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joeydb 02-01-2011 01:09 PM

LOL -- A warning from Napolitano
 
Don't secure the borders, then warn the cartels of "overwhelming response".

Only to a Democrat would that make any sense.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...70U5TB20110131

Nascar1966 02-01-2011 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 747852)
Don't secure the borders, then warn the cartels of "overwhelming response".

Only to a Democrat would that make any sense.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...70U5TB20110131

Are you expecting any common sense from a Democrat? I guess Napolitano thinks it is ok to let these illegals cross our borders and bring thier drug wars and violence that comes with it.

Antitrust32 02-01-2011 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 747856)
Are you expecting any common sense from a Democrat? I guess Napolitano thinks it is ok to let these illegals cross our borders and bring thier drug wars and violence that comes with it.

She really does not think that!

Riot 02-01-2011 03:46 PM

"President Barack Obama ordered some 1,200 National Guard troops to the southwest border last year, and also signed a $600 million bill to fund 1,500 new Border Patrol agents, customs inspectors and law enforcement officials."

Border patrol is at an all-time high, compared to what we have had there in the past.

Riot 02-01-2011 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 747913)
She really does not think that!

:tro:

timmgirvan 02-01-2011 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 747919)
"President Barack Obama ordered some 1,200 National Guard troops to the southwest border last year, and also signed a $600 million bill to fund 1,500 new Border Patrol agents, customs inspectors and law enforcement officials."

Border patrol is at an all-time high, compared to what we have had there in the past.

With all the bills flying around, can you tell me if this was actually carried out?

Nascar1966 02-01-2011 07:20 PM

Wonder if the clueless Napolitano has seen this:


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/7407697.html

11.2 million non deserving people in this country illegally. Maybe this is also part of the reason our economy is in shambles? After all are these illegals paying for anything. I could care less if they are using fake SSN's and paying taxes and not getting a refund. The people who employs these illegals should be fined.

Riot 02-01-2011 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan (Post 748051)
With all the bills flying around, can you tell me if this was actually carried out?

Quote:

"President Barack Obama ordered some 1,200 National Guard troops to the southwest border last year, and also signed a $600 million bill to fund 1,500 new Border Patrol agents, customs inspectors and law enforcement officials."
The article says first was done last year, rest is in progress.

timmgirvan 02-01-2011 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 748100)
The article says first was done last year, rest is in progress.

so they're still woefully understaffed!

Riot 02-01-2011 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan (Post 748110)
so they're still woefully understaffed!

I don't know how many they have hired since last year - do you? Maybe try google.

timmgirvan 02-01-2011 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 748112)
I don't know how many they have hired since last year - do you? Maybe try google.

I think they still have 300+mill for the shovel-ready programs

Cannon Shell 02-01-2011 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 748098)
Wonder if the clueless Napolitano has seen this:


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/7407697.html

11.2 million non deserving people in this country illegally. Maybe this is also part of the reason our economy is in shambles? After all are these illegals paying for anything. I could care less if they are using fake SSN's and paying taxes and not getting a refund. The people who employs these illegals should be fined.

Do illegals get some kind of prepaid card when they cross the border? They aren't coming here to collect welfare, they are coming to work. They consume goods and services just like everyone else and last I looked they paid the same amount for those goods and services as everyone else does. No one wants to admit it but illegals are probably a net boost for the economy.

Cannon Shell 02-01-2011 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmgirvan (Post 748110)
so they're still woefully understaffed!

They would need 50000 agents to police it like some people want.

timmgirvan 02-01-2011 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 748173)
They would need 50000 agents to police it like some people want.

Policing it effectively would be nice!:eek:

Cannon Shell 02-01-2011 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan (Post 748175)
Policing it effectively would be nice!:eek:

It's almost impossible to do unless you start shooting people. When they do catch them they just ship them back and most will try again. The nature of the land and the vast area to cover makes it extremely hard to cover without a far greater force. And since we are broke I dont think that the taxpayers will stomach the billions that it would take to expand the force that way. Plus Democrats are happy to play to the growing Hispanic voting bloc and wont push for greater coverage and the GOP is preaching cost cutting. So what we get is what we get. Idle threats from Janet N.

Antitrust32 02-02-2011 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 748172)
Do illegals get some kind of prepaid card when they cross the border? They aren't coming here to collect welfare, they are coming to work. They consume goods and services just like everyone else and last I looked they paid the same amount for those goods and services as everyone else does. No one wants to admit it but illegals are probably a net boost for the economy.

:tro::tro:

not only that but most work the jobs that the majority of america wouldnt consider doing or applying for.

I'm so anti-consertative when it comes to the issue of illegals, I would get booted out of the politics section if I said how I feel!

Nascar1966 02-02-2011 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 748172)
Do illegals get some kind of prepaid card when they cross the border? They aren't coming here to collect welfare, they are coming to work. They consume goods and services just like everyone else and last I looked they paid the same amount for those goods and services as everyone else does. No one wants to admit it but illegals are probably a net boost for the economy.

They are still here illegally.

joeydb 02-02-2011 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 748224)
They are still here illegally.

Nuff said. :tro::tro:

Clip-Clop 02-02-2011 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 748204)
:tro::tro:

not only that but most work the jobs that the majority of america wouldnt consider doing or applying for.

