Week/Weekend Stakes Beyers
 

SAR A. G. Vanderbilt H (G1): Majesticperfection 115 (S. Asmussen/S. Bridgmohan)
SAR Whitney H (G1): Blame 111 (A. Stall/G. Gomez)
SAR Test S (G1): Champagne d'Oro 97 (E. Guillot/M. Mena)
SAR Honorable Miss H (G2): Secret Gypsy 98 (R. Werner/J. Theriot)
SAR Amsterdam S (G2): Discreetly Mine 111 (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez)
SAR Hattie Moseley S: Sea Road 82 (S. Hough/C. Velasquez)
SAR John's Call S: Always First 91 (T. Voss/R. Albarado)
SAR Loudonville S: Lisa's Booby Trap 94 (T. Snyder/K. Desormeaux)
SAR Latham S: Bridgetown 92 (K. McPeek/J. Leparoux)
SAR John Morrissey S: Endless Circle 97 (R. Rodriguez/E. Prado)
SAR De La Rose S: Miss Keller 96 (R. Attfield/J. Castellano)

WO Seagram Cup S (G3): Sand Cove 99 (R. Attfield/R. Dos Ramos)
WO Nandi S: Tree Pose 75 (W. Tharrenos/J. Jones)
WO Duchess S: Sharp Secretary 87 (L. Richards/E. Da Silva)
WO Shepperton S: Grazettes Landing 93 (M. Casse/C. Fraser)
WO Royal North S (G3): Unzip Me 97 (M. Jones/J. Talamo)


MNR West Virginia Derby (G2): Concord Point 99 (B. Baffert/M. Garcia)
MNR West Virginia Governor's S: Demarcation 96 (P. McGee/J. Rosario)
MNR Harvey Arneault Memorial S: Native Ruler 96 (C. Richard/J. Theriot)
MNR West Virginia Senate President's S: Kiss Mine 95 (D. Vance/R. Albarado)

DMR Clement L. Hirsch S (G1): Zenyatta 94 (J. Shirreffs/M. Smith)
DMR Best Pal S (G2): J P's Gusto TBD (D. Hofmans/P. Valenzuela)
DMR Sorrento S (G3): Wickedly Perfect 73 (D. O'Neill/R. Bejarano)
DMR Graduation S: Bench Points 69 (T. Yakteen/R. Bejarano)

MTH My Frenchman S: A Unique Treasure 98 (J. Cibelli/E. Trujillo)
MTH Colleen S: Twelve Pack Shelly 79 (J. Salzman/H. Vega)
MTH Select S: Out of Respect TBD (S. Volk/P. Lopez)

Nice middle move from Bribon ....





Swept Overboard or Lit De Justice in their prime aren't winning that once MP got loose.

My first thought after watching the replay again was I can't wait to bet Bribon back if they meet up again down the line.

Maybe Todd enters that Starlight pig to make things harder up front for Majesticperfection

MP got away with 22.8 45.6

The 2yo Filly in the 4th went 21.8 45.9

i hear ya. i bet bribon....he never had a chance with that set up.

Bribon had the visually impressive run but that's really not the whole story. Coa basically BLEW the race for EVERYONE except the winner. By not running early, he allows the winner to get away with a slow early split and, as a result, dust the field. By not running early he also takes a, potentially, perfect trip away from Mambo Meister, by forcing that one to run a lot closer to the pace early than he really wants; and eliminates any closer from winning the race. Ask yourselves this: if BRIBON is rushed early to be where MM was, where does he finish in the race? And does he make that impressive move?

OR he assured his mount of 2nd place by not engaging in a speed duel

Come on, after all the rides where these jocks BLOW 2nd by idiotic moves on the 2nd best horse? These jocks don't ride for 2nd and Coa didn't here either. He's too stupid and cocky.

Doesn't this contradict what you said in the other thread?

No

An example of that situation would be Maragh's ride on Flat Bold in the James Marvin.

