Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 732262)

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...y-mine-retired



Beyond disappointing for me. This was a colt I had high hopes for from the start. He didn't really want to stretch out, but after the Derby, Pletcher found his niche as a terrific sprinter. I really thought he was going to be a top sprinter this year.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 732274)

In other related Pletcher (former) news Pluck is going to race in Europe next year. That should last for about 15 minutes. If Barry Irwin thinks Pluck can be competitive in Europe then Bobby Flay and the Phillips should plan on sending More Than Real and Winter Memories to the Arc.

Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 732262)

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...y-mine-retired



Beyond disappointing for me. This was a colt I had high hopes for from the start. He didn't really want to stretch out, but after the Derby, Pletcher found his niche as a terrific sprinter. I really thought he was going to be a top sprinter this year.

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 732286)

Leave Flay alone.. He is one friggin lucky guy. He works very hard on racing and I root for him to have some mazel. I wonder why he hasnt named a horse Ancho Chilli since it is basically the only thing taste when you eat at his joints.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 732291)

Fredo, I love Flay. Ever since opening day 2009 at Saratoga when he showed up an hour before the first and sat in his box handicapping I've been an even bigger fan.

More Than Real's win was good for me. I think it was probably the last time she'll ever beat Winter Memories but I certainly hope they both develop into nice 3YOs.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 732297)

I forgot to include that Discreetly Mine was Mineshaft's first (and only) Grade I winner to date. Remember when he stood for 100k?

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 732299)

A better ride and he would've had 2 in an hour on Fly Down

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 732297)

Remember when he stood for 100k?

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 732303)

Overrated on and off track?

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 732303)

Overrated on and off track?

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 732307)

I always thought he was overrated on the track as well.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 732308)

Not really - there have been a whole lot worse who got a whole lot more hype.

Neil Howard was his trainer for crying out loud - Neil Howard.

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 732306)

:(

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 732310)

I heard he was the best horse since Spectacular Bid.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 732322)

Maybe on Thoro-Graph figures - for about six weeks...until the first of about 38 horses to surpass his all-time record figure came along.

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 732325)

He's been a heckuva lot better than Ghostzapper in the shed, that's for sure.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 732326)

It was tongue in cheek, a member of this forum has espoused the theory that Mineshaft was the best horse since the Bid and I was breaking his balls a bit.

If only the four or five best handicap horses of 2003 could have gotten in the gate together at some point it would have been interesting. Medaglia d'Oro had a good year and was walloped by Candy Ride, so those three would have certainly made for an interesting race along with Pleasantly Perfect and Dynever of course.



You can't compare a 4th crop sire to a 2nd crop sire. That being said, GZ has been horrendous, even if his production of GI winners matches Mineshaft.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 732330)

Congaree was awesome that year - and Perfect Drift was a total beast as well. If Perfect Drift had any trainer other than Murray Johnson - he probably would have been the best horse since Bid. PD kept running monster races that year for a trainer who was like 4-for-100 and would claim a horse and watch it sink like a rock to the bottom.

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 732333)

Is Murray Johnson alive?

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 732336)

He's been out of the training game for a while. If he ever makes a comeback - it should be at River Downs.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 732297)

I forgot to include that Discreetly Mine was Mineshaft's first (and only) Grade I winner to date. Remember when he stood for 100k?

Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 732399)

Better value than the folks who shelled out $100K+ for Forestry a few years ago. I believe he'll be standing next year for $12,500.

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 732418)

Zapper stood for 200k his first season.