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Kasept 08-31-2010 08:35 AM

9/1 (SAR): $443k C/O ~ Contest/Discussion
 
5th (3:13)

1 Mile (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Maiden Claiming ($25,000) | Purse: $23,000

1 1 Arrr Pirates Booty Castellano J J Brown Bruce R 119 $25,000 L 3-1
1A 9 Driven by Fear Cohen D Brown Bruce R 123 $25,000 L 3-1
2 2 Ghosts and Legends Gomez G K Dutrow, Jr. R E 119 $25,000 L 12-1
3 3 Naughty You Lezcano J Serpe Philip M 119 $25,000 L 7-2
4 4 Stroke Dominguez R A Rice Linda 119 $25,000 L 6-1
5 5 Peat Bay Velazquez J R Benzel Seth 119 $25,000 L 2-1
6 6 Unique Tune Coa E M Ritvo Timothy 119 $25,000 L 10-1
7 7 Captain Redwood Espinoza J L Schettino Dominick A 119 $25,000 L 20-1
8 8 Moonshine Mountain Richards G G Simeone Paul J 123 $25,000 Blk-On L 30-1
9 10 Speciale Giorno Bridgmohan S X Sciacca Gary 123 $25,000 L 15-1

A-Coupled: Arrr Pirates Booty and Driven by Fear

Exacta, Trifecta, Pick 3 Races (5-7), Pick 6 Races (5-10), Daily Double Wagers



6th (3:47)

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Claiming ($12,500) | Purse: $21,000

1 1 Talk to Nick Maragh R Rodriguez Rudy R 117 $12,500 L 4-1
2 2 Devilish Due Coa E M Brown Bruce R 117 $12,500 L 7-2
3 3 Run to Grand Ave. Cohen D Levine Bruce N 117 $12,500 L 3-1
4 4 Mel's Gold Lenclud F Hertler John O 121 $12,500 L 15-1
5 5 Fairway Tom Prado E S Rodriguez Rudy R 117 $12,500 L 5-1
6 6 Dance Floor Maniac Dominguez R A Contessa Gary C 119 $12,500 L 4-1
7 7 End of the Gulch Rohena J M Ronen Assaf 117 $12,500 Blk-On L 10-1

Exacta, Trifecta, Super (.10), Pick 3 Races (6-8), Grand Slam Races (6-9) Daily Double Wagers



7th (4:21)

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Open | 2 Year Olds Maiden Special Weight | Purse: $41,000

1 1 Obviously Tuesday Dominguez R A Rice Linda 119 FTL 3-1
2 2 Cryin' Ryan Maragh R Duggan David P 119 FTL 10-1
3 3 Knock Quietly Desormeaux K J Schwartz Scott M 119 FTL 10-1
4 4 Trinity Warrior Espinoza J L Ubillo Rodrigo A 119 FTL 15-1
5 5 Power Dreams Cohen D Badgett William Jr 119 L 6-1
6 6 Precious Metal Castellano J J Brown Chad C 119 FTL 7-2
7 7 Rocky Fortune Lenclud F Pugh Peter D 119 L 15-1
8 8 Igoturback Coa E M Galluscio Dominic G 119 L 10-1
9 9 Newman Rocks Prado E S Hough Stanley M 119 FTL 10-1
10 10 Really Belong Lezcano J Matz Michael R 119 FTL 6-1
11 AE Bigger Is Bettor Velazquez J R Ubillo Rodrigo A 119 FTL 8-1
12 AE Cousin Frankie Velasquez C Phipps William 119 L 12-1
13 AE Rudy Rudy Rudy Velasquez C Rodriguez Rudy R 119 FTL 10-1
14 MTO Mr Ames Velazquez J R Schosberg Richard 119 L 6-1
15 MTO Crea's Law Lezcano J Pletcher Todd A 119 L 5-2
16 MTO Local Legacy Lezcano J Rice Linda 119 L 4-1

Exacta, Trifecta, Super (.10), Pick 3 Races (7-9), Pick 4 Races (7-10) Daily Double Wagers



8th (4:55) P. G. Johnson S.