In one extreme, you can duel in a fast pace against a better/faster horse and hope to take him down but definitely take yourself down --- Flat Bold

In the other, you can let a fast horse get loose in slow fractions and forget about ever getting him. Now, I know that the connections didn't bring Big Drama up to Saratoga to have him SIT behind fractions slower than some 2 year old maidens ran earlier. They're happy with 2nd but they're wondering what happens if Coa was just a LITTLE BIT ahead of Mambo Meister early.

I told you it would happen. His job isn't to set the race up for Mambo Meister, it's to give his mount the best chance to win. His only chance to win was not to engage Majesticperfection, and instead to rate a length off him and try to outfinish him. It didn't work because Big Drama is an inferior horse, but he and the connections got a much bigger check than if he had dueled with MP.

I think you and everybody else thought that BD would be OUTRUN by, or choose not to run with, M. This typically involves a FAST pace by a FAST horse. This wasn't the case here and Coa miscalculated and just happened to ass out. What you described above is more representative of what happened 2 races back in Florida, where BD sat behind dueling leaders in a FAST early split.

Here are the splits for the sprint races that day:

R2 MAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT Two Year Old (S) Dirt 5F Fast 21.84
R4 MAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT Two Year Old Fillies Dirt 6.5F Fast 21.83
R8 Honorable Miss G2 Three Year Old/ Up F/M Dirt 6F Fast 22.43
R9 Vanderbilt H. Grade 1 Three Year Old Upward Dirt 6F Fast 22.80

The fastest sprinter in the country just happened to get away with the slowest quarter of the day. And Coa rated off it.

False. That's not what I said. I said the pace would be slow because Coa would decide not to duel with MP. That's what happened.

I stand corrected. You correctly predicted that the fastest horse in the country would SLOW DOWN the pace. Hope the $15 exacta was all you.

I obviously read the pace wrong, however, watch the head on and see the start Big Drama gets. It isn't horrible...but he gets pinched between horses and then veers towards the rail. It potentially cost him an early length to MP and any chance of going to the front. Once MP got in front early, Coa had no other choice but to lay off. That may have been the plan all along but they were obviously playing for 2nd if it was.

:rolleyes: poor baby.

Enjoy, Joey.

Hope it takes away the sting of getting it stuck you know where with your Quality Road. :rolleyes:

Then again, you're the one with the ax to grind.

You just can't stand it when anybody else is right about pace except you.

If you've ever read what I've said about QR, I'm actually not a big fan, so the joke's on you.

Agreed. Classic game theory. Once Majesticperfection was commited to the lead, Big Drama could either push him for it (which might give BD a slightly better chance of winning the race, but also much larger chance of one/both faltering badly in the stretch) or basically concede the race and sit second off easy fractions (making it very likely he will finish 2nd, knowing no closers will come, and hope his mount can somehow out finish Majesticperfection).

Really? But since I've been just about his biggest detractor on this board, don't I get any credit? Notice how I picked out all the people who disagreed with me and let them know it. Notice how many posted about me being correct.

I don't think that too many agreed with your 'slow pace' theory before the race. But, that's the way it played out and we'll give you credit for it. At least you felt the need to come back and take the credit. However, as was pointed out above, the winner came into Big Drama at the start causing him to veer inward and bump the horse to his inside, which caused a bit of a chain reaction with the other inside horses. The end result being that BD didn't come out as clean/fast as he'd have otherwise. So, we'll never know what really happens if BD gets a clean break. Maybe the pace isn't that slow. Maybe the race shakes out differently then.

This is like having to repeatedly hear about Vail of York in the BC. Arguably the most perfect trip in the history of the BC and we still hear about it.

Of course, racing luck plays a huge part in the results and any notion of 'correct' depends on it to some extent.

If Coa wanted the lead, he could've had it. He didn't want it. Even if Big Drama broke a length slow, the horse is still plenty capable of running a faster first quarter than Majesticperfection did.

As for 'taking credit,' it's kinda hard to resist after watching you, yet again, complain about the jockeys whenever you're wrong about something.

Faulty comparison. Two different distances that always favors the former for faster clockings.

