 Lbs H. Ascanio - L
3 Acclamation C. Santiago Reyes 120 Lbs D. Warren - L
4 Caracortado J. Talamo 118 Lbs M. Machowsky - L
5 Square Eddie J. Rosario 118 Lbs D. O'Neill - L
6 Sebastian Flyte (GB) G. Gomez 118 Lbs B. Cecil - L
7 Lieve (BRZ) C. Nakatani 118 Lbs A. Avila - L
8 Times Gone By V. Espinoza 118 Lbs R. Mandella - L
9 Jeranimo D. Flores 118 Lbs M. Pender - L
10 Gallant Son M. Smith 118 Lbs F. Lucarelli - L



10th (5:30) Santa Anita H. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (Sand) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up | Purse: $750,000

1 Soul Candy G. Gomez 114 Lbs P. Gallagher - L
2 Spurrier A. Quinonez 115 Lbs B. Baffert - L
3 Gladding R. Bejarano 117 Lbs J. Sadler - L
4 Pode Ir (BRZ) D. Flores 112 Lbs A. Avila - L
5 Twirling Candy J. Rosario 122 Lbs J. Sadler - L
6 Setsuko V. Espinoza 112 Lbs R. Mandella - L
7 Quindici Man M. Pedroza 115 Lbs C. Lewis - L
8 First Dude M. Garcia 116 Lbs B. Baffert - L
9 Tweebster M. Smith 116 Lbs B. Baffert - L
10 Aggie Engineer J. Talamo 118 Lbs P. Gallagher - L
11 Game On Dude No Boy 115 Lbs B. Baffert - L

herkhorse 03-02-2011 04:16 PM

Can't they just call it dirt?, or do they always have to be different in Kalifornia.

RolloTomasi 03-02-2011 07:56 PM

I guess Reba Is Top's retirement was only for a couple of weeks.

Scav 03-02-2011 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 757541)
I guess Reba Is Top's retirement was only for a couple of weeks.

There is a DRF article about why, all the owners weren't there last time and the bad winter in the Midwest delayed her shipping.

Being bred to Broken Vow, not sure why.

randallscott35 03-02-2011 08:32 PM

The old 5 horse Grade 1 in Cali. Just close the place.

RolloTomasi 03-02-2011 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 757544)
The old 5 horse Grade 1 in Cali. Just close the place.

At least 3 of the 5 are Grade 1 winners (on paper anyways).

Plus, this is a big field for May Day Rose. She won her graded stakes in a 3-horse field.

Rounding out the field is Kilograeme, who upset Rumor (conspicuously absent here) in her last start. Rumor once scratched out of a race against colts.

Kasept 03-02-2011 08:42 PM

2011 Santa Anita Handicap Morning Line by Jon White

1. Soul Candy (30-1)
2. Spurrier (15-1)
3. Gladding (6-1)
4. Pode Ir (50-1)
5. Twirling Candy (4-5)
6. Setsuko (30-1)
7. Quindici Man (30-1)
8. First Dude (5-1)
9. Tweebster (15-1)
10. Aggie Engineer (6-1)
11. Game On Dude (15-1)

RockHardTen1985 03-02-2011 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 757546)
2011 Santa Anita Handicap Morning Line by Jon White

1. Soul Candy (30-1)
2. Spurrier (15-1)
3. Gladding (6-1)
4. Pode Ir (50-1)
5. Twirling Candy (4-5)
6. Setsuko (30-1)
7. Quindici Man (30-1)
8. First Dude (5-1)
9. Tweebster (15-1)
10. Aggie Engineer (6-1)
11. Game On Dude (15-1)

15-1 on Game On Dude is CRAZY.

letswastemoney 03-02-2011 09:22 PM

4-5 on Twirling Candy is crazy

herkhorse 03-03-2011 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 757547)
15-1 on Game On Dude is CRAZY.

I think GOD can come out of the clouds here.

pucknut 03-03-2011 08:14 AM

first dude out of the stable even a blind squirrel finds an acorn cross bred with even a blind pig can find a truffle from the bloodline in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king
saturday he tastes victory

cakes44 03-03-2011 10:10 AM

As much as I hated Square Eddie in the Donn, I think he actually has a shot in here.

Thoroughbred Fan 03-03-2011 02:26 PM

Times Gone By.....WRITE IT DOWN!

my miss storm cat 03-03-2011 04:14 PM

Scarface wins the Kilroe and, while I'm rooting for Quindici Man (oh shut up I'm not braindead. I know he has no shot poor guy) in the Big Cap (and I know how good Twirling Candy is, don't get me wrong) I think Aggie Engineer is gonna be sneaky good here.

RolloTomasi 03-03-2011 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 757740)
Scarface wins the Kilroe

Everyone is getting off Jeranimo because of his last, just as they were annointing him a turf "freak" after pummeling The Usual QT in the San Gabriel. Seems like he'll be a square number relative to the other two main contenders, Caracortado and Fluke.

freddymo 03-03-2011 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 757799)
Everyone is getting off Jeranimo because of his last, just as they were annointing him a turf "freak" after pummeling The Usual QT in the San Gabriel. Seems like he'll be a square number relative to the other two main contenders, Caracortado and Fluke.

Shouldn't you be working on your Twirling Candy disclaimers? "he beat this , he beat that" I have a feeling Sadler whispered into Mr. Wygod's ear to pony up 5 mil. Hey he can always go back to the claim box if he is wrong?

RolloTomasi 03-03-2011 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 757802)
Shouldn't you be working on your Twirling Candy disclaimers? "he beat this , he beat that" I have a feeling Sadler whispered into Mr. Wygod's ear to pony up 5 mil. Hey he can always go back to the claim box if he is wrong?