I'm so anti-consertative when it comes to the issue of illegals, I would get booted out of the politics section if I said how I feel!

Perhaps they would if not for our entitlement programs?

Riot 02-02-2011 03:40 PM

TAKE OUR JOBS

http://www.ufw.org/toj_play/TOJNEW_12_JAL.html

http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/07/news...jobs/index.htm

Quote:

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Facing growing anti-immigrant rhetoric, the United Farm Workers union is challenging Americans to take their labor-intensive, low-paying farm jobs.

As communities nationwide grapple with tenacious unemployment, migrant workers are often accused of stealing jobs from Americans. The union believes this accusation is without basis, and intends to demonstrate this with a newly-launched campaign called "Take Our Jobs."

"Farm workers do the work that most Americans are not willing to do," said union president Arturo Rodriguez in the announcement of the campaign.

At least half a million applicants are needed to replace the immigrant workforce, so the union has posted an online application for Americans who want to work on a farm.

Through its Web site, at www.takeourjobs.org, the union promises to connect applicants with farm jobs in their area.

Since June 24, at least 4,000 people have responded to the application, said Rodriguez. Some are serious responses and others are hate mail. "Only a few dozen have really followed through with the process," he said.

Most applicants quickly lose interest once the reality sinks in that these are back-breaking jobs in triple-digit temperatures that pay minimum wage, usually without benefits, according to the union. Some small farms are not required to pay minimum wage and in 15 states farms aren't required to offer workers' compensation.

Cannon Shell 02-02-2011 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 748224)
They are still here illegally.

so is speeding

Danzig 02-02-2011 09:11 PM

i think you'll find that the govt doesn't crack down on employers with illegals on their payrolls. said workers pay into the ss system, with no hope of ever recouping that money.
however, companies who pay under the table can expect to be raided. cash money means no money to uncle sam, and uncle sam doesn't like that.

Nascar1966 02-02-2011 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 748429)
i think you'll find that the govt doesn't crack down on employers with illegals on their payrolls. said workers pay into the ss system, with no hope of ever recouping that money.
however, companies who pay under the table can expect to be raided. cash money means no money to uncle sam, and uncle sam doesn't like that.


Im sure it is very true what you just said.

Clip-Clop 02-03-2011 09:22 AM

As long as people continue to be paid for not working, this cannot be taken seriously.

Nascar1966 02-03-2011 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 748419)
so is speeding

So is running a stop sign

Cannon Shell 02-03-2011 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 748608)
So is running a stop sign

I've done that. Shall I be deported?

Nascar1966 02-03-2011 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 748624)
I've done that. Shall I be deported?

No. At least you didn't hurt or kill some one.

Clip-Clop 02-03-2011 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 748624)
I've done that. Shall I be deported?

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_17233142

This one should have been.

Nascar1966 02-03-2011 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 748630)

Im sure she wont lose her license. All she will probably get is probation. If it was you or me we would lose our license and probably doing some jail time.

Dahoss 02-03-2011 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 748626)
No. At least you didn't hurt or kill some one.

I think you should be deported.

Riot 02-03-2011 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 748536)
As long as people continue to be paid for not working, this cannot be taken seriously.

Who gets "paid for not working" except for farmers?

Riot 02-03-2011 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 748633)
Im sure she wont lose her license. All she will probably get is probation. If it was you or me we would lose our license and probably doing some jail time.

Why?

declansharbor 02-03-2011 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 748643)
Who gets "paid for not working" except for farmers?


Those littering unemployment lines?

Riot 02-03-2011 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 748647)
Those littering unemployment lines?

Let's see ... workers, like you, purchase insurance through payroll deductions, as do their employers. Then if workers are laid off through no fault of their own, that insurance gives them a stipend so they don't starve to death.

You know, like if you made $100K a year, you get $300, $350 a week. Wow, let's hope we get laid off to rake that free cash in! LOL! All those payroll deductions we've paid over our lifetime of working sure cashes out great!

Most people who are "littering unemployment lines" are not happy to be there. There is always a baseline unemployment. The numbers are far above that. And it's not due to some mass contagious infection with lethargy and laziness that has suddenly infected hundreds of thousands of people.

Nascar1966 02-03-2011 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 748644)
Why?

Just my opinion. What is your take on it?

Riot 02-03-2011 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 748649)
Just my opinion. What is your take on it?

Found guilty and awarded 24 years in prison, but deported after verdict so we don't have to pay for it.

Nascar1966 02-03-2011 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 748650)
Found guilty and awarded 24 years in prison, but deported after verdict so we don't have to pay for it.

Deported so she can find her way back into this country again? I agree with the 24 years of prison time.

Nascar1966 02-03-2011 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 748536)
As long as people continue to be paid for not working, this cannot be taken seriously.

Very true what you just said. People have no problem bragging that they make more collecting unemployment than if they had a job yet nothing gets done about it. Wait something did. Unemployment benefits got extended. Way to reward some of the trash.

Riot 02-03-2011 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 748652)
Deported so she can find her way back into this country again? I agree with the 24 years of prison time.

You want us to pay for incarcerating illegals? Worse jails in Mexico.


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