Hey Oracle Say it aint so: Johnny V winless for 5 days!!!
 

"You won't EVER see Prado or Velazquez go 0-5 days, ever, never. It does not happen"- A quote from Oracle80

I watched in uncontrolled glee today as the great Johnny Velasquez proved his mortality and completed his fifth day of racing without a win. Thats right boys and girls...Johnny went 0-5 days.

Lets see if Oracle is a stand up guy and takes his medicine on this one.

Meanwhile, Garret Gomez had another multi win day strengthening his hold on the second spot behind prado.

Well if Henny Hughes doesn't win tomorrow then I will jump on the anti-JV boat. I can't see that horse being beaten under any circumstances.

HH can definetly be beaten and I will play against him.

The way hes riding, he can be beaten. Its going to take a perfect break from the gate and some suave moves to get this guy home first going 7F. Hes never won at a distance other than 6F.

No anti-JV boat here. JV is an excellent rider and in my opinion one of the very best in the country. My point is that he is human...just like Garrett Gomez and Oracle80 kept railing on about how bad Gomez was because he went winless for five days.

I do think its worse in the case of JV. He rides first call for the most successful trainer in the country and he is an established NY guy that gets the pick of the litter. He is simply going through a slump.

No way. This horse wins in a walk. So will Bernardini. These horses coming from Dubai are winning with ease.

Why wasnt JV riding Fleet Indian today then?

Gomez is excellent. If JV was a 100, Gomez would be a 95.

Agreed...in a walk.

Nvm.......

Because Santos got the first ride when Pletcher got the horse. I think JV was down in FLA as Fleet Indian's first start was on the BIG A inner. She hasnt lost with the current jock so why replace him?

Henny won't have any problem going 7 furlongs. He almost won the BC Juvenille which is 1 1/16 miles and that was after setting suicide fractions. I will be extremely surprised if Henny gets beat tomorrow. He would have definitely been better off drawing an outside post, but it's not going to matter. He'll be able to handle the inside draw. I remeber his debut race at Monmouth. He broke slow and then he was trapped behind horses going down the backstretch. He went outside at about the 3/8 pole and ended up winning by 6 lengths.

Well said.

--Dunbar

Gosh, it must be easy to get rich at this game when you know that horses cannot be beaten.

There is "no way" Henny Hughes will lose, yet at Pinnacle you can put up $171 to win $100, and all Henny has to do is finish ahead of Songster. I guess betting on Henny at Pinnacle or at the track is like taking money from a baby.

Sorry, but these flat out "no way"s drive me nuts, as if you couldn't tell. ;>) Henny looks like the best horse in the race by a good bit, but if I could find 2-1 on the field, I'd take it big time.

--Dunbar

Yes, I agree with you. After speding a little bit of time going over the field, Henny is my pick to win but he's not a lock. This is actually a very strong field. This is the strongest King's Bishop in a long time. I certainly would not take anything less than even-money on Henny. There are some good horses in this race.

The Gods don't like him anymore.

1) The number of bad rides hes given during the last 4 days has been none, he simply hasn't ridden that many horses and has not given one bad ride that you can name. Which is completely different than rides like the one Gomez gave Milwaukee.

2) I have a hard time answering your posts knowing that you are a terrorist sympathizer. Above all things I am a proud US citizen, and I hate terrorists and all that sympathize with them. Were I to meet you, I would hurt you and very badly at that. I would have no remorse about hurting you badly, even setting you on fire and watching you burn.

This man says it all dalakhani, here is hoping he or one who feels like we do meets up with you and the folks you love


http://www.thekidfrombrooklyn.com/vi...p?videoid=1183

even setting you on fire and watching you burn.

LOL!

Tim you know me, do you think I'm kidding even just a little bit?

No, I can see you picking up the gas can with clenched teeth and then lighting the match. LOL!

YES!!! And then yelling burn you mother****** as he writhed and screamed in agony. And then joyfully betting the late pik-4 right afterwards and having lunch.

Who you using in the last race? I like Dutrows horse a bit, you?

Yes he looks good. And even though Tough and easy had severe seconditis for a long time, his last wasnt all that bad. The only other horse thats possible is baker's FL shipper but I really think he emptied out last time and may bounce. Stick with Tough To Follow and save with with the other one.