Now who's trolling, you idiot?

And yes, I do have the high ground on this one. Twirling Candy is facing absolute filth Saturday. So if he wins, we probably will learning nothing more than we already know about him.

And yet, something tells me that if First Dude does his job (perhaps ironically with an assist from Gladding), he will leave the great Twirling Candy vulnerable to some Wagon Limit wannabe like Spurrier or Setsuko.

freddymo 03-04-2011 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 757813)
Now who's trolling, you idiot?

And yes, I do have the high ground on this one. Twirling Candy is facing absolute filth Saturday. So if he wins, we probably will learning nothing more than we already know about him.

And yet, something tells me that if First Dude does his job (perhaps ironically with an assist from Gladding), he will leave the great Twirling Candy vulnerable to some Wagon Limit wannabe like Spurrier or Setsuko.

I knew I could get you to include Setsuko in some Miracle on 34th st. scenario. Of course I was trolling, you can't catch a fish without a net.

RockHardTen1985 03-04-2011 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 757550)
4-5 on Twirling Candy is crazy

I would have made TC 8-5 ML and almost everyone else a bit lower.

randallscott35 03-04-2011 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 757897)
I would have made TC 8-5 ML and almost everyone else a bit lower.

Not 3/2?

Scav 03-04-2011 07:42 PM

TG Race of the Week
 
http://www.thorograph.com/ROTW/20110...0305r10_11.pdf

Have to say I agree with him. Twirling Candy = Toss

Give me some First Dude and a little of Setsucko in this race.

knickslions2 03-04-2011 08:16 PM

Candy man Can...give me the Candy exacta

King Glorious 03-05-2011 03:40 PM

Going with AZ Warrior over Turbulent Descent in an upset.

Caracortado over Fluke.

Game On Dude to beat Gladding with Twirling Candy third. I think that if Sadler was as confident as he seems with TC, he would direct the owner of Gladding to look for a win elsewhere. TC's best crushes these though. Watch First Dude now finally get the light bulb to go off and take them wire to wire. Nah. Game On Dude for the win.

Betsy 03-05-2011 03:45 PM

TD won, but Zazu was getting to her. I didn't think it was a bad performance from AZ considering she'd not run since the BC............

King Glorious 03-05-2011 03:46 PM

I was very impressed by Turbulent Descent here. That was a nice acceleration to move to the leaders. She got a little late at the end but was still running pretty well, Zazu was just running faster. That tactical speed is going to come in handy for Turbulent Descent this year. She's got a really bright future and this race should really set her up well for the next one. I wasn't a fan of this one before today but I am now.

King Glorious 03-05-2011 04:04 PM

Very interesting comments from Turbulent Descent's trainer, saying that 8.5f was her max and that he'd be looking to cut back in distance and that the Kentucky Oaks is not on the horizon for her. Watching it and considering her running style, I would have thought that this race would benefit her big time and set her up perfectly for 9f but he says that's not the case and what had her shortening stride was the distance and not her conditioning. I'd have to think they may end up sending her to Belmont and seeing if the one-turn can help her get 9f.

ateamstupid 03-05-2011 05:54 PM

I hope Twirling Candy wins, because if any of these other mules win, they might as well stop running ten-furlong stakes other than the Derby and Classic.

Indian Charlie 03-05-2011 05:59 PM

That's the spirit!!!

ateamstupid 03-05-2011 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 758417)
That's the spirit!!!

I don't like being Debbie Downer, but the Big Cap has fallen off harder than any race in the past decade.

Indian Charlie 03-05-2011 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 758419)
I don't like being Debbie Downer, but the Big Cap has fallen off harder than any race in the past decade.

Agreed.

I'd put it more at about 15-20 years since it mattered.

I now call it the Big Crap.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-05-2011 06:39 PM

A lot of things have hurt this race especially...

* Dubai World Cup (first edition '96)

* The breed as a whole becoming more precocious and having a lot less stamina and durability. Few good horses really want to go 10fs unless the pace is a crawl.

* The fall off in Southern California horse racing (In the 90's - racing was unquestionably better on the So. Cal circuit than anywhere else.)

* The addition of synthetic race tracks more recently.

At least the last reason is gone.

Indian Charlie 03-05-2011 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 758433)

* The fall off in Southern California horse racing (In the 90's - racing was unquestionably better on the So. Cal circuit than anywhere else.)

.

Did you really just say that???

cakes44 03-05-2011 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 758438)
Did you really just say that???

I would agree with it.

Indian Charlie 03-05-2011 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 758439)
I would agree with it.

Yeah, cause it's obvious.

Back in the late 90's, we used to argue that very point ad nauseum.

I wonder what happened in ten years to make him realize he was wrong back then.

cakes44 03-05-2011 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 757605)
As much as I hated Square Eddie in the Donn, I think he actually has a shot in here.

I'm so $$ I don't even know it.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-05-2011 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 758440)
Yeah, cause it's obvious.

Back in the late 90's, we used to argue that very point ad nauseum.

I wonder what happened in ten years to make him realize he was wrong back then.

Because of shippers - racing was a touch better at Saratoga VS Del Mar and Belmont Fall Championship VS Oak Tree ... this you would never seem to concede.

In terms of which year-round circuit was the best... obviously So. Cal by far. They completely owned the winter.

ateamstupid 03-05-2011 07:18 PM

Nice trip Twirling Candy had.

Indian Charlie 03-05-2011 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 758445)
Nice trip Twirling Candy had.

Wowee.

This could be awhile.

Indian Charlie 03-05-2011 07:21 PM

Gotta think GOD is coming down.

Some really bright race riding in that race!


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