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Alan07 08-17-2010 12:50 PM

8/21 (AP): International Festival of Racing
 
7th (3:06) Stars and Stripes Turf S. (G3)

1 5/8 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 1 Big Al Jaen A Yanez Moises R 119 L 12-1
2 2 Perfect Shower Dominguez R A Attfield Roger L 119 L 3-1
3 3 Lemonade Kid Leparoux J R Mitchell Anthony 119 L 12-1
4 4 Memorial Maniac Graham J Demeritte Larry 119 L 6-1
5 5 Blushing Bear Karlsson I Dodgen James A 119 L 5-1
6 6 Armstrong Mill Fallon K Clement Christophe 119 L 9-2
7 7 Rumor Has It Baze M C Hinsley David H 119 L 30-1
8 8 Free Fighter Torres F C Block Chris M 121 L 5-2
9 9 Weggie Perez E E Block Chris M 119 L 20-1

$2 Win / Place / Show / $2 Daily Double (7-8) / $2 Exacta / $0.50 Trifecta $0.10 Superfecta / $1 Pick 3 (Races 7-8-9) / $1 Mid Pick 4 (7-8-9-10)



8th (3:37) Secretariat S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 1 Paddy O'Prado Desormeaux K J Romans Dale 126 L 1-1
2 2 Mister Marti Gras Perez E E Block Chris M 123 L 10-1
3 3 Cherokee Lord Felix J E Livesay Charlie 119 L 30-1
4 4 Wigmore Hall (IRE) Spencer J P Bell Michael L 123 FTL 5-1
5 5 Dean's Kitten Leparoux J R Maker Michael J 123 L 8-1
6 6 Two Notch Road Baze M C Thompson Glenn R 119 L 12-1
7 7 Workin for Hops Torres F C Stidham Michael 123 L 5-2

$2 Win / Place / Show / $2 Daily Double (8-9) / $2 Exacta / $0.50 Trifecta $0.10 Superfecta / Festival Pick 3 (Races 8-9-10)


9th (4:24) Beverly D. S. (G1)

1 3/16 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000

1 1 Pachattack Fallon K Butler Gerard A 123 FTL 8-1
2 2 Hot Cha Cha Graham J Sims Phillip A 123 L 6-1
3 3 Acoma Castanon J L Carroll David 123 L 8-1
4 4 Gypsy's Warning (SAF) Buick W Motion H Graham 123 L 10-1
5 5 Rainbow View Leparoux J R Sheppard Jonathan E 123 L 4-1
6 6 Eclair de Lune (GER) Alvarado J McAnally Ronald 123 L 5-1
7 7 Biased (GB) Benoist G Delzangles Mikel 123 20-1
8 8 Romacaca Baze M C Canani Nick 123 L 20-1
9 9 Treat Gently (GB) Desormeaux K J Mott William I 123 L 9-2
10 10 Ave (GB) Dominguez R A Attfield Roger L 123 L 5-1

$2 Win / Place / Show / $2 Daily Double (9-10) / $2 Exacta / $0.50 Trifecta $0.10 Superfecta / $1 Pick 3 (Races 9-10-11) / $1 Late Pick 4 (Races 9-10-11-12)



10th (5:14) Arlington Million S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 1 Marsh Side Nakatani C S Drysdale Neil 126 L 12-1
2 2 Debussy (IRE) Buick W Gosden John H M 126 FTL 12-1
3 3 General Quarters Graham J McCarthy Thomas R 126 L 8-1
4 4 Just as Well Leparoux J R Sheppard Jonathan E 126 L 5-1
5 5 Quite a Handful Riggs T Hansen Andrew M 126 L 30-1
6 6 Gio Ponti Dominguez R A Clement Christophe 126 L 7-5
7 7 Rahystrada Karlsson I Hughes Byron G 126 L 10-1
8 8 Tajaaweed Baze M C Peitz Daniel C 126 L 15-1
9 9 Tazeez Hills R Gosden John H M 126 FTL 6-1
10 10 Summit Surge (IRE) Fallon K Cumani Luca M 126 FTL 10-1

$2 Win / Place / Show / $2 Daily Double (10-11) / $2 Exacta / $0.50 Trifecta $0.10 Superfecta / $1 Pick 3 (Races 10-11-12) / Super High-5

RockHardTen1985 08-17-2010 12:58 PM

This looks miserable.

miraja2 08-17-2010 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 684136)
This looks miserable.

