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joeydb 02-22-2011 01:17 PM

We need a "No Sail Zone" near Somalia
 
Anything that sails into that region gets sunk by our submarines, and then you'll see the piracy dry up.

It's a disgrace that four Americans who were 300 miles from Somalia got kidnapped and executed.

jms62 02-22-2011 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 755257)
Anything that sails into that region gets sunk by our submarines, and then you'll see the piracy dry up.

It's a disgrace that four Americans who were 300 miles from Somalia got kidnapped and executed.

I hear what you are saying and it is a terrible shame but pragmatically speaking; who is going to pay for this escort service?

joeydb 02-22-2011 01:40 PM

Oh, the companies shipping are already being escorted. Whether or to what extent they are paying I am not sure of. The Russian and Chinese navies are also escorting some of the traffic so there is a multinational task force escorting (some) shipping.

I saw this as a separate seek and destroy effort to actually make the pirates absorb heavy losses for their actions. It is even easier to sink ships in a region than to shoot aircraft out of the sky that is unauthorized in a "No Fly Zone" situation. The pirates would be outgunned and due to our military superiority, I expect almost no casualties on our side.

jms62 02-22-2011 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 755262)
Oh, the companies shipping are already being escorted. Whether or to what extent they are paying I am not sure of. The Russian and Chinese navies are also escorting some of the traffic so there is a multinational task force escorting (some) shipping.

I saw this as a separate seek and destroy effort to actually make the pirates absorb heavy losses for their actions. It is even easier to sink ships in a region than to shoot aircraft out of the sky that is unauthorized in a "No Fly Zone" situation. The pirates would be outgunned and due to our military superiority, I expect almost no casualties on our side.

So you and I would be paying for this extra effort? Do we lose our right to bitch about Obama putting us further into debt by us funding this extra curricular Military activity? Or is the cost a drop in the bucket in the big picture? How many drops until the bucket runneth over?

SOREHOOF 02-22-2011 01:57 PM

Terrible thing that happened, but those are dangerous waters.The U.S. Navy, unfortunately, has more important things to do than escort pleasure boaters who know the risks associated with traveling in that area.

jms62 02-22-2011 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 755267)
Terrible thing that happened, but those are dangerous waters.The U.S. Navy, unfortunately, has more important things to do than escort pleasure boaters who know the risks associated with traveling in that area.

Ding Ding Ding:$::$:

joeydb 02-22-2011 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 755265)
So you and I would be paying for this extra effort? Do we lose our right to bitch about Obama putting us further into debt by us funding this extra curricular Military activity? Or is the cost a drop in the bucket in the big picture? How many drops until the bucket runneth over?

We'll just cut welfare to pay for it.

randallscott35 02-22-2011 02:13 PM

No we need a "Kill Pirates Zone" where we proactively annihilate these mofos.

SOREHOOF 02-22-2011 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 755272)
We'll just cut welfare to pay for it.

Let's just cut welfare anyway!

jms62 02-22-2011 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 755279)
Let's just cut welfare anyway!

What do you think the consequence of cutting welfare to be?

SOREHOOF 02-22-2011 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 755282)
What do you think the consequence of cutting welfare to be?

Some Americans will do the jobs that Liberals are giving them an excuse not to do.

SOREHOOF 02-22-2011 02:41 PM

I didn't say cut it completely, just weed out the scammers. I know some people need help. There are more "Octomom" types than people want to admit.

jms62 02-22-2011 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 755283)
Some Americans will do the jobs that Liberals are giving them an excuse not to do.

How about what probably will happpen, not what we would like to happen. A much higher crime rate.

joeydb 02-22-2011 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 755283)
Some Americans will do the jobs that Liberals are giving them an excuse not to do.

I like the way you think Hoof...good stuff.

joeydb 02-22-2011 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 755287)
How about what probably will happpen, not what we would like to happen. A much higher crime rate.

That's why that Second Amendment is there. Gun up and protect your family and your stuff.

jms62 02-22-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 755292)
That's why that Second Amendment is there. Gun up and protect your family and your stuff.

