Torry Holt
 

Out for the year.

Him not suiting up for the Pats preseason debut was injury related.

Brashton Satele is also out with a sprained ankle for the Jets.

About as consequential as Holt's injury.

Holt's a future hall of famer ... he came into the league a year after Moss did .. he only had 722 rec yards last year - but he also had Byron Leftwhich 2.0 throwing him the ball on a team that called running play after running play. He also missed a game and only started 12 of the games. Maybe he's fading bad - but who knows.

Who is Brashton Stale again?

It's like you get a kick out of being as ignorant as possible about football.

Torry Holt is a future Hall of Famer though. That's the thing.

I disagree... He is spot on about this.

Yes, Torry Holt's old ass was going to be the difference between getting reamed by a 6-seed at home in the first round of playoffs AND A RETURN TO FACKIN GLAWRY!!!!!

Baltimore is legit. They crush you opening night.

Sure. They looked real legit scoring 3 points against the Colts the following week.

Can we agree that getting Boldin will be huge? If they had a big weapon the past 3-5 years in the AFC might have been different, and this is coming from a die hard Pats fan.

But they crushed the Pats without Boldin, so how does that help your excuse for the massacre at Foxboro?

His old ass could help against the Jets blitz or teams who tried to do what the Saints did last year and double team both Moss and Welker. He may have lost a step or two and maybe he's like a former Grade 1 winner in for a 25K tag .. but he's still cagey and proven... and with Brady throwing him the ball and defenses no longer respecting him like they have .. he could still make a few clutch plays one would think.

Everyone thought Pedro Martinez had totally lost it - and when he went to Philly last year - even though his stuff wasn't very good anymore he still pitched awesome right into the world series.

Last years playoffs mean nothing. The Jets lost the AFC East like they always do - and had they not had Indy pull it's starters with the lead in the 2nd half of week 16 - they never would have even made the playoffs anyway... and you'd be talking about the Jets .. the team who missed the playoffs and lost its division to a team who got obliterated at home by a 6 seed in the playoffs.

You brought Baltimore into this, not me.

He wants to pretend that the New England team that fell behind 28-0 in the first quarter at home - was a perfectly healthy group playing their best football.

Thanks for the input. Moss will never win a ring.

Correct, and you defended the Pats getting brained by them by saying they're legit.. THIS year. Well done.

Who needs a ring?

The NFL Network rated the top 10 greatest teams to never win the Super Bowl.

#1 and #2 were both teams Moss starred on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIDPpNu-q-E

How many other guys can say they played on the 2 greatest teams of all-time never to win a ring? Just him - he was the only common link between those two teams.

The #3 rated team was the Baltimore Colts team that blew the Super Bowl to the Jets as like 17 point chalks. How many Rings have the Jets won since that upset?

Dude the Jets suck.... Please, stop.
Ravens, Pats, it does not matter. They are all better then the Jets.
Your not going anywhere with Mark Sanchez.

Life is good. Thanks fam.

Moss gets a ring this year, thats a fact.

I feel good about it.

Me 2 Doug, me 2.

No rings for Moss. Nevah

Thanks to utterly incompetent defense and kicking he didn't get one in Minny - and thanks to an insanely lucky play by Eli .. the Pats didn't go 19-0 with him scoring the game winning TD late in the 4th quarter.

He won a national championship his freshman year at Marshall - he scored like 4 TDs and had 292 yards in the nat championship game against a team that was 14-0. Pretty big game for a wideout.

Wait Marshall won the Trophy? I don't think so....revisionist history is not history. Keep dreamin

We shall see. I am confident in my Pats, I am confident in Moss, I am confident in Coach, and I am confident the Jets will choke.... My only fear is Baltimore.

You act like not having a ring is a good thing. Like 20 years from now a bunch of old players are going to be sitting around talking and showing off their championship rings and stuff. What's Moss going to say....I don't have a ring, but I played on the two best teams to not get one? Who needs a ring?

Even though I agree with Doug on this, hes just busting your balls here. He is talking about NCAA football for 360.

Pennington and his noodle arm, I don't miss him on the Jets...Now Vinny, though braindead, I loved him.

Moss right now is a top 5 all time WR, is that even a question?
So, yea who needs a ring?

Marshall was the 1 double A National champion his freshman year. They went 15-0 and absolutely obliterated every team they played. Widely regarded as the best offensive unit and team ever at that level.

His sophomore year (and final year) - they moved Marshall up to D-1. They went undefeated in the MAC confrence and won its champion game. They did lose a non confrence shoot-out against West Virgina that year - and lost a bowl game shoot out to Ole Miss.

Is this the Little League World Series? No. Get a grip. He isn't a winner.

Dam I totally forgot about that.... Moss is even better then I thought.

Everyone that plays the game plays for a ring. No one plays so people can say they were a top 5 all time receiver.

Yes. He's the only guy who can say that.

One guy can't win a ring - they can only make their unit better. Those were the two greatest offensive units of all-time in terms of scoring points.

Moss can't help his kicker make simple kicks and he can't help his defense stop desperate wobbly hail mary passes over the middle that get caught off of a guys helmet.

So being a HOF is not worth playing for? I get what your saying though, and Im not going to argue it, to just argue. I am sure Moss wants a ring badly, but like Dan Marino and tons of other greats in all sports, I dont think he needs one to be considered an all time great.

More excellent points, your sharp tonight....

They play for money. It's a business.

Any player who's honest will tell you that they'd rather make 5 million a year and never win a ring than make 500K a year and win 10 rings.

Ask Revis. It's about getting paid.

Winning is the only thing that matters in team sports.

Stick to horse racing.