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dalakhani 12-26-2010 10:39 PM

NFL Coaching Changes: Who Should, Who Should Go
 
Tom Coughlin- Didn't he just win a superbowl a couple of years back? How is this guy always on the hotseat?

The Giants need to keep Coughlin. There is no one out there that is much better.

Jason Garrett- I didn't think he was too good as a coordinator. Offense is talented but bland. I say let him go.

Leslie Frazier- Let him go. Interim guys just don't work out.

John Fox- Keep the coach, fire the GM.

Mike Singletary- Great motivator but that only goes so far. He is inept. The team is disorganized. Fire him.

Tony Sparano- I am just not sure here. Actually, fire him. You go that bad at home you should be fired.

Chan Gailey- I would give him another shot. Who else would want to go to buffalo to coach anyway?

Eric Mangini- You know what? I would keep him. They played hard this year and had some nice wins.

Marvin Lewis- The fact that he still has a job is a testament to just how bad the bengals were before he got there.

Jack Del Rio- That long and not sniffing anywhere close to a bowl? A decent coach but time for a change.

Gary Kubiak- Coach needs to go. Love him as an o coordinator though somewhere else. This guy is Norv without a good GM and d coodinator

Norv Turner- Was today proof enough? This is one of the more talented teams in the league and they lose to a dead cincy team and get swept by the Raiders and are out of the playoffs. Fire him NOW.

And the coach of the year?

I think Bellichick did an incredible job that he will never get enough credit for because it is some kind of weird rule that you can't give coach of the year honors to an established coach. That being the case, Haley should win. KC will finish no worse than 10-6 and win the division after being bad for a while.

clyde 12-26-2010 10:42 PM

Eric Mangini- You know what? I would keep him. They played hard this year and had some nice wins.


Sometimes...sometimes you do make sense.

Bigsmc 12-26-2010 10:47 PM

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dalakhani 12-26-2010 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by clyde (Post 737121)
Eric Mangini- You know what? I would keep him. They played hard this year and had some nice wins.


Sometimes...sometimes you do make sense.

Come on Clyde. Even when I'm dead wrong I still make sense. Unfortunately, the two don't go hand in hand.

I like Mccoy as well. I think this team is on the right track.

clyde 12-26-2010 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 737126)
Come on Clyde. Even when I'm dead wrong I still make sense. Unfortunately, the two don't go hand in hand.

I like Mccoy as well. I think this team is on the right track.


Oh my God.......but some truth to that.



Agree with your latest as well.

Give yourself a postit on your forehead with 10 pies colored on it.

dagolfer33 12-26-2010 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 737125)

I assume you are staying Morris should stay. This is far and away the biggest turnaround of the year.

dagolfer33 12-26-2010 11:18 PM

Tom Coughlin- Didn't he just win a superbowl a couple of years back? How is this guy always on the hotseat?

The Giants need to keep Coughlin. There is no one out there that is much better.They need to hire an assistant that has a high IQ, then hopefully they wont do so much stupid ****.

Jason Garrett- I didn't think he was too good as a coordinator. Offense is talented but bland. I say let him go.I say give him a chance, at least for a year.

Leslie Frazier- Let him go. Interim guys just don't work out.Obvious

John Fox- Keep the coach, fire the GM. yes, going to have to get some fresh talent in their too

Mike Singletary- Great motivator but that only goes so far. He is inept. The team is disorganized. Fire him. His heart is in it, the players arent buying it.

Tony Sparano- I am just not sure here. Actually, fire him. You go that bad at home you should be fired. whether he should be fired or not, he will be

Chan Gailey- I would give him another shot. Who else would want to go to buffalo to coach anyway?they were a little bit better this year

Eric Mangini- You know what? I would keep him. They played hard this year and had some nice wins. I would let Morty decide

Marvin Lewis- The fact that he still has a job is a testament to just how bad the bengals were before he got there.sometimes they play, sometimes they dont, dont know

Jack Del Rio- That long and not sniffing anywhere close to a bowl? A decent coach but time for a change. they have some good young guys, give him one more year, after that...gonzo

Gary Kubiak- Coach needs to go. Love him as an o coordinator though somewhere else. This guy is Norv without a good GM and d coodinatorfire him...this team had it and quit

Norv Turner- Was today proof enough? This is one of the more talented teams in the league and they lose to a dead cincy team and get swept by the Raiders and are out of the playoffs. Fire him NOW. Norv is a dumbass, and so is Rivers, no matter how good he is

And the coach of the year?Sal Palosi

I think Bellichick did an incredible job that he will never get enough credit for because it is some kind of weird rule that you can't give coach of the year honors to an established coach. That being the case, Haley should win. KC will finish no worse than 10-6 and win the division after being bad for a while.