1 1/16 Miles (Inner turf) | Fillies | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $70,000

1 3 Avanta Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 118 Blk-On L 8-1
1A MTO Sky Hosoya Pletcher Todd A 118 L 8-1
2 1 Pleine Forme Dominguez R A Motion H Graham 118 L 5-1
3 2 Dos Lunas Maragh R Glenney John 118 L 3-1
4 4 Fancy Point Castellano J J Phipps William 116 L 12-1
5 5 Maria's Luck Prado E S Cesare William 118 L 20-1
6 6 Lauren Byrd Cohen D Pletcher Todd A 118 L 7-2
7 7 Kathmanblu Desormeaux K J McPeek Kenneth G 118 FTL 10-1
8 8 Arch Support Velasquez C Contessa Gary C 118 L 6-1
9 9 Believe in A. P. Leparoux J R Dutrow, Jr. R E 116 L 8-1
10 MTO Let's Get Fiscal Garcia Alan Violette, Jr. R A 118 L 5-2

A-Coupled: Avanta and Sky Hosoya

Exacta, Trifecta, Super (.10), Pick 3 Races (8-10), Daily Double Wagers



9th (5:30)

5 1/2 Furlongs (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Claiming ($25,000) | Purse: $36,000

1 1 Kingsdale Ocean (IRE) Castellano J J Toscano John T Jr 120 $25,000 L 15-1
2 2 Matt's a Giant Maragh R Farro Patricia 121 $25,000 L 6-1
3 3 Sly Dominguez R A Dutrow Anthony W 120 $25,000 L 4-1
4 4 Crowned General Mena M Romans Dale 121 $25,000 L 6-1
5 5 Regal Prince Luzzi M J Violette, Jr. R A 120 $25,000 L 20-1
6 6 Sumfun Cohen D DiPrima Gregory 120 $25,000 L 6-1
7 7 Straight Romance Gomez G K Ferraro James W 120 $25,000 L 15-1
8 8 Falcon Trace Velazquez J R Pascucci Ambrose 121 $25,000 L 12-1
9 9 Rocketing Returns Velasquez C Rodriguez Rudy R 120 $25,000 L 5-1
10 10 Winthrop House Garcia Alan Rice Linda 120 $25,000 L 7-2

Exacta, Trifecta, Super (.10), Daily Double Wagers



10th (6:04)

1 1/16 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Claiming ($20,000) | Purse: $36,000

1 1 Stream of Gold (IRE) Leparoux J R Maker Michael J 123 $20,000 L 3-1
2 2 Sharps Island Hill C Voss Thomas H 123 $20,000 L 8-1
3 3 Cinder Cone Coa E M Englehart Chris 123 $20,000 L 6-1
4 4 Eldoktori Prado E S Reid Robert E Jr 123 $20,000 L 5-1
5 5 Beneath the Crown Maragh R Hills Timothy A 123 $20,000 L 8-1
6 6 Slamm'n Lou Lenclud F Badgett William Jr 123 $20,000 L 20-1
7 7 French Transition Bridgmohan J V Martin Frank 123 $20,000 L 12-1
8 8 Hurricane Heat Bridgmohan S X Sciacca Gary 123 $20,000 L 20-1
9 9 The Roundhouse Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 123 $20,000 L 4-1
10 10 Slick Wheelie Castellano J J Brown Bruce R 123 $20,000 L 10-1
11 MTO Tommasi Cohen D Jacobson David 123 $20,000 L 5-1

Exacta, Trifecta, Super (.10) Wagers

knickslions2 08-31-2010 08:58 AM

Looks like a piece of cake :eek:

Can I use $4000 for this one

RockHardTen1985 08-31-2010 09:40 AM

I have a few opinions on this sequence....
I will be at the Spa in person for only the second time this meet.

