if...Blame wins by 2
 

Does Zenyatta still win HOTY?

Yes.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...0&postcount=88

I thought Blame would have won up until last night.

Now? I don't think it would have made any difference what he won by.

Good or bad she would have won last night regardless.

Who wins this HOTY battle,

(yeah i know most of you will know these two but if you dont know it off the top of your head dont go look it up until you decide)


Horse A: Won Breeders' Cup Classic (G1), Stephen Foster H. (G2), Whitney H. (G1), Hawthorne Gold Cup (G3), Saratoga Breeders' Cup H. (G2)

Horse B: Won Hollywood Gold Cup (G1), Pimlico Special (G1), Woodward S (G1), Gulfstream Park H, Donn H, Iselin H, Mass. H; 3rd Jockey Club Gold Cup, OTB Classic.

Which one can dance?

Neither, go watch dressage if thats what your looking for.

Don't you understand thats the determining factor? Where have you been?

Yes paddock dancing won it for Zenyatta, hilarious.

Hilarious? It's much more plausible than the idea that they gave it to her for her on-track accomplishments.

Let's be serious, they gave it to her for 'intangibles' and supposedly 'creating fans', so it sure as hell isn't far off to say that her dancing was part of the reason she won.

We all know why she won, and we all know who should of won, I got the joke I just didn't think it was funny.

Old timers used to say 1 lb = 1 length. That means she lost by 3.....

Yes, that's the sad thing. Just winning the race wasn't good enough for Blame........Zenyatta gets rewarded because she "courageously" overcame a bad pace scenario (nevermind that it's her flaw). Why Blame should be penalized for having more speed is beyond me. These voters were bound and determined to gift wrap a HOY for her because it would be looked at as a darn shame if she never got one. What an amazing example of a sympathy vote- they felt sorry for Zenyatta because she didn't end up undefeated.

its over, thankfully we have the derby preps to look forward to.

Blame was penalized for losing to Haynesfield. Too bad he didn't have some SoCal allowance fillies to practice against that day.

Exactly. Based on their head-to-head record there's a lot of doubt who was the better of the two.

Glad to see Z's owners got rewarded for their chicken sh*t campaign last year. :rolleyes:
what a joke.

But I thought Rinterval > Haynesfield ??

Does it really matter who you beat? Or is how you do it more important? Last year beating Macho Uno and Bullsbay sealed the deal so I don't buy the former. Blame squeaked out wins over Battle Plan, Quality Road and Zenyatta in what most will call a conservative campaign. Surely that didn't enhance his credentials, as I stated I thought he did enough with his win in the Classic, but again he wasn't the best by a landslide, not by a longshot.

Favorite Trick.

Nice photo, but it doesn't address the post.

Ugh. So now we're putting "squeaked out wins over Battle Plan, Quality Road, and Zenyatta" behind wins over Dance to My Tune, Switch, and Rinterval because she had her ears pricked?

I'm not even going to address your comments about 2009 that dead horse has been beaten beyond recognition.

...who did he beat out again?

Blame is far from an all time great horse, and the campaign was conservative by most standards (not Zenyatta's). What if he had taken a softer spot and not caught a stakes speed horse who got loose that day? If he had won the other races he did and beaten a soft 4 horse G3 field that day to be undefeated, who would be HOY? Probably still Zenyatta, but that shows how screwed up the vote is anyway.

As I am a Lurker pointed out....Skip Away and Victory Gallop.

I wasn't attempting to rehash last year's subject, however I do think people look at other factors...style, popularity, when the gap between 2 horses is a small one. Given Blame did just enough to be HOY last year, I don't see the travesty as others feel it was. Regardless who the horse that beat him is.

What's wrong with squeaking out wins over Battle Plan and Quality Road? Those aren't exactly claimers.

For sure he could have done more last year, and that would have made the decision an easy one.

Again I felt he should have won HOY with his win in the classic, it would have been just punishment for Sheriff's and Moss's putting all their eggs into one basket approach. Saying that, I am not going to be rushing out singing the praises of Blame's campaign and races last year either.

Wasn't Victory Gallop a two year old in 1997?

I would have thought Formal Gold or Silver Charm.

Yeah, I was confused. It happens.

I thought it was funny....:p:D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM1Q5rflpnA

last time i heard you confused was on a broadcast recently.....wondering why someone would take even money on some mdn 12 mule at the duct. i agreed:$:

Scale weight is not considered handicap weight . Old timers know that.

Just saying .

This is when you should stop talking about HOY and go play with Barbies.

Maybe he's multi tasking.

Horse A and B were Awesome Again and Skip Away.

1998, Skip Away won HOTY despite Awesome Again (who took a very similar route to Blame) winning the Classic.

1997, Favorite Trick won over Skip Away despite Skip Aways dominant Classic win at Santa Anita.

Is it possible voters regretted not giving the award to Skip Away the year before and despite his loss to Awesome Again felt he deserved a HOTY?

Is it possible voters felt Zenyatta deserved a HOTY title because of her impressive 3 years of consistency?

Does history repeat itself?

Too many questions.