I 'complained' because the early fractions of a relatively major stake race were the SLOWEST of 4 other sprints that day -- 2 of which were 2 year old maiden races, one at 6.5F. I 'complained' because of all of the hype concerning the FASTEST horse in the country sprinting, and then we get that early pace. I then also took the time to take a look at the replay and gain some 'understanding' as to WHY Coa didn't go early. Clearly, there's a distinction between INTENTIONALLY not going early in a knowingly SLOW pace, which is, apparently, your contention, and, not going early because you were compromised at the start and doing so would mean rushing more than you want to.

I blame jocks a lot. So do others. So, in fact, do you. (I won't bother to provide the evidence.) I do, however, acknowledge when there were circumstances that compromised a jock's ride and impacted upon the shape of the race. I have to because my plays depend on objectively interpreting information.

You on the other hand are 'right' irrespective of the events. Doesn't have anything to do about luck.

That's why it took a post from tiggerv to get you to re-watch the race and revise your monotonous "That jock is a FAG, he BLEW the race for everyone and took it up the ASS" rhetoric. Yeah, you're real thorough. And of course, when Mambo Meister runs like ass, it's not your fault. It's always someone else's doing when you lose.

So, there'd never be a point in time, before any of these came back, where I'd watch the replay? Is that what you're standing on? :rolleyes: Or, maybe, after I do my charts for the week tommorow, I won't take a look at some of these races?

Mambo Meister ran 'like an ass' because he was too close early. Slow pace or otherwise, even you would agree that he was supposed to be where Brisbon was early, and not with Big Drama. Make sense? Maybe he wasn't good enough to beat the field but, at 21:1, he was worth a win bet to me. I only win between 10-15% of the races I bet anyway, and I bet my usual UNIT on him, so it wasn't like I was stepping out. It's another bet for me. Just the way taking 8:1 on the Blame QR exacta was 'worth' it and just another bet. There's no single bet that makes my year, monetarily or otherwise. I grind it out.

Now, I really should look up a few of your post where you bash jocks; but I won't because you're just venting. We all know that jocks blow a ton of rides. It's part of the game.

P.S. Some whose opinion I respect very much was on record that Rail Trip was 'vulnerable' in the GC. Obviously, the result proved him 'correct' but was he 'right'? Moreover, was he 'right' in pointing out that he was 'right' after the fact?

Venting? What would I have to vent about? Everything you said about the race in question beforehand was wrong. And sure, I bash jocks once in a while too, but you do it just about every single time you're wrong about something. It's no wonder you're a big Zenyatta fan, your excuse-making ability is unparalleled. But hey, at least your excuses make sense sometimes, unless those of Shirreffs.

Forgive me for neglecting the 40 feet runup difference. 3/10th second for FR1?

21.8/45.9 vs 22.5/45.45 better?

Now we finally get to the crux of the matter: I'm a Z supporter; and a QR basher, and a POLY supporter; and I don't use BEYERS. :rolleyes:

You know, I made some decent money with the CD/Blame double and the Blame/QR exacta. See, my opinion concerning QR 'paid' off. You and the other Z bashers, on the other hand, are 'sore' because you just can't make a score against her.

Now, let's see; as a Z supporter this year I've had the pleasure of:

1) watching her caddy beat your FAST Horse of the Year
2) watching your FAST HOTY not make the AB
3) watching your FASTEST horse in training fall on his face in the Whitney

Here's what I suggest. Rather than 'whining' about Z, bet against her in the Classic and make some money.

I think we're done here, Joey. :)

Yeah, you nailed it. It wasn't just an offhand remark about two people who make excuses about everything. It was totally about Zenyatta, even though there are already a million different threads to discuss her in. Seems to me like you were waiting for a reason to redirect the discussion from your piss poor opinion of the Vanderbilt and your universal condemnation of the jockeys in any race that costs you money. Oh, and brag about hitting an $18 exacta.

Just following you:


But I thought this was about you hitting that $14 exacta? :rolleyes: You did bet that exacta, didn't you? You know me, I look for any chance to redboard.:rolleyes:

And you're left 'ranting' about me 'bashing' jocks.

ha ha ha

Seriously, can we finish now?

You're a lost cause. It'd be easier to stay on topic arguing with a schnauser.