So according to you:

last week's Sword Dancer was "horrible."
Kantharos "sucks."
and this trio of races is "miserable."

It might be time for you to find a new hobby my friend.

Alan07 08-17-2010 01:03 PM

The remainder of the Million Day card will be drawn on Wednesday.

Sightseek 08-17-2010 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 684138)
So according to you:

last week's Sword Dancer was "horrible."
Kantharos "sucks."
and this trio of races is "miserable."

It might be time for you to find a new hobby my friend.

Honestly though, don't you think the races are a bit disappointing this year?

RockHardTen1985 08-17-2010 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 684138)
So according to you:

last week's Sword Dancer was "horrible."
Kantharos "sucks."
and this trio of races is "miserable."

It might be time for you to find a new hobby my friend.

Maybe they are good betting races, but the quality is not there... IMO.

The Sword Dancer cast would be destroyed by a third string Euro. Can you argue that? When is the last time Telling won? I bet Al Khali, what does he do everytime he steps up? Sure he can win an allowance race....

miraja2 08-17-2010 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 684143)
Maybe they are good betting races, but the quality is not there... IMO.

The Sword Dancer cast would be destroyed by a third string Euro. Can you argue that? When is the last time Telling won? I bet Al Khali, what does he do everytime he steps up? Sure he can win an allowance race....

The Sword Dancer and the Million have been splitting up the older male turf division for years. Given the usual lack of depth in that division, I honestly don't know that it is reasonable to expect much more. When you have two big G1 races in the same division one week apart, you simply aren't going to get two full fields of outstanding horses. I thought the Sword Dancer field was fine given that fact, as I explained to you on that thread.

miraja2 08-17-2010 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 684141)
Honestly though, don't you think the races are a bit disappointing this year?

Certainly they aren't the best races in the history of Arlington's signature day, but I wouldn't call them "miserable." I think the big Paddy-Workin showdown in the Secretariat makes that race interesting. The Beverly D is a highly competetive race. The Million has the division leader and several intriguing spoilers coming off of very good prep races.
Again, nobody is going to confuse any of these races with the 1978 JCGC, but they aren't bad.

Clip-Clop 08-17-2010 01:59 PM

I really hope Ave is 5-1

hockey2315 08-17-2010 02:16 PM

Were these really great races last year? They look semi-bettable, but who really knows w/o PP's.

CSC 08-17-2010 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 684162)
I really hope Ave is 5-1

I hope they bet her, though I like Attfield as a trainer, his career record in open grade 1's would make you want to rush to the windows to bet against him.

NTamm1215 08-17-2010 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 684167)
I hope they bet her, though I like Attfield as a trainer, his career record in open grade 1's would make you want to rush to the windows to bet against him.

So Attfield is 0 for his last 17 in GI races. He also has a positive ROI on the turf over the last five years by a large margin. 98-526 with an ROI of $2.41, that's phenomenal with that kind of sample size.

NT

eajinabi 08-17-2010 02:29 PM

Eclair De Lune looks very intruiging. Came a game second to Tuscan Evening (RIP) last out and McCanaly was very high on this horse from the start and him shipping out of cali is very rare.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-17-2010 02:36 PM

I actually think these three races are all pretty interesting races - and atleast two of them should ultimately be good betting races.

RockHardTen1985 08-17-2010 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 684170)
I actually think these three races are all pretty interesting races - and atleast two of them should ultimately be good betting races.