Bigsmc 12-26-2010 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 737138)
I assume you are staying Morris should stay. This is far and away the biggest turnaround of the year.

Yes.

I know others have had devastating injuries, but Raheem has 9 wins with an offensive line filled with free agents and players stolen from other team's practice squads. The starting line-up they are putting on the field on both sides of the ball is laughable, but he is getting the job done.

I give him an A+. I give their GM an A- (LeGarrette Blount...woot). I give the Owners an F.

Bigsmc 12-26-2010 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 737143)
Mike Singletary- Great motivator but that only goes so far. He is inept. The team is disorganized. Fire him. His heart is in it, the players arent buying it.


:tro:


He's gone.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5958834

dagolfer33 12-26-2010 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 737154)
Yes.

I know others have had devastating injuries, but Raheem has 9 wins with an offensive line filled with free agents and players stolen from other team's practice squads. The starting line-up the are putting on the field on both sides of the ball is laughable, but he is getting the job done.

I give him an A+. I give their GM an A- (LeGarrette Blount...woot). I give the Owners an F.

Blount is going to be high on the fantasy RB list next year I predict.

clyde 12-26-2010 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 737143)
Tom Coughlin- Didn't he just win a superbowl a couple of years back? How is this guy always on the hotseat?

The Giants need to keep Coughlin. There is no one out there that is much better.They need to hire an assistant that has a high IQ, then hopefully they wont do so much stupid ****.

Jason Garrett- I didn't think he was too good as a coordinator. Offense is talented but bland. I say let him go.I say give him a chance, at least for a year.

Leslie Frazier- Let him go. Interim guys just don't work out.Obvious

John Fox- Keep the coach, fire the GM. yes, going to have to get some fresh talent in their too

Mike Singletary- Great motivator but that only goes so far. He is inept. The team is disorganized. Fire him. His heart is in it, the players arent buying it.

Tony Sparano- I am just not sure here. Actually, fire him. You go that bad at home you should be fired. whether he should be fired or not, he will be

Chan Gailey- I would give him another shot. Who else would want to go to buffalo to coach anyway?they were a little bit better this year

Eric Mangini- You know what? I would keep him. They played hard this year and had some nice wins. I would let Morty decide

Marvin Lewis- The fact that he still has a job is a testament to just how bad the bengals were before he got there.sometimes they play, sometimes they dont, dont know

Jack Del Rio- That long and not sniffing anywhere close to a bowl? A decent coach but time for a change. they have some good young guys, give him one more year, after that...gonzo

Gary Kubiak- Coach needs to go. Love him as an o coordinator though somewhere else. This guy is Norv without a good GM and d coodinatorfire him...this team had it and quit

Norv Turner- Was today proof enough? This is one of the more talented teams in the league and they lose to a dead cincy team and get swept by the Raiders and are out of the playoffs. Fire him NOW. Norv is a dumbass, and so is Rivers, no matter how good he is

And the coach of the year?Sal Palosi

I think Bellichick did an incredible job that he will never get enough credit for because it is some kind of weird rule that you can't give coach of the year honors to an established coach. That being the case, Haley should win. KC will finish no worse than 10-6 and win the division after being bad for a while.


Let the fucl<er stay.




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horseofcourse 12-26-2010 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 737117)
Marvin Lewis- The fact that he still has a job is a testament to just how bad the bengals were before he got there.

AMazing how they played by far their best game of the year today with the two imbecile wide receivers nowhere near the playing field.

dagolfer33 12-26-2010 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by clyde (Post 737161)
Let the fucl<er stay.




=:>

So it is written, so it will be done.

Bigsmc 12-26-2010 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 737163)
AMazing how they played by far their best game of the year today with the two imbecile wide receivers nowhere near the playing field.


A ringing endorsement as to why they call it a team sport.

dalakhani 12-27-2010 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 737138)
I assume you are staying Morris should stay. This is far and away the biggest turnaround of the year.