I love the 1 in race 6. If I dont play this pick 6 I'll be betting him to win.

The 8th I love love love the 4. I also think the 9 is decent, but the 4 is big win bet and a really strong play for me.

MaTH716 08-31-2010 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 690285)
I have a few opinions on this sequence....
I will be at the Spa in person for only the second time this meet.

I love the 1 in race 6. If I dont play this pick 6 I'll be betting him to win.

The 8th I love love love the 4. I also think the 9 is decent, but the 4 is big win bet and a really strong play for me.

Why wouldn't you play it then? If you have two very strong opinions (possible singles), it basically brings you down to a pick 4 ticket. I saw you take a wild stab at the pick 6 the other day on what seemed like a whim and now you love 2 horses in the sequance and might not play it? Not to mention the double carryover, it just seems it would be a given that you played it (unless there was a scratch of one of your singles).

RockHardTen1985 08-31-2010 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 690297)
Why wouldn't you play it then? If you have two very strong opinions (possible singles), it basically brings you down to a pick 4 ticket. I saw you take a wild stab at the pick 6 the other day on what seemed like a whim and now you love 2 horses in the sequance and might not play it? Not to mention the double carryover, it just seems it would be a given that you played it (unless there was a scratch of one of your singles).

Ill be up there making wild and crazy insane bets all day... Ill likely not play because of the 5th the wide open NYB MSW and the last, I see 3 races that are total spreads. Even if I took a stab and singled my horses at 4-1 and 12-1 ML I would have to go like 5 deep in those other races to feel good, and like I said I like the Dutrow a little in the stakes.

atolunch 08-31-2010 12:26 PM

Didn't Lloyd run against Arrr Pirates Booty his first time out?

Scav 08-31-2010 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 690300)
Ill be up there making wild and crazy insane bets all day... Ill likely not play because of the 5th the wide open NYB MSW and the last, I see 3 races that are total spreads. Even if I took a stab and singled my horses at 4-1 and 12-1 ML I would have to go like 5 deep in those other races to feel good, and like I said I like the Dutrow a little in the stakes.

Will be way overplayed, only your boy TPletch can win that race

ateamstupid 08-31-2010 12:34 PM

I actually agree with him about Fancy Point.

Scav 08-31-2010 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 690335)
I actually agree with him about Fancy Point.

IMO, 6 is probably the most likely winner, and I think Motion's horse on the rail can run a bang up race

ateamstupid 08-31-2010 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 690341)
IMO, 6 is probably the most likely winner, and I think Motion's horse on the rail can run a bang up race

Dominguez gets off Arch Support to ride Pleine Forme. The race is wide open though. I don't know how one can eliminate Dos Lunas and Believe in A. P.

NTamm1215 08-31-2010 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 690341)
IMO, 6 is probably the most likely winner, and I think Motion's horse on the rail can run a bang up race

I like Motion's horse as well and agree that the 6 is going to be tough. I also think Fancy Point has a big shot and would probably use all three.

The sequence as a whole is very challenging because of the number of bad/questionable horses that are going to be used heavily (Sly, Stream of Gold, Run to Grand Ave, Arrr Pirates Booty) that you probably can't trust.

NT

-BT- 08-31-2010 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 690341)
IMO, 6 is probably the most likely winner, and I think Motion's horse on the rail can run a bang up race

i concur.... don't like that pletcher is putting cohen back up though.

if we're shooting for a maiden in this race, the #9 Believe in A.P. looks pretty live closing into the #8 Arch Support crawl of a pace last out and only losing by 1/2 a length

-bt-

the_fat_man 08-31-2010 01:02 PM

No love for Believe in A. P.?

The anchor man off; 3 turf works since the last race; and wins with stronger handling last out.

ateamstupid 08-31-2010 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 690353)
i concur.... don't like that pletcher is putting cohen back up though.

