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freddymo 02-16-2011 12:09 PM

90 Days for Dutrow; ARCI calls for license revocation
 
http://www.drf.com/news/dutrow-given...wo-infractions

Maybe the horse had a migraine problem? Needles in the barns what's wrong with that? Maybe the vet dropped one on the floor and forgot to pick it up. They are picking on the poor guy. FREE DUTROW

randallscott35 02-16-2011 12:21 PM

Good effort by NYRA catching him. :)

Princess Doreen 02-16-2011 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 752935)
Good effort by NYRA catching him. :)

He's under the light of a very heavy candle. Wish they applied it across the board.

randallscott35 02-16-2011 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 752938)
He's under the light of a very heavy candle. Wish they applied it across the board.

I wasn't being serious.

MaTH716 02-16-2011 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 752938)
He's under the light of a very heavy candle. Wish they applied it across the board.

What's that mean? Are you implying that NYRA only scrutinizes certain trainers/barns?

Coach Pants 02-16-2011 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 752942)
What's that mean? Are you implying that NYRA only scrutinizes certain trainers/barns?

She's accusing NYRA of replacing detectives with dobes. We all know dobes have heart problems.

Princess Doreen 02-16-2011 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 752982)
She's accusing NYRA of replacing detectives with dobes. We all know dobes have heart problems.

That's actually pretty funny - something different for you.

Coach Pants 02-16-2011 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 752984)
That's actually pretty funny - something different for you.

Feel free to use it at the Senior Rec Center's St. Patty's Day party.

Clip-Clop 02-16-2011 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 752982)
She's accusing NYRA of replacing detectives with dobes. We all know dobes have heart problems.

That is priceless, excellent use of crossover.

HaloWishingwell 02-16-2011 03:11 PM

Dutrow In Mid Season Form
 
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...wo-infractions

scat daddy 02-17-2011 09:21 AM

Ge...what a shock...this reminds me of an old vinyl record with a big scratch that keeps skipping and repeating...but heck he gave us Big Brown right!

Scat

MaTH716 02-17-2011 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 752938)
He's under the light of a very heavy candle. Wish they applied it across the board.

Still no explination? Interesting.

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-17-2011 09:31 AM

'im workin' on it babe'

MaTH716 02-17-2011 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead (Post 753381)
'im workin' on it babe'

Are you "Just Sayin" that?

Princess Doreen 02-17-2011 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 753380)
Still no explination? Interesting.

I thought it was a rhetorical question. Read into it what you will.

MaTH716 02-17-2011 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 753387)
I thought it was a rhetorical question. Read into it what you will.

Ok fine, so it was a baseless accusation that lacks any kind of credible information.

I could live with that.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-17-2011 10:21 AM

And speaking of great juice trainers ....

I'm considering using Janet Del Castillo's horse in the 2nd at Tampa today in a P3 spread. Since I pretty much never play 'all' ... I doubt I've ever used her before.

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-17-2011 10:23 AM

he should get a cobra venom type ban ..1 year for the entire usa

The Indomitable DrugS 02-17-2011 12:01 PM

That was a terrible break for Del Castillo!! The only debuter in the race (a 6-year-old first time starter with a 4-for-100 jock up) dueled with her up front and put her away.

Del Castillo's horse ended up 3rd at 17/1 and would have won laughing without that debuter in there. Her losing streak is sure to reach Joe Dimaggio proportions now.

Scav 02-17-2011 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 752923)
http://www.drf.com/news/dutrow-given...wo-infractions

Maybe the horse had a migraine problem? Needles in the barns what's wrong with that? Maybe the vet dropped one on the floor and forgot to pick it up. They are picking on the poor guy. FREE DUTROW

lol

HaloWishingwell 02-17-2011 07:33 PM

Those in charge are afraid to slap him with a large suspension or ban with fear of the public's response to horse racing. It already has it's doubters of races being fixed. Imagine the thoughts involving a Derby winning trainer.

