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Rupert Pupkin 07-16-2010 01:43 AM

2012 Poll
 
2012 Poll: Obama trails against Romney, Gingrich, and Huckabee; tied with Palin.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/1...-2012-polling/

The Indomitable DrugS 07-16-2010 02:34 AM

It's only like 2 and 1/3rd years from now.

letswastemoney 07-16-2010 02:48 AM

meh. People will always find something to complain about, no matter who is elected. Pick your poison. Even if you didn't like Obama...what if Huckabee was his opponent? From his past, it seems like Huckabee has something against gays and will make it harder on them if he's President.

ateamstupid 07-16-2010 02:55 AM

He's probably a 1TP, but are any of those retreads really better alternatives? Palin? Really? And I'm supposed to take this poll seriously?

joeydb 07-16-2010 05:54 AM

Gingrich is a very bright guy. I think he might do a good job if he gets the chance.

Nascar1966 07-16-2010 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 669631)
2012 Poll: Obama trails against Romney, Gingrich, and Huckabee; tied with Palin.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/1...-2012-polling/

Maybe the American public has finally woken up and realize its time for a change. They are tired of all the lies and especially getting the health care bill passed by the decieving Democrats.

Princess Doreen 07-16-2010 06:45 AM

I see Hillary Clinton challenging Obama for the 2012 Dem candidate presidenti nomination. If things continue as they are going now, she will get the nod. I don't see a strong and likely Republican candidate. They have to get their act together. If not, Hillary Clinton could very well be our next President.

Coach Pants 07-16-2010 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 669634)
meh. People will always find something to complain about, no matter who is elected. Pick your poison. Even if you didn't like Obama...what if Huckabee was his opponent? From his past, it seems like Huckabee has something against gays and will make it harder on them if he's President.

Yeah and being mean to gays will be the breaking point for this country. I read that in OK! magazine.

geeker2 07-16-2010 07:51 AM

Huckabee better stop eating or he will explode by this time next year - geeeze pass up a donut once in a while fella!



SENATOR BOB CORKER FOR PRESIDENT

joeydb 07-16-2010 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 669653)
Yeah and being mean to gays will be the breaking point for this country. I read that in OK! magazine.

I think we have a lot of other things to worry about as a nation. The first several are all financial in nature. Get jobs for the people. Cut taxes so they actually have some money left over after they work their asses off. Cut MANY wasteful government programs, and for God's sake start to PAY DOWN THE DEBT so as to eliminate it as a concern.

Anything other than "trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see" - as this administration's policy has been described - has got to be a better idea.

clyde 07-16-2010 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 669659)
Huckabee better stop eating or he will explode by this time next year - geeeze pass up a donut once in a while fella!



SENATOR BOB CORKER FOR PRESIDENT



NEVER say pass up a donut...NEVER.

Coach Pants 07-16-2010 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 669730)
I think we have a lot of other things to worry about as a nation. The first several are all financial in nature. Get jobs for the people. Cut taxes so they actually have some money left over after they work their asses off. Cut MANY wasteful government programs, and for God's sake start to PAY DOWN THE DEBT so as to eliminate it as a concern.

Anything other than "trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see" - as this administration's policy has been described - has got to be a better idea.

Exactly.

Danzig 07-16-2010 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 669646)
I see Hillary Clinton challenging Obama for the 2012 Dem candidate presidenti nomination. If things continue as they are going now, she will get the nod. I don't see a strong and likely Republican candidate. They have to get their act together. If not, Hillary Clinton could very well be our next President.

yeah, cause the party always encourages one of their own to attack the sitting president. :rolleyes:

clyde 07-16-2010 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 669646)
I see Hillary Clinton challenging Obama for the 2012 Dem candidate presidenti nomination. If things continue as they are going now, she will get the nod. I don't see a strong and likely Republican candidate. They have to get their act together. If not, Hillary Clinton could very well be our next President.

Are you going to let her get away with that,Printheth?

dalakhani 07-16-2010 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 669631)
2012 Poll: Obama trails against Romney, Gingrich, and Huckabee; tied with Palin.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/1...-2012-polling/

Hotair.com?

miraja2 07-16-2010 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 669646)
I see Hillary Clinton challenging Obama for the 2012 Dem candidate presidenti nomination.

That is beyond preposterous.
You do realize the chances of that actually happening are somewhere around 0.000001 percent right?

Princess Doreen 07-16-2010 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 669987)
That is beyond preposterous.
You do realize the chances of that actually happening are somewhere around 0.000001 percent right?

:)

Rupert Pupkin 07-16-2010 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 669985)
Hotair.com?

It wasn't their poll. The poll was done by Public Policy Polling, which is a democrat-friendly polling group.