You going to gun up your kids and your parents too and hope to hell it works out or just guard them 24x7?

SOREHOOF 02-22-2011 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 755287)
How about what probably will happpen, not what we would like to happen. A much higher crime rate.

Are you saying that people on welfare are more prone to engage in criminal activities? That's sure what it sounded like. I've had my income cut off more than once and I didn't turn to a life of crime.

jms62 02-22-2011 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 755303)
Are you saying that people on welfare are more prone to engage in criminal activities? That's sure what it sounded like. I've had my income cut off more than once and I didn't turn to a life of crime.

I'm saying that a good number of people on welfare are at the end of their rope and probably are paycheck to paycheck with no backup. You probably had some backup. Put yourself in a position where you have no money, no backup a family to feed. Pretty desperate no? Now multiply that by the number of people having their welfare taken away according to your master plan. Are you saying NONE of them will resort to criminal activity? If you are you are very very naive. If I were put in that situation I can't say with all honesty that I wouldn't resort to criminal activity.

Honu 02-22-2011 03:37 PM

Cut off all aid. Yeah I know the poor starving people and all that bull shitz, screw em until their corrupt, inept government does something about these azzholes. Enough is enough we should just send them some napalm care packages....... they contribute nothing to the rest of the world.

clyde 02-22-2011 03:49 PM

Honula's are like wasps...they are born nasty.

Coach Pants 02-22-2011 03:50 PM

I don't see the problem. Douchers lived life to the fullest so they could brag about doing something most people won't do. Unfortunately for them they'll never know why most people don't sail in dangerous places.

Thanks Darwin.

jms62 02-22-2011 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 755303)
Are you saying that people on welfare are more prone to engage in criminal activities? That's sure what it sounded like. I've had my income cut off more than once and I didn't turn to a life of crime.

Here is a study of Crime and shows the increase in crime later in the month after welfare checks are delivered. What do you think will happen if there were no checks at all? I'm sure you think I am a bleeding heart liberal I couldn't be further from it. But I do know that every action has a reaction and there is something called the law of law of unintended consequences.
There are no binary solutions. to issues of this nature.

http://www.people.hbs.edu/ffoley/Crime.pdf

SOREHOOF 02-22-2011 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 755307)
I'm saying that a good number of people on welfare are at the end of their rope and probably are paycheck to paycheck with no backup. You probably had some backup. Put yourself in a position where you have no money, no backup a family to feed. Pretty desperate no? Now multiply that by the number of people having their welfare taken away according to your master plan. Are you saying NONE of them will resort to criminal activity? If you are you are very very naive. If I were put in that situation I can't say with all honesty that I wouldn't resort to criminal activity.

My master plan will boot able bodied scammers off the trough, not people in true need of assistance. They are already robbing people by scamming welfare in the first place. Middle class, and wealthy people account for as much, or more crime than the so-called poor.

Riot 02-22-2011 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 755283)
Some Americans will do the jobs that Liberals are giving them an excuse not to do.

Nonsense. The unemployed causing the elevated rate are workers - not freeloaders. Don't apply what makes up the base unemployment rate to everyone who is unemployed now.

Riot 02-22-2011 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 755282)
What do you think the consequence of cutting welfare to be?

Why, all those hundreds of thousands of people will magically and suddenly start working, at those hundreds of thousands of unfilled jobs that are making the classified section of the newspaper five inches thick.

There are so many jobs available today, people are offering premium wages in an attempt to be competitive with trying to keep a house, a car, and a family of four alive on $280 a week. Nobody wants to give up that gravy train.

jms62 02-22-2011 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 755319)
My master plan will boot able bodied scammers off the trough, not people in true need of assistance. They are already robbing people by scamming welfare in the first place. Middle class, and wealthy people account for as much, or more crime than the so-called poor.

My Master Plan is to hit a 20.00 Super Bet on the Derby.... Just like your plan the devil is in the details and the chances of executing are virtually nil. How would you implement your master plan without spending more of our tax dollars than you are going to save?