Cohen's a pretty crappy turf jock, but Pletcher doesn't often take winning jocks off his horses.

ateamstupid 08-31-2010 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 690356)
No love for Believe in A. P.?

The anchor man off; 3 turf works since the last race; and wins with stronger handling last out.

Who's the anchor man? Leparoux rode him last out.

NTamm1215 08-31-2010 01:06 PM

It's worth noting too that this race is scheduled for the inner turf, which is very surprising to me. The chances that someone gets obliterated on the first turn are very high.

NT

the_fat_man 08-31-2010 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 690359)
Who's the anchor man? Leparoux rode him last out.

My bad. Lezcano rode him 1st time out. When I saw the horse unable to stay on righty lead in the stretch, I just assumed that Jose was on him -- as this is his trademark (among other shortcomings).

-BT- 08-31-2010 01:18 PM

i know the 7th isn't that easy of a race, but i can only come up with the obvious choices (1 and 6). Matz firing at 4% clip with firsters isn't that inviting. Rudy Rudy Rudy would be interesting if he draws in, and #5 Power Dreams first on the grass caught my eye as well

-bt-

parsixfarms 08-31-2010 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 690350)
Dominguez gets off Arch Support to ride Pleine Forme. The race is wide open though. I don't know how one can eliminate Dos Lunas and Believe in A. P.

Dos Lunas ran at Monmouth on Sunday. Since R. Dutrow is not her trainer, I'd have to think she'll be a scratch.

hockey2315 08-31-2010 01:51 PM

Pleine Forme looks very good considering the pedigree and relevant trainer angles, but the Pletcher looks sneaky. How often do you see him claim? The answer? Twice in the last 5 years. One of them was second by a neck going long on the turf at 10-1.

Scav 08-31-2010 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 690350)
Dominguez gets off Arch Support to ride Pleine Forme. The race is wide open though. I don't know how one can eliminate Dos Lunas and Believe in A. P.

He got off Arch Support because it wasn't a good race, which is why Believe in AP is a toss IMO because she is gonna get bet becausce Dicky Dutrow will tell everyone he loves her, like he did the last time she ran.

Dos Lunas ran a couple days ago at Monmouth, highly unlikely she is running again

Scav 08-31-2010 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 690372)
i know the 7th isn't that easy of a race, but i can only come up with the obvious choices (1 and 6). Matz firing at 4% clip with firsters isn't that inviting. Rudy Rudy Rudy would be interesting if he draws in, and #5 Power Dreams first on the grass caught my eye as well

-bt-

Power Dreams is a single to me, real good work on the surface he was almost guaranteed bred for. The only other horse is the first time Chad Brown but Power Dreams has alot of things I like when betting a horse in a baby race (3rd race, ran decent on his likely least preferred surface, two sprints / route). I expect him to be on or near the lead and just let his experience take over at the half mile pole

ateamstupid 08-31-2010 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 690400)
He got off Arch Support because it wasn't a good race, which is why Believe in AP is a toss IMO because she is gonna get bet becausce Dicky Dutrow will tell everyone he loves her, like he did the last time she ran.

Dos Lunas ran a couple days ago at Monmouth, highly unlikely she is running again

It's not exactly easy to win an 8.5 furlong turf race off of only a 5 furlong dirt race in which you did no running. I think Believe in A. P. is much more likely to move forward than Arch Support.

Scav 08-31-2010 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 690407)
It's not exactly easy to win an 8.5 furlong turf race off of only a 5 furlong dirt race in which you did no running. I think Believe in A. P. is much more likely to move forward than Arch Support.

I completely agree, but I think that move up will be more like next year, then tomorrow

RockHardTen1985 08-31-2010 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 690397)
Pleine Forme looks very good considering the pedigree and relevant trainer angles, but the Pletcher looks sneaky. How often do you see him claim? The answer? Twice in the last 5 years. One of them was second by a neck going long on the turf at 10-1.