MaTH716 02-17-2011 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell (Post 753624)
Those in charge are afraid to slap him with a large suspension or ban with fear of the public's response to horse racing. It already has it's doubters of races being fixed. Imagine the thoughts involving a Derby winning trainer.

Don't worry, most of the people who follow the sport aren't suprised and won't be phased by this news. As far as the rest of the public goes this wasn't the Derby Preakness or Belmont, so nobody will care because nobody is paying any attention.

Kasept 02-17-2011 09:37 PM

ARCI President Ed Martin calling for NY to further review Dutrow's overall viability as a licensee.

http://www.arci.com/nysrwbletter.pdf

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-17-2011 09:39 PM

good for him :tro::tro::tro:

Coach Pants 02-17-2011 09:44 PM

"Guys, guys! We can't suspend Dutrow for cheating! Think about it! We'll lose the idiots who still gamble on our sport! I don't know about you, but I'm a slapdick. I don't care about this sport or its future. I've got 8 years until retirement and god-damnit I am going to pass the buck on this one to the next guy. All I care about is myself. And when it comes down to it that's what all of us are about. So is Dick. Hell you live right down the street from him, Chet. Do you want to look at him from a distance and see that he has gone from 8 classic cars to 6? What kind of neighbor would you be?

So it's settled? Pass the buck like most of the rulers and businessmen in this country have done since WWII? F.uck these young kids. All in favor, say GREED"

randallscott35 02-18-2011 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 753686)
ARCI President Ed Martin calling for NY to further review Dutrow's overall viability as a licensee.

http://www.arci.com/nysrwbletter.pdf

Chances Steve?

1%...or 2.

randallscott35 02-18-2011 12:14 PM

http://www.drf.com/news/racing-group...utrows-license

GBBob 02-18-2011 12:36 PM

In the late 1980s, when Dutrow first tried to go out on his own, the board ruled him off New York Racing Association tracks for five years after he tested positive for marijuana.

Five years for something that very likely won't affect the outcome of a race, but basically a wrist slap for drugging horses and cheating?

Oh..but that's right..they are out to get him:rolleyes:

Kasept 02-18-2011 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 753825)
Chances Steve?

1%...or 2.

If NYS RWB thought they could revoke licenses of recitivists without a protracted legal battle, they probably would. But as Chuck has previously pointed out, no state is going to be interested in costly court cases because the commission (or similar entity) does not have the necessary budget. And legal battles would result because as in this situation as an example, and as in so many of them, the medication in question has dual usage both positively as a medication and negatively as a performance enhancer.

It is to ARCI's credit that they are trying to draw a line in the sand, but as is the broad case in racing, they haven't the teeth with which to leave a mark on Dutrow's hide. ARCI isn't the entity that would be involved in the dispute that would result from an attempt by RWB to rule Dutrow off NY tracks. The best most jurisdictions can do is apply the maximum penalties/suspensions for the offenses and hope that at some point the taint of them would shame owners from wanting to be involved with the oft-penalized parties.

jms62 02-18-2011 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 753843)
If NYS RWB thought they could revoke licenses of recitivists without a protracted legal battle, they probably would. But as Chuck has previously pointed out, no state is going to be interested in costly court cases because the commission (or similar entity) does not have the necessary budget. And legal battles would result because as in this situation as an example, and as in so many of them, the medication in question has dual usage both positively as a medication and negatively as a performance enhancer.

It is to ARCI's credit that they are trying to draw a line in the sand, but as is the broad case in racing, they haven't the teeth with which to leave a mark on Dutrow's hide. ARCI isn't the entity that would be involved in the dispute that would result from an attempt by RWB to rule Dutrow off NY tracks. The best most jurisdictions can do is apply the maximum penalties/suspensions for the offenses and hope that at some point the taint of them would shame owners from wanting to be involved with the oft-penalized parties.

Steve what are your thoughts on banning all his horses currently under training from racing in the jurisdiction for the length of the suspension. This will cause owners to put pressure on trainers to play by the rules. Now its a farce as he will hand his string off to an assistant.

randallscott35 02-18-2011 01:20 PM

Interesting Steve, so mainly a legal bills hurdle among other things.