They were 9-7 in 2008, 3-13 in 2009 and likely 9-7 in 2010. Kc won 10 games TOTAL 2007-09 and will likely win 10 games this year.

Not saying that Tampa isn't due some praise but I think it is a bit of hyperbole to say it's far and away the biggest turnaround when kc is at least as impressive.

MaTH716 12-27-2010 02:11 AM

I believe that Coughlin sealed his fate today. Between last weeks disaster and this weeks embarassment, the only thing that could save him would be sneaking into the playoffs and going deep in them. By no means is it all Coughlin's fault, at some point the players should take some responsiblity, for the turnovers, dropped balls and basically the defense not showing up today, but we all know that it's the head coach that takes the fall. They clawed back from a 14 point hole today only to go into the tank in the second half. He has always seemed like a coach/his coaching staff that has had trouble making adjustments at halftime. Today was another day, where they could do nothing offensively or defensively in the second half.

It just feels like a team that needs a change at this point. This is 2 years in a row that his teams have peaked in the first half of the season. They have had some injuries, but nothing like teams like the Packers have had to deal with. Also not helping Coughlins case is that Cower has been standing in the shadows for a couple of years now and has been rumored to be interested in the job. If not Cower, I wouldn't be suprised to see John Fox (if he is let go, as he was the Giants Def. Coordinator when they went to the SB in 2000) end up with the position.

It's definitely not all Coughlin's fault, but this team is too good to be constantly spitting the bit in December. I think he used his 2007 Super Bowl get out of jail free card last year and by the look and feel of it today the clock is ticking on the old ball coach.

As for the rest of the list.

Jason Garrett- I think he stays, Jerry and the team seems to like and play for him.

Leslie Frazier- I just don't see it, but until they get a QB it really doesn't matter who's coaching.

John Fox- I like him, but he's another who has been on thin ice for a long time and I can't see him surviving a 2 win campaign.

Mike Singletary- Seems in over his head, some guys are just better being a cooridnator.

Tony Sparano- I give him a pass for another season.

Chan Gailey- It's Buffalo, who really cares? Besides he has them playing hard up there, today they were just outclassed.

Eric Mangini- I think he's out just cause Holmgren will want to pick his own guy there.

Marvin Lewis- Don't know how he's lasted this long, just mindboggling.

Jack Del Rio- Needed to win the divison to probably save his job, so long.

Gary Kubiak-Like Singletary, probably better off as a cooridnator.

Norv Turner- Today was most likely the staw that broke the camels back, but just like herpes Norv will eventually rear his ugly head some place in the near future.

herkhorse 12-27-2010 06:01 AM

Coughlin and Eli were made for each other. They both suck when it's crunch time.

Bigsmc 12-27-2010 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 737171)
They were 9-7 in 2008, 3-13 in 2009 and likely 9-7 in 2010. Kc won 10 games TOTAL 2007-09 and will likely win 10 games this year.

Not saying that Tampa isn't due some praise but I think it is a bit of hyperbole to say it's far and away the biggest turnaround when kc is at least as impressive.

Tampa did feast on an incredibly easy schedule. They went 4-0 vs the NFC West or there would be no 9 wins this year.

That said, Raheem has done an incredible job. The Bucs are the first team since the 1970 merger to start at least 10 different rookies in a season and have a winning record.

No way he wins any awards, but the Bucs are in good shape moving forward with him in charge.

MaTH716 12-27-2010 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse (Post 737177)
Coughlin and Eli were made for each other. They both suck when it's crunch time.

They were both pretty good in 2007.
Eli was excellent especially in the game in GB.

herkhorse 12-27-2010 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 737179)
They were both pretty good in 2007.
Eli was excellent especially in the game in GB.

Tom Coughlin press conference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhSmO8cPjH4

3kings 12-27-2010 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 737179)
They were both pretty good in 2007.
Eli was excellent especially in the game in GB.

Other than 2007 he has been a mediocrity. He makes way to many dumb mistakes, and when things start going bad he panics and creates blow out losses. He gets rattled easily, and is a slightly above average NFL QB.

On the coaches:
Tom Coughlin- I think he gets fired and this is where Cowher ends up.

jason Garrett- I hope he stays so the Cowboys will suck for a while longer

Leslie Frazier- I think he stays.

John Fox-good coach will be head coach next year but probably not in Carolina
Mike Singletary- too late

Tony Sparano- Runs a boring offense which doesn't go well with flashy owners and South Beach. I think he gets fired.

