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smartbid09 08-14-2010 04:56 PM

Who are the 2 Year Olds People are talking about?
 
As a big triple crown fan I'm curious who are the two year olds that have buzz at the moment?

ateamstupid 08-14-2010 05:16 PM

The two-year-olds who have buzz in August usually have little to do with the Triple Crown, but Kantharos and Boys at Toscanova are two who come to mind.

PSH 08-14-2010 07:08 PM

2 Year Olds
 
Angry Dragon is the buzz in my house....

clyde 08-14-2010 07:12 PM

Early buzzing is a big no-no with Alex.




Believe me...I know.

Habersham000 08-14-2010 07:40 PM

Sherriff Cogburn looks to be a nice colt for Don Von Hemel...nice debut at Arlington breaking from the rail while having to check in traffic on the turn. Then won a stakes race at a mile at Prairie Meadows looking very impressive. Could be something nice...

hockey2315 08-14-2010 07:49 PM

Stay Thirsty, who won at Saratoga today, is pretty well-regarded as the type who should stretch out.

Monarchos1 08-14-2010 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Habersham000 (Post 683002)
Sherriff Cogburn looks to be a nice colt for Don Von Hemel...nice debut at Arlington breaking from the rail while having to check in traffic on the turn. Then won a stakes race at a mile at Prairie Meadows looking very impressive. Could be something nice...


His debut race produced a winner today.

Betsy 08-14-2010 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 683005)
Stay Thirsty, who won at Saratoga today, is pretty well-regarded as the type who should stretch out.

I read that he might be pointed for the Hopeful........

He's pretty speedy, so despite his pedigree I'm not sure how far he'd want to go, but he's a good one.

hockey2315 08-14-2010 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 683026)
I read that he might be pointed for the Hopeful........

He's pretty speedy, so despite his pedigree I'm not sure how far he'd want to go, but he's a good one.

He'll be infinitely better going longer. I didn't think he was that impressive today, to be honest, but I'd upgrade it a little since he's not going to be a sprinter.

Pedigree Ann 08-14-2010 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 683027)
He'll be infinitely better going longer. I didn't think he was that impressive today, to be honest, but I'd upgrade it a little since he's not going to be a sprinter.

Stay Thirsty is a half-brother to notable plodder Andromeda's Hero and his sire Bernardini never won at less than a mile, so, no, he's not likely to be most effective as a sprinter.

Betsy 08-14-2010 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann (Post 683032)
Stay Thirsty is a half-brother to notable plodder Andromeda's Hero and his sire Bernardini never won at less than a mile, so, no, he's not likely to be most effective as a sprinter.

Obviously you wouldn't think so; I only stated that because he's a fast horse......more precocious than most Bernardinis (except for all his turf orses in Europe, lol)

Betsy 08-14-2010 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 683027)
He'll be infinitely better going longer. I didn't think he was that impressive today, to be honest, but I'd upgrade it a little since he's not going to be a sprinter.

Just curious - Why weren't you overly impressed? Time-wise? Field? I thought he ran very well. Was he dazzling? Maybe not, but I think we both agree he's talented........given his pedigree, I don't need to be seeing him run BSF through the roof.

Actually, I hope that he doesn't go to the Hopeful; is that run Labor Day weekend? Seems pushing it with a horse that's bred to get better as he matures.

NTamm1215 08-14-2010 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 683051)
Actually, I hope that he doesn't go to the Hopeful; is that run Labor Day weekend? Seems pushing it with a horse that's bred to get better as he matures.

Can we get a moratorium on you choosing races for certain horses?

NT

Betsy 08-14-2010 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 683052)
Can we get a moratorium on you choosing races for certain horses?

NT

Just what exactly is your problem? I suppose you have always thought that every move a trainer makes is exactly the right move? Good for you if that's the case.

NTamm1215 08-14-2010 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 683053)
Just what exactly is your problem? I suppose you have always thought that every move a trainer makes is exactly the right move? Good for you if that's the case.

Oddly enough I'm one of those lunatics who actually likes seeing horses run, especially graded stakes caliber horses in graded stakes races. I know, I'm weird.

NT

ateamstupid 08-14-2010 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 683051)
Actually, I hope that he doesn't go to the Hopeful; is that run Labor Day weekend? Seems pushing it with a horse that's bred to get better as he matures.

Death, taxes, ..

Betsy 08-14-2010 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 683054)
Oddly enough I'm one of those lunatics who actually likes seeing horses run, especially graded stakes caliber horses in graded stakes races. I know, I'm weird.

NT

Right...............too bad Pletcher can't enter this horse back in the Saratoga Special.

What does your comment have to do with mine? You seriously don't think there is such a thing as too many races in a short space of time? Especially with a 2 year old?