Duvalier 02-18-2011 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 753843)
The best most jurisdictions can do is apply the maximum penalties/suspensions for the offenses and hope that at some point the taint of them would shame owners from wanting to be involved with the oft-penalized parties.

How about what happened with Ziadie down at Calder? Why does it seem like that was an isolated case and no other race tracks look to do it?

Cannon Shell 02-18-2011 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 753843)
If NYS RWB thought they could revoke licenses of recitivists without a protracted legal battle, they probably would. But as Chuck has previously pointed out, no state is going to be interested in costly court cases because the commission (or similar entity) does not have the necessary budget. And legal battles would result because as in this situation as an example, and as in so many of them, the medication in question has dual usage both positively as a medication and negatively as a performance enhancer.

It is to ARCI's credit that they are trying to draw a line in the sand, but as is the broad case in racing, they haven't the teeth with which to leave a mark on Dutrow's hide. ARCI isn't the entity that would be involved in the dispute that would result from an attempt by RWB to rule Dutrow off NY tracks. The best most jurisdictions can do is apply the maximum penalties/suspensions for the offenses and hope that at some point the taint of them would shame owners from wanting to be involved with the oft-penalized parties.

What the state could do is simply refuse to renew his license when it expires. There surely is grounds to do so and plenty of precedent. The state could easily argue its case using the plethora of examples from the Harness business that they have refused to license. While not every state would be required to reciprocate it would probably be more effective than the current situation.

Cannon Shell 02-18-2011 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 753846)
Steve what are your thoughts on banning all his horses currently under training from racing in the jurisdiction for the length of the suspension. This will cause owners to put pressure on trainers to play by the rules. Now its a farce as he will hand his string off to an assistant.

For multiple repeat offenders this should be a valid option IMO.

Cannon Shell 02-18-2011 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 753850)
How about what happened with Ziadie down at Calder? Why does it seem like that was an isolated case and no other race tracks look to do it?

There was a lot of that story that was not made public. But needless to say most trainers wont be as bold or stupid as he was.

freddymo 02-18-2011 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 753942)
What the state could do is simply refuse to renew his license when it expires. There surely is grounds to do so and plenty of precedent. The state could easily argue its case using the plethora of examples from the Harness business that they have refused to license. While not every state would be required to reciprocate it would probably be more effective than the current situation.

You refuse Dutrow then you had better be willing to refuse TAP and Assumussen because there playbook has just as my issues.

Cannon Shell 02-18-2011 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 753946)
You refuse Dutrow then you had better be willing to refuse TAP and Assumussen because there playbook has just as my issues.

Dutrow has a far more ...uh..."checkered" past with the NYSRWB.

freddymo 02-18-2011 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 753948)
Dutrow has a far more ...uh..."checkered" past with the NYSRWB.

These are body of work issues from years of different violations. You are suggesting the death penalty for an offense that calls for a 60 day penalty. So if you set precident you had better make sure that you mean it and you are willing to defend it.

BTW I am not defending the guy but this is america

Cannon Shell 02-18-2011 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 753950)
These are body of work issues from years of different violations. You are suggesting the death penalty for an offense that calls for a 60 day penalty. So if you set precident you had better make sure that you mean it and you are willing to defend it.

BTW I am not defending the guy but this is america

I am not suggesting anything of the sort. A professional license comes with qualifications. What I am suggesting is that his repeated breaking of the rules could disqualify him for eligibility for said license. Just because you apply for a license doesn't mean you will get one. People have been refused licenses for far fewer offenses that Dutrow has.

You have no right to hold a license.

randallscott35 02-18-2011 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 753958)
I am not suggesting anything of the sort. A professional license comes with qualifications. What I am suggesting is that his repeated breaking of the rules could disqualify him for eligibility for said license. Just because you apply for a license doesn't mean you will get one. People have been refused licenses for far fewer offenses that Dutrow has.

You have no right to hold a license.

I side with Chuck here. Quite a number of infractions at this point.


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