Question with an answer...
STRONG.

hoovesupsideyourhead 08-31-2010 02:48 PM

[quote=Scav;690400]He got off Arch Support because it wasn't a good race, which is why Believe in AP is a toss IMO because she is gonna get bet becausce Dicky Dutrow will tell everyone he loves her, like he did the last time she ran.


that was very close to a one suit comment..dont make me unfriend you on facebook..

fantini33 08-31-2010 02:49 PM

The cats out of the bag on Thursday.......KITTYLICIOUS!! 15-1 ml in the feature.

Getting ahead of myself I know, but I cannot play on Wed, so looked ahead a bit to Thursday.

Nice card... :tro:

Good luck t'morrow folks!

RockHardTen1985 08-31-2010 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fantini33 (Post 690445)
The cats out of the bag on Thursday.......KITTYLICIOUS!! 15-1 ml in the feature.

Getting ahead of myself I know, but I cannot play on Wed, so looked ahead a bit to Thursday.

Nice card... :tro:

Good luck t'morrow folks!

She ran really well last time and could fill out the exacta at a more likely price of 30-1

the_fat_man 08-31-2010 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 690449)
She ran really well last time and could fill out the exacta at a more likely price of 30-1

Not well enough.

-BT- 08-31-2010 02:59 PM

I’m thinking about singling in the finale….. am I suicidal?

I just don’t see the need to add mediocre horses to a ticket … sure they could win, but nobody is jumping off the form for me. The Roadhouse…. I know this horses is headed in the complete wrong direction, but im interested in hearing others opinions on this race. Stream of Gold seems the only other logical horse to me in this race, but this is also a horse hitting bottom at the age of 9 with 27 lifetime starts, on form he comes off as a plodder.


-bt-

fantini33 08-31-2010 03:07 PM

Gonna play her in all spots and all over multi race wagers. Watch her last race. Ramon gets bottled up just a little last time and when clear blows by the others and just cannot get to the winner, who got first run.

I've said it for a long time..forwardly placed on the inner is the way to be, which is where she'll be. Ramon is great at this. He WILL get 1st run Thursday. Deep closers are ALWAYS overbet and seem to just not get up in time. That wire just gets there in a hurry on the inner. I've used this premise so many times successfully on the Saratoga inner with nice priced horses that I wish every card had 9 inner turf races.

Sitting on a big one and thinking that she is feeling good, which is why Gary throws her here.

IMO, she belongs here.

IMO

ateamstupid 08-31-2010 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 690459)
I’m thinking about singling in the finale….. am I suicidal?

I just don’t see the need to add mediocre horses to a ticket … sure they could win, but nobody is jumping off the form for me. The Roadhouse…. I know this horses is headed in the complete wrong direction, but im interested in hearing others opinions on this race. Stream of Gold seems the only other logical horse to me in this race, but this is also a horse hitting bottom at the age of 9 with 27 lifetime starts, on form he comes off as a plodder.


-bt-

The Roundhouse makes sense on paper, but he's just been such a complete disappointment this year, I could never single him. Stream of Gold is logical, but I think he needs a pace collapse to win and there really isn't much speed. If Eldoktori is able to sit just behind Cinder Cone, I think he'll take some catching in the stretch. I'm a little interested (as I often am) in Voss' horse, even though he appears to be in lousy form, he has some competitive turf races on the flats.

RockHardTen1985 08-31-2010 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 690468)
The Roundhouse makes sense on paper, but he's just been such a complete disappointment this year, I could never single him. Stream of Gold is logical, but I think he needs a pace collapse to win and there really isn't much speed. If Eldoktori is able to sit just behind Cinder Cone, I think he'll take some catching in the stretch. I'm a little interested (as I often am) in Voss' horse, even though he appears to be in lousy form, he has some competitive turf races on the flats.

This race makes the pick 6 almost unplayable to me.