NTamm1215 08-14-2010 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 683056)
Right...............too bad Pletcher can't enter this horse back in the Saratoga Special.

What does your comment have to do with mine? You seriously don't think there is such a thing as too many races in a short space of time? Especially with a 2 year old?

Sweetheart, come on now, your record of complaining when horses are entered in certain races is endless. Running this horse back in 23 days is now some great affront? Please, just because the modern day super trainer thinks that every horse needs 40+ days doesn't mean you have to buy their BS lines.

NT

Sightseek 08-14-2010 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 683056)
Right...............too bad Pletcher can't enter this horse back in the Saratoga Special.

What does your comment have to do with mine? You seriously don't think there is such a thing as too many races in a short space of time? Especially with a 2 year old?

How do you think horses handled it before the "new era" of horse management?

Betsy 08-14-2010 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 683058)
Sweetheart, come on now, your record of complaining when horses are entered in certain races is endless. Running this horse back in 23 days is now some great affront? Please, just because the modern day super trainer thinks that every horse needs 40+ days doesn't mean you have to buy their BS lines.

NT

Well obviously if the Hopeful is later in the schedule than I think then that changes things..........

Betsy 08-14-2010 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 683060)
How do you think horses handled it before the "new era" of horse management?

Back in the good old days? They handled it just fine.

ateamstupid 08-14-2010 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 683062)
Well obviously if the Hopeful is later in the schedule than I think then that changes things..........

Yeah right. You'd still find a problem with it.

Betsy 08-14-2010 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 683064)
Yeah right. You'd still find a problem with it.


Ok, so what? If you want to get on my case about this, so be it...............

AlreadyHome 08-15-2010 12:05 AM

Kantharos % Wine Police
 
Wine Police another 2yr old with a Buzz thats in the same stable with a future King,.. Kantharos :tro:

RockHardTen1985 08-15-2010 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 683052)
Can we get a moratorium on you choosing races for certain horses?

NT


What is your problem?

AlreadyHome 08-15-2010 12:32 AM

Who are the 2 Year Olds People are talking about?
 
this thread is about Who are the 2 Year Olds People are talking about?
some how it has taken a detour can we get back on the subject an anyother stuff about races an etc... start a new thread...


Skylord is another one with a buzzz

Danzig 08-15-2010 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 683051)
Just curious - Why weren't you overly impressed? Time-wise? Field? I thought he ran very well. Was he dazzling? Maybe not, but I think we both agree he's talented........given his pedigree, I don't need to be seeing him run BSF through the roof.

Actually, I hope that he doesn't go to the Hopeful; is that run Labor Day weekend? Seems pushing it with a horse that's bred to get better as he matures.

seriously? i'm surprised you'd say that. :rolleyes:

Sightseek 08-15-2010 11:21 AM

Thoroughbred Times published a chart recently of the number of starters and races carded for two year olds and the decline is fairly signifcant. Just a few years ago Afleet Alex would be preparing for his 4th start...

(What were they thinking only giving him two weeks between an Allowance and the Sanford Stakes?! ;) )

Pedigree Ann 08-15-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 683199)
Thoroughbred Times published a chart recently of the number of starters and races carded for two year olds and the decline is fairly signifcant. Just a few years ago Afleet Alex would be preparing for his 4th start...

(What were they thinking only giving him two weeks between an Allowance and the Sanford Stakes?! ;) )

Affirmed won the Sanford on August 17 and the Hopeful on August 27, after having run in two stakes downstate, the Youthful on June 15 and the Great American on July 6, and flying across country to win the Hollywood Juvenile Championship on July 23. And breaking his maiden at the end of May.

City Zip in 2000 is the last colt to have won all three open stakes for 2yos at Saratoga (there used to be more - Man o' War ran in 4 stakes at Saratoga as a 2yo). This "my horsey is too fragile to run back in two (three, or whatever) weeks" attitude is a very new development. Even Bob Baffert remarked after Silverbulletday was inducted into the Hall of Fame, "I'd forgotten we ran her that often." And that was barely 10 years ago.

clyde 08-15-2010 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 683052)
Can we get a moratorium on you choosing races for certain horses?

NT


Well..what is your problem??

clyde 08-15-2010 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 683067)
Ok, so what? If you want to get on my case about this, so be it...............


And what is your prob......oh forget it.

Antitrust32 08-16-2010 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 683053)
Just what exactly is your problem? I suppose you have always thought that every move a trainer makes is exactly the right move? Good for you if that's the case.

Is the hopeful really that tough of a spot?

NTamm1215 08-16-2010 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by clyde (Post 683213)
Well..what is your problem??

I have no horsey sense.

ET

clyde 08-16-2010 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 683570)
I have no horsey sense.

ET



spray!!


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