AeWingnut 02-22-2011 04:00 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUTHktI8kJA

SOREHOOF 02-22-2011 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 755320)
Nonsense. The unemployed causing the elevated rate are workers - not freeloaders. Don't apply what makes up the base unemployment rate to everyone who is unemployed now.

I wasn't generalizing. I was very specific. SCAMMERS. Welfare is not "Unemployment Ins".

Coach Pants 02-22-2011 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 755323)
Why, all those hundreds of thousands of people will magically and suddenly start working, at those hundreds of thousands of unfilled jobs that are making the classified section of the newspaper five inches thick.

There are so many jobs available today, people are offering premium wages in an attempt to be competitive with trying to keep a house, a car, and a family of four alive on $280 a week. Nobody wants to give up that gravy train.

And this is where the topic of death panels should come into play. If a person refuses to get fixed when they go on welfare then they should be put to sleep.

But like any serious issue in this country it will be swept aside. The next generation can deal with it.

Isn't that right, you old f.ucks? Thanks for the energy policy. GG

Riot 02-22-2011 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 755326)
I wasn't generalizing. I was very specific. SCAMMERS.

That's what I wanted to find out from Wing, that he didn't answer - Illinois, many years back, put a time limit on someone's ability to collect welfare. Like 2 years or something. Wonder if it's still in effect.

I wonder about people like Congresswoman and Tea Party queen Michelle Bachmann, who raised 23 foster kids - that alot of monthly government checks, combined with her government farms subsidies.

Coach Pants 02-22-2011 04:06 PM

I would be shocked if there wasn't more than 20 loopholes for that in Illinois.

It's amazing how intelligent some of these welfare recipients are...Morty excluded.

AeWingnut 02-22-2011 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 755328)
And this is where the topic of death panels should come into play. If a person refuses to get fixed when they go on welfare then they should be put to sleep.

But like any serious issue in this country it will be swept aside. The next generation can deal with it.

Isn't that right, you old f.ucks? Thanks for the energy policy. GG

the one where the EPA decided that Carbon Dioxide was a pollutant or that we cannot build nuke plants, oil refineries or drill?

Coach Pants 02-22-2011 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut (Post 755331)
the one where the EPA decided that Carbon Dioxide was a pollutant or that we cannot build nuke plants, oil refineries or drill?

:tro:

Riot 02-22-2011 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut (Post 755331)
the one where the EPA decided that Carbon Dioxide was a pollutant or that we cannot build nuke plants, oil refineries or drill?

Don't worry, the GOP is about to strip the EPA of their ability to regulate anything. You'll have acid rain and poisonous water back before you can say "liberals suck".

AeWingnut 02-22-2011 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut (Post 755325)

gold jerry gold

Coach Pants 02-22-2011 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 755334)
Don't worry, the GOP is about to strip the EPA of their ability to regulate anything. You'll have acid rain and poisonous water back before you can say "liberals suck".

India and China are going to choke everyone out. Go throw those histrionics on them.

SOREHOOF 02-22-2011 04:16 PM

Instead of building High Speed Rail Systems we should start building prisons because the coming crime wave from the Federal Govt, along with the States, going bankrupt will fill them in a hurry. You can only print so much money before you run out of paper.

Coach Pants 02-22-2011 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 755342)
Instead of building High Speed Rail Systems we should start building prisons because the coming crime wave from the Federal Govt, along with the States, going bankrupt will fill them in a hurry. You can only print so much money before you run out of paper.

Completely disagree.

The prison system needs to be cut drastically. Some states are actually paying private companies 10-25% more than what it would cost the state to run a prison.

Less prisons, More common sense on non-violent offenders.

joeydb 02-22-2011 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 755346)
Completely disagree.

The prison system needs to be cut drastically. Some states are actually paying private companies 10-25% more than what it would cost the state to run a prison.

Less prisons, More common sense on non-violent offenders.

And more capital punishment...not with mandatory appeals and 30 year delays. Sentence carried out next month.

clyde 02-22-2011 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 755330)
I would be shocked if there wasn't more than 20 loopholes for that in Illinois.

It's amazing how intelligent some of these welfare recipients are...Morty excluded.

^^^^ is on welfare....of course!


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