When I said miserable, I was talking about the quality.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-17-2010 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 684172)
When I said miserable, I was talking about the quality.

I don't know if I'd agree with that either. Especially considering what we've seen in Gr 1's so far this year.

Two of these races have clearly the best American horse within the divison - and there are some interesting Euro's as well.

Sightseek 08-17-2010 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 684148)
Certainly they aren't the best races in the history of Arlington's signature day, but I wouldn't call them "miserable." I think the big Paddy-Workin showdown in the Secretariat makes that race interesting. The Beverly D is a highly competetive race. The Million has the division leader and several intriguing spoilers coming off of very good prep races.
Again, nobody is going to confuse any of these races with the 1978 JCGC, but they aren't bad.

I guess if you're speaking relatively to what is running this year..

(what makes you think the Paddy - Hops showdown is going to be any different than their meeting at CNL?)

SniperSB23 08-17-2010 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 684145)
The Sword Dancer and the Million have been splitting up the older male turf division for years. Given the usual lack of depth in that division, I honestly don't know that it is reasonable to expect much more. When you have two big G1 races in the same division one week apart, you simply aren't going to get two full fields of outstanding horses. I thought the Sword Dancer field was fine given that fact, as I explained to you on that thread.

Plus the Hall of Fame Stakes is taking horses from the Secretariat and the Beverly is competing for horses with the Diana.

hockey2315 08-17-2010 02:54 PM

Paddy isn't unbeatable, but there's no chance that Working for Hops beats him in a fairly run race.

RockHardTen1985 08-17-2010 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 684178)
Paddy isn't unbeatable, but there's no chance that Working for Hops beats him in a fairly run race.

So then who beats him? Or is he unbeatable in this spot?

hockey2315 08-17-2010 02:55 PM

I don't know much about that euro, so I'll have to wait for the PP's on him. The 2 is semi-live at a price.

Scav 08-17-2010 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 684179)
So then who beats him? Or is he unbeatable in this spot?

The Irish one says Wigmore Hall is gonna run huge. It screws up my plans because that makes him an auto use for me, two deep, Wigmore Hall and Paddy O Prado

Scav 08-17-2010 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 684139)
The remainder of the Million Day card will be drawn on Wednesday.

Which probably will be miserable, unless they use this 2 year old race then life will be great! :)

Scav 08-17-2010 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 684178)
Paddy isn't unbeatable, but there's no chance that Working for Hops beats him in a fairly run race.

Hops is gonna struggle to even run third in this race. All eyes, literally, will be on him. ;)

RockHardTen1985 08-17-2010 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 684188)
Which probably will be miserable, unless they use this 2 year old race then life will be great! :)



What 2yr old race do you speak of Thomas?

Scav 08-17-2010 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 684193)
What 2yr old race do you speak of Thomas?

:zz:

You get no answer

CSC 08-17-2010 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 684168)
So Attfield is 0 for his last 17 in GI races. He also has a positive ROI on the turf over the last five years by a large margin. 98-526 with an ROI of $2.41, that's phenomenal with that kind of sample size.

NT

Was Alydeed his last grade 1 winner? I remember Talkin Man winning the Wood Memorial but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a grade 1 then. He does well with what he has, no argument there, but his horses almost always seem to be short of grade 1 caliber.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-17-2010 03:42 PM

Perfect Soul.

Bigsmc 08-17-2010 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 684193)
What 2yr old race do you speak of Thomas?

One that will be horrible, miserable and suck.

Clip-Clop 08-17-2010 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 684168)
So Attfield is 0 for his last 17 in GI races. He also has a positive ROI on the turf over the last five years by a large margin. 98-526 with an ROI of $2.41, that's phenomenal with that kind of sample size.

NT

His numbers in these races are not great, I get that. Just thinking the horse will run well, like Ramon too. I will be betting her, for sure. Not enough to affect the odds though.