Rupert Pupkin 07-16-2010 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 669646)
I see Hillary Clinton challenging Obama for the 2012 Dem candidate presidenti nomination. If things continue as they are going now, she will get the nod. I don't see a strong and likely Republican candidate. They have to get their act together. If not, Hillary Clinton could very well be our next President.

I don't think that has ever happened in history where the incumbent didn't get the nomination. There was at least one case where the incumbent (LBJ) didn't run for re-election. But I don't think there has ever been a case where the President didn't get the nomination.

Princess Doreen 07-16-2010 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 669995)
I don't think that has ever happened in history where the incumbent didn't get the nomination. There was at least one case where the incumbent (LBJ) didn't run for re-election. But I don't think there has ever been a case where the President didn't get the nomination.

We'll see.:)

AeWingnut 07-16-2010 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 669641)
Gingrich is a very bright guy. I think he might do a good job if he gets the chance.

Gingrich is too friendly with Nancy Pelosi

Americans hate phoney republicans
real ones they love but RINOs not so much

miraja2 07-16-2010 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 669995)
I don't think that has ever happened in history where the incumbent didn't get the nomination. There was at least one case where the incumbent (LBJ) didn't run for re-election. But I don't think there has ever been a case where the President didn't get the nomination.

It happened fairly regularly in the nineteenth century (Millard Fillmore & Franklin Pierce to name two), but it hasn't happened in quite some time. In 1980 Teddy Kennedy launched a pretty serious primary challenge of incumbent Jimmy Carter but came up short.

That being said, the idea of Hillary challenging Obama in the primary only exists in Doreen's imagination. Anybody that knows the first thing about politics knows there is no chance that happens.

herkhorse 07-16-2010 08:01 PM

Oh, I'm sure it exists in Hillary's imagination too

ateamstupid 07-16-2010 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 669730)
I think we have a lot of other things to worry about as a nation. The first several are all financial in nature. Get jobs for the people. Cut taxes so they actually have some money left over after they work their asses off. Cut MANY wasteful government programs, and for God's sake start to PAY DOWN THE DEBT so as to eliminate it as a concern.

Anything other than "trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see" - as this administration's policy has been described - has got to be a better idea.

The fact that there are still people who think you can cut taxes to reduce the deficit is scary to me. Obama has done the former, no one who was elected was going to be able to do the latter in this climate. I love the "get rid of the deficit!" refrain without any specific explanations of how to do so.

joeydb 07-16-2010 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 670079)
The fact that there are still people who think you can cut taxes to reduce the deficit is scary to me. Obama has done the former, no one who was elected was going to be able to do the latter in this climate. I love the "get rid of the deficit!" refrain without any specific explanations of how to do so.

The specifics are: cut spending, period. And yeah, that means welfare too.

ateamstupid 07-16-2010 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 670095)
The specifics are: cut spending, period. And yeah, that means welfare too.

Republicans in a nutshell. "Stop spending!" ... "On what?" ... "Stop spending!" ... "OK, which programs should be cut?" ... "Uh, I hate welfare!"

Riot 07-16-2010 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 670095)
The specifics are: cut spending, period. And yeah, that means welfare too.

Why don't we cut out the largest part of what's causing the deficit over future years?



Riot 07-16-2010 10:11 PM

Since there is over two years left, what the heck, let's look at other polls, too (as nothing matters this far out) :D

Quote:

The survey contained a batch of good news for both the President and Congressional Democrats, however.

Asked to assign blame for the balky economy, 61% point to the Bush Administration, while 27% fault Obama.

The President notched a favorable 31%-26% split between voters who believe his economic policies have helped and those who think they hurt,

while nearly 80% believe the economy is stable or heading in the right direction.

And despite the economic upheaval and political acrimony that have marked his term thus far, voters aren't pining for Obama's predecessor; they tapped Obama over George W. Bush by a 53%-33% margin.

Nor are they convinced that Sarah Palin is up to the challenges of the Oval Office. Obama clobbered Palin, 55%-34%, in a hypothetical 2012 matchup that should have Democrats salivating.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...003953,00.html

brianwspencer 07-16-2010 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 670117)
Why don't we cut out the largest part of what's causing the deficit over future years?



But....I....but...but...small businesses.....but....welfare...but...I....uh.

Riot 07-16-2010 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AeWingnut (Post 670002)
Gingrich is too friendly with Nancy Pelosi

Americans hate phoney republicans
real ones they love but RINOs not so much

Romney: the Christian right has already refused to vote for "a member of a cult" (Mormon)

Huckabee: Publically said dinosaurs and humans walked the earth together (an earth which is only 6,000 years old). Gets the above vote, not much else.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's down to Gingrich vs Romney at the convention.