Chan Gailey- I would give him another shot. Team played hard, and who else wants to coach for that cheap owner.

Eric Mangini- I would keep him. They played hard this year and had some nice wins. Look to be turning the corner in a very tough division.

Marvin Lewis- See Buffalo about the owner

Jack Del Rio- Good coach who could probably use a change of scenery, owner to cheap to fire him.
Gary Kubiak- Fired. Makes his team the picture of mediocrity, that team needs a disciplinarian to wake things u

Norv Turner- Has to much talent there to always under achieve. Doesn't help him that his GM is an ass clown who alienates every decent player they have. Fire him

And the coach of the year?

Raheem Morris-Has developed many young players and get them to play hard all the time. I don't care how easy there schedule is, they have over achieved.

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ateamstupid 12-27-2010 08:27 AM

All I know is if Lewis isn't gone in Cinci, Bengals fans should have the right to sell back their 2011 season tickets to the team.

I think this was the last straw for Norv, although Smith seems to like having a passive coach that he can push around.

Kubiak's toast. Singletary too. I don't think Coughlin's out unless the Maras are sure they can get Cowher.

Coach Pants 12-27-2010 08:28 AM

I think Cowher is overrated. If will.i.am's dad can win a sb with Pittsburgh...

Nascar1966 12-27-2010 01:58 PM

Kubiak is more than likely gone next week. Turner also will probably be gone next week. Singletary didn't suprise me with his firing. I think Garrett should be given a chance with the Cowboys. Lewis is another one more than likely gone.

horseofcourse 12-27-2010 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 737182)
All I know is if Lewis isn't gone in Cinci, Bengals fans should have the right to sell back their 2011 season tickets to the team.

I think this was the last straw for Norv, although Smith seems to like having a passive coach that he can push around.

Kubiak's toast. Singletary too. I don't think Coughlin's out unless the Maras are sure they can get Cowher.

You obviously have no clue what the Bengals were before Marvin. You're not real big on history though I take it. And quite frankly last year was a miracle coaching job by Marvin. They were 4-7 outside division last year...a good year. There is no way he should be fired.

ateamstupid 12-27-2010 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 737319)
You obviously have no clue what the Bengals were before Marvin. You're not real big on history though I take it. And quite frankly last year was a miracle coaching job by Marvin. They were 4-7 outside division last year...a good year. There is no way he should be fired.

Shut the hell up. Fans shouldn't have to accept incompetence just because the franchise is historically bad. Lewis is a terrible coach and has done a horrendous job this year. He should've been gone after they blew that game against Tampa, then again after the one against New Orleans.

They have a talented roster this year and are 4-11. He still hasn't won a playoff game. He absolutely has to be canned.

Coach Pants 12-27-2010 04:32 PM

Marvin Lewis is a good defensive coordinator.

Scav 12-27-2010 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 737321)
Shut the hell up. Fans shouldn't have to accept incompetence because just the franchise is historically bad. Lewis is a terrible coach and has done a horrendous job this year. He should've been gone after they blew that game against Tampa, then again after the one against New Orleans.

They have a talented roster this year and are 4-11. He still hasn't won a playoff game. He absolutely has to be canned.

Exactly.

I want Lovie to be canned, but aint happening for a long time now, gonna get extended after the comedy year this year.

Jack Del Rio should be adios'ed after yesterday's performance against Washington, that was horrendous.

horseofcourse 12-27-2010 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 737321)
Shut the hell up. Fans shouldn't have to accept incompetence because just the franchise is historically bad. Lewis is a terrible coach and has done a horrendous job this year. He should've been gone after they blew that game against Tampa, then again after the one against New Orleans.

They have a talented roster this year and are 4-11. He still hasn't won a playoff game. He absolutely has to be canned.

I'm just realistic is all. You aren't.

ateamstupid 12-27-2010 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 737324)
I'm just realistic is all. You aren't.

What's unrealistic about thinking a coach who's 0-2 in the playoffs after 8 seasons and went 4-11 with a team that was supposed to win 10+ games this year should be fired? His record and the job he's done this year are abysmal. The only reason he still hasn't been fired is that the owner is a ridiculously cheap prick.

horseofcourse 12-27-2010 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 737327)
What's unrealistic about thinking a coach who's 0-2 in the playoffs after 8 seasons and went 4-11 with a team that was supposed to win 10+ games this year should be fired? His record and the job he's done this year are abysmal. The only reason he still hasn't been fired is that the owner is a ridiculously cheap prick.