RockHardTen1985 08-17-2010 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 684197)
:zz:

You get no answer


Pleaseeee Thomas, talk to Joey.

CSC 08-17-2010 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 684212)
His numbers in these races are not great, I get that. Just thinking the horse will run well, like Ramon too. I will be betting her, for sure. Not enough to affect the odds though.

In the Dance Smartly she seemed like she was always going to get up but Mekong Melody another Attfield horse held on, the turf course there can be misleading. There is a big misconception that stretch runners have an inordinate advantage on the long stretch. Jambalaya never ran as well on that course as he did at GP and yes Arlington Park. If there is an angle at work for you maybe this is it and she will improve at AP. Still she won't get a nickle from me.

Clip-Clop 08-17-2010 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 684168)
So Attfield is 0 for his last 17 in GI races. He also has a positive ROI on the turf over the last five years by a large margin. 98-526 with an ROI of $2.41, that's phenomenal with that kind of sample size.

NT

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 684222)
In the Dance Smartly she seemed like she was always going to get up but Mekong Melody another Attfield horse held on, the turf course there can be misleading. There is a big misconception that stretch runners have an inordinate advantage on the long stretch. Jambalaya never ran as well on that course as he did at GP and yes Arlington Park. If there is an angle at work for you maybe this is it and she will improve at AP. Still she won't get a nickle from me.

Kinda what I was hoping for. Who will be getting your nickels that I am hoping will become my nickels?

CSC 08-17-2010 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 684225)
Kinda what I was hoping for. Who will be getting your nickels that I am hoping will become my nickels?

I've had some goodluck with Euro's throughout the years, that's probably where I am leaning for the Million/Bev D.

Indian Charlie 08-17-2010 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 684198)
I remember Talkin Man winning the Wood Memorial but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a grade 1 then.

The last time the Wood wasn't g1 was when they didn't have gradings for stakes.

parsixfarms 08-17-2010 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 684234)
The last time the Wood wasn't g1 was when they didn't have gradings for stakes.

The Wood was a grade II from 1995-2001, which would include the victory by Talkin Man in 1995.

CSC 08-17-2010 08:55 PM

His win in the Grade 2 Gotham over Dahoss was even more impressive one race before the Wood, with Smith aboard. No doubt it was one of the reasons why he chose TM over Thunder Gulch. I thought it was prophetic how Lukas referred to him as Walkin Man leading up to that derby. TG was able to back up Lukas' trash talk.

GBBob 08-17-2010 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 684214)
Pleaseeee Thomas, talk to Joey.

We are hoping they use this race

SUBSTITUTE RACE NO 1 ALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING S1 Purse $41,480. (Includes $10,980 from the I.O.A. for ICF) For Fillies Two
Years Old Which Have Never Won $8,800 Once Other Than Maiden,
Claiming, Starter, Or State Bred Or Have Never Won Two Races Or
Claiming Price $50,000. (Condition Eligibility)
Weight 120 lbs.
Non-winners Of A Race Since July 21 3 lbs.
Claiming Price $50,000
(Races Where Entered For $35,000 Or Less Not Considered)

johnny pinwheel 08-17-2010 11:18 PM

hot cha cha is as honest as they can be......i'll take a stab at 6-1.

RockHardTen1985 08-18-2010 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 684376)
We are hoping they use this race

SUBSTITUTE RACE NO 1 ALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING S1 Purse $41,480. (Includes $10,980 from the I.O.A. for ICF) For Fillies Two
Years Old Which Have Never Won $8,800 Once Other Than Maiden,
Claiming, Starter, Or State Bred Or Have Never Won Two Races Or
Claiming Price $50,000. (Condition Eligibility)
Weight 120 lbs.
Non-winners Of A Race Since July 21 3 lbs.
Claiming Price $50,000
(Races Where Entered For $35,000 Or Less Not Considered)


If they do, Good Luck to you guys.


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