Riot 07-16-2010 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 670122)
But....I....but...but...small businesses.....but....welfare...but...I....uh.

This morning I was at a commercial business thing, talked to guys from the three biggest Lex banks about horse business, other small businesses - funding, future, credit, profitable business paradigms for the next 10-20 years, niche markets, etc. The money guys didn't seem to have any direction or idea whatsoever.

Coach Pants 07-16-2010 10:54 PM

Tell them to invest in companies that focus on Obama and golfing.

Danzig 07-17-2010 08:08 AM

huckabee is the male version of sarah palin. i can't stand him, and would never vote for him.


and yeah, two wars are the biggest drain by far. so much squandered by bush and company.

AeWingnut 07-17-2010 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 670124)
Romney: the Christian right has already refused to vote for "a member of a cult" (Mormon)

Huckabee: Publically said dinosaurs and humans walked the earth together (an earth which is only 6,000 years old). Gets the above vote, not much else.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's down to Gingrich vs Romney at the convention.

so there won't be a republican at the GOP convention


again

Riot 07-17-2010 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AeWingnut (Post 670302)
so there won't be a republican at the GOP convention


again

Hang in there, John, you've always got Rand Paul :tro:

Riot 07-17-2010 06:44 PM

How to get rid of the deficit: I used to be in favor of renewing Bush tax cuts. Now?

Quote:

Greenspan backs end to Bush tax cuts
By Robin Harding in Washington

Published: July 17 2010 01:37 | Last updated: July 17 2010 01:37

Congress should let all of former president George W. Bush’s 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire to cut the long-term budget deficit, former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan has said.

Mr Greenspan’s support helped persuade Congress to pass the tax cuts in 2001 and his comments thrust him into a heated political battle over whether to extend them beyond the end of 2010. “They should follow the law and let them lapse,” Mr Greenspan said in an interview.

“The problem is, unless we start to come to grips with this long-term [budget] outlook, we are going to have major problems. I think we misunderstand the momentum of this deficit going forward.”

The Bush cuts lowered income tax rates; created a new 10 per cent tax bracket; raised tax credits for children; and lowered taxes on dividends and capital gains. A “sunset” provision means that all the cuts will expire at the end of this year unless Congress extends them.

Doing so would increase the federal budget deficit by cumulative $2,567bn between 2011 and 2020,
according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

But that would also deepen a growing structural deficit caused by the cost of providing healthcare and social security to an ageing population.

The Congressional Budget Office projects that the national debt will balloon to 87 per cent of gross domestic product by 2020 and 185 per cent by 2035 if the tax cuts are extended and discretionary spending grows in line with the economy.

The Republicans want to extend all the cuts, while most Democrats support proposals by Barack Obama, president, to extend them only for households with incomes below $250,000, lowering the cost to $2,154bn.

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2010.

joeydb 07-17-2010 07:23 PM

The budget shortfall due to "Bush Era Taxcuts" can be easily remedied, by cutting spending. Then there is no deficit.

Typical of Democrats to always want a higher budget, and then blame tax cuts for the shortfall. Stop spending so much and the deficit goes away.

That graph is biased and leftist due to the very fact that tax cuts are NOT expenditures.

ateamstupid 07-17-2010 07:35 PM

What should be cut? I'd be willing to bet you won't say our biggest disproportionate expense, military spending.

Riot 07-17-2010 09:27 PM

Quote:

The budget shortfall due to "Bush Era Taxcuts" can be easily remedied, by cutting spending. Then there is no deficit.
You're right, spending should have been cut in 2001 and 2003. But the "Bush Era Taxcuts" were both passed completely unfunded at the time (no spending cuts to live within the lowered government income).

Now that decision is coming home to roost. Unfunded tax cuts and unfunded wars. Now we have to pay up for the years of spending what we didn't have.

The choice appears to be not renew the tax cuts (eliminating most of the huge deficit) or cut a rather huge amount of government spending to live within the lower income the tax cuts created.

Which spending to you want to cut?

Quote:

That graph is biased and leftist due to the very fact that tax cuts are NOT expenditures.
:zz: The graph doesn't say tax cuts are expenditures. The graph isn't about expenditures at all. The graph shows the dollar amount of different things that have contributed to our huge deficit. I don't see what's "biased" or "leftist" about that. It's just the reality of it.

brianwspencer 07-18-2010 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 670453)
:zz: The graph doesn't say tax cuts are expenditures. The graph isn't about expenditures at all. The graph shows the dollar amount of different things that have contributed to our huge deficit.

Well, if you're going to be THAT specific.....

Cut welfare. Done. Now I can keep my tax cut and everything will be okay.

MOR WARS TOO PLZ.


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