Anyone that thought that team was supposed to win 10 + games this year is delusional.

ateamstupid 12-27-2010 04:48 PM

Ah, so 4-11 is OK and 0-2 in the playoffs in 8 years is acceptable. I can't believe you're even arguing still.

horseofcourse 12-27-2010 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 737329)
Ah, so 4-11 is OK and 0-2 in the playoffs in 8 years is acceptable. I can't believe you're even arguing still.

2-14
6-10
4-12
4-12
3-13
7-9
8-8
7-9
3-13
3-13
5-11
3-13

Those were the years in order pre Marvin Lewis...post Marvin

8-8
8-8
11-5
8-8
7-9
4-11-1
10-6
4-11

The 12 years pre-Marvin they had 11 losing seasons and one .500 season. The 8 years with Marving they had 2 winning seasons and 3 .500 ones. He didn't kill it, but they were a much better and more relavant team with Marvin. In his first playoff game his starting qb had his knee torn up in the first series. Whatever. These are the facts and the history of the Bengals.


You shut up.

horseofcourse 12-27-2010 04:56 PM

I argue because I take the time to provide facts which are sorely missing on these boards for the most part. Marvin by any honest estimation improved the Cincinnati Bengals in his time with the team from what they were before he came. Go suck on it ateam.

ateamstupid 12-27-2010 04:59 PM

So, once again, because the team is historically bad, he should keep the job ad infinitum despite zero playoff wins in eight years and just an awful coaching job this year. Mediocrity isn't better than suckiness in the NFL. At least suckiness gets you a high draft pick.

horseofcourse 12-27-2010 04:59 PM

So yeah, as a Bengal season ticket holder, I would much prefer those 8 years with Marvin than the 12 prior from 1991 to 2002 by a large, large margin in fact.

dagolfer33 12-27-2010 05:01 PM

I think Les Miles would look good filling any of these available positions.:D

horseofcourse 12-27-2010 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 737336)
So, once again, because the team is historically bad, he should keep the job ad infinitum despite zero playoff wins in eight years and just an awful coaching job this year. Mediocrity isn't better than suckiness in the NFL. At least suckiness gets you a high draft pick.

HiS coaching job last year was tremendous with a largely untalented team for the most part. I can't name their defensive line, I can't name any defensive back on their team off the top of my head. I can name their two overaged psycho wide receivers however, and yeah he is largely at fault for the failures of the team as he is head coach. Once Sam Wyche left the team has stunk. In his 8 years as coach the team was at least relevant at times which they never were the 12 years prior. The great Jets even had to play them in the playoffs last year. That's how good they were!! I'm not simply convinced how bad a coach he really is. I'm simply not as simple a person as you are either. I didn't become a Miami Heat fan after all!!!!

ateamstupid 12-27-2010 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 737337)
So yeah, as a Bengal season ticket holder, I would much prefer those 8 years with Marvin than the 12 prior from 1991 to 2002 by a large, large margin in fact.

So how long does he get to keep underachieving and going 8-8 and winning zero playoff games? 5 more years? 10? Sh it, just make him coach-for-life and get it over with. YOU DON'T GET IT, THE BENGALS NEVER USED TO GET IN THE PLAYOFFS AND LOSE IN THE FIRST ROUND EVERY 4 YEARS!!!

ateamstupid 12-27-2010 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 737342)
HiS coaching job last year was tremendous with a largely untalented team for the most part. I can't name their defensive line, I can't name any defensive back on their team off the top of my head. I can name their two overaged psycho wide receivers however, and yeah he is largely at fault for the failures of the team as he is head coach. Once Sam Wyche left the team has stunk. In his 8 years as coach the team was at least relevant at times which they never were the 12 years prior. The great Jets even had to play them in the playoffs last year. That's how good they were!! I'm not simply convinced how bad a coach he really is. I'm simply not as simple a person as you are eiother.

You're an idiot if you can't name any of their DBs. Hall and Joseph are one of the best CB tandems in the league. Odom's a beast when healthy on the DL and Peko's good too. Their roster was way better than 4-11 this year and some of the losses they've had are totally inexcusable.


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