Bigsmc 08-31-2010 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 690285)
I have a few opinions on this sequence....
I will be at the Spa in person for only the second time this meet.

I love the 1 in race 6. If I dont play this pick 6 I'll be betting him to win.

The 8th I love love love the 4. I also think the 9 is decent, but the 4 is big win bet and a really strong play for me.

I loved the 4 the other day when she was entered in a MSW going long on the grass, Sunday the 21st. Sloppy track, subsequent scratch and she shows up in a stake. Phipps obviously wants her on the grass, but it doesn't instill a ton of confidence when he was prepared to go in a Maiden race. I haven't looked at the condition book, but I suspect this is the only race left for 2yr old fillies going long on the grass.

I'll have to get through the rest of the card before I decide what to do with her.

Scav 08-31-2010 04:24 PM

[quote=hoovesupsideyourhead;690444]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 690400)
He got off Arch Support because it wasn't a good race, which is why Believe in AP is a toss IMO because she is gonna get bet becausce Dicky Dutrow will tell everyone he loves her, like he did the last time she ran.


that was very close to a one suit comment..dont make me unfriend you on facebook..

It is no where near that type of comment. Last time she ran I pushed on her as I was sitting with one of the larger players at Arlington and he talked to Dutrow, he loved her that day, and hated his horse in the last, who ended up being a late scratch (and if you go back in the archives you will see I said Dutrow hated the horse)

I don't think we are friends on FB, but unfriending is the new in thing I hear. Just happened to me the other day from someone on here actually. Quite hilarious.

ateamstupid 08-31-2010 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 690495)
I don't think we are friends on FB, but unfriending is the new in thing I hear. Just happened to me the other day from someone on here actually. Quite hilarious.

My bad, I just couldn't take it anymore.

-BT- 08-31-2010 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 690468)
The Roundhouse makes sense on paper, but he's just been such a complete disappointment this year, I could never single him. Stream of Gold is logical, but I think he needs a pace collapse to win and there really isn't much speed. If Eldoktori is able to sit just behind Cinder Cone, I think he'll take some catching in the stretch. I'm a little interested (as I often am) in Voss' horse, even though he appears to be in lousy form, he has some competitive turf races on the flats.


i really tried to make and excuse to use this horse....but i couldn't. I got him forth behind the obvious contenders and slick wheelie for god sakes. I just haven't seen the horse moving forward at the end of his last couple races..he did only lose his last by 3/4 but i think he's more apt to have a similar race 2 back where he stalks and just fades.... why the #5 Beneath the Crown is only 8-1 ml is beyond me.... wide open finale

-bt-

Scav 08-31-2010 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 690468)
The Roundhouse makes sense on paper, but he's just been such a complete disappointment this year, I could never single him. Stream of Gold is logical, but I think he needs a pace collapse to win and there really isn't much speed. If Eldoktori is able to sit just behind Cinder Cone, I think he'll take some catching in the stretch. I'm a little interested (as I often am) in Voss' horse, even though he appears to be in lousy form, he has some competitive turf races on the flats.

I'm 1/2/3/4 in this race and not comfortable, but I thought Voss's horse was the most interesting, jumps obviously didn't work and as you said, his races back at Laurel fit here.

Why can't Cinder Cone go gate to wire? If those jocks don't respect his speed and let him go 25/50, he could be gone.

Scav 08-31-2010 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 690496)
My bad, I just couldn't take it anymore.

It wasn't you...!

-BT- 08-31-2010 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 690498)
I'm 1/2/3/4 in this race and not comfortable, but I thought Voss's horse was the most interesting, jumps obviously didn't work and as you said, his races back at Laurel fit here.

Why can't Cinder Cone go gate to wire? If those jocks don't respect his speed and let him go 25/50, he could be gone.


that form dates back to '08 when richard's kid was a dirt horse.... and now :confused:

voss could crush me in this one, i just can't find a way to put him on the ticket


-bt-


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