Yet another case where oracle cannot bring himself to admit he was flat out wrong. Third time this week. (the others were Songster's sheet figs out of his last race and the Bute rules in Calif.) Instead he tries to deflect the obvious and even resorts to some very black "humor".

Now I guess I will be a future burn victim too, for calling him on it.

--Dunbar

The number of mounts hes had in the same period has been miniscule. He has yet to give a bad ride in that period. Tell you what tough guy, you name the bad ride he gave, name one. Go ahead and siftthrough charts if yoiu have to, you wont find one. Angel hasnt been putting him on many mounts, why? I don't know. I do know that i haven't cursed him out one time this week for a bad ride. Last time I cursed out Johnny was on Vig, thats the only horrible ride hes given at the meet.
So if the point is who is riding good or not, please show me the bad ride complete with commentary about what he did wrong. I'll be waiting.

who's the terrorist?
 

I missed something. Garret Gomez is a terrorist sympathizer?

or HH is ?

I don't see it

Miniscule??!! He's ridden 25 horses in those 5 days! That's "miniscule"? Give me a break! Want to see them?

RACE ODDS
20-Aug
1) 2.1
2) 10.2
4) 4.3
6) 11
7) 2.85
21-Aug
2) 11.6
4) 1.7
6) 2.9
7) 1.6
23-Aug
2) 1.6
3) 3.75
4) 3.75
5) 13.7
7) 6.5
24-Aug
2) 3.85
4) 9.7
5) 4.9
7) 18.6
8) 4.1
25-Aug
3) 9.8
4) 4.9
6) 0.8
7) 2.05
8) 1.7
9) 11.3

I don't have to point out a bad ride in that list. We are not arguing whether JV gave a bad ride. We are talking about your statement, "You won't EVER see Prado or Velazquez go 0-5 days, ever, never. It does not happen."

Guess what? It happened. But you, as usual, can't accept it. And it almost goes without saying that you cannot admit you were wrong.

--Dunbar

Unreal......
 

I didn't get to see the whole card, I can't believe those two got skunked! We're talkin bout two of the top riders in the world. Gomez right now is riding so well, he was in in California last year, but he may be even more of a roll now.

oracle, just please apologize or something to this guy will STFU about it!!!

then maybe dunbar can sleep again at night.

"You won't EVER see Prado or Velazquez go 0-5 days, ever, never. It does not happen"- A quote from Oracle80

LOL. I guess everyone knows that you arent a stand up guy. And you call yourself a New Yorker? Please!

ha ha ha Oracle is wrong, what a tool

I certainly can't defend Dalakhani's political views. He is a terrorist sympathizer which is disgraceful.

But with regard to the discussion about jockeys, Oracle was bashing Gomez for not winning, even when Gomez wasn't making any mistakes. When people said that Gomez was not making mistakes, Oracle said that there was no excuse for going 5 days without a win and that this would never happen to JV.

Anyway, I think Gomez is riding better than anyone right now. When he is riding well, he is easily the best jockey.

Thats the funny part about it all star. Instead of being a MAN about it, she reverts to throwing pitiful little threats. Can you say emasculated?

Its really funny when someone tries to be the internet tough guy. Its really easy to hide behind a keyboard. I'll be at Laurel Park wednesday evening. Not too hard to find me. Im not threatening anyone but someone that feels as much hatred as this little Oral fellow does should come out and do what needs to be done. She will probably tell me to "come up to where i am" but that wouldnt make sense because SHE is making the threats toward me. So...I'll tell her where I am and if the Oral fellow wants to face me ALONE then lets check under the hood.

I will highly doubt she shows.:)

Rupert- I appreciate your honesty and your willingness to tell it like it is. You have earned respect for a reason and you ARE a stand up guy unlike the oral fellow.

Terrorist sympathizer? LOL. Surely you arent that closeminded. Are all Arabs terrorists? The act of "terrorism" IS disgraceful but those acts are committed not just by men in hoods but also by governments including Ours. I hate all forms of war. Call me a peace sympathizer.

No, I don't think that all Arabs are terrorists. I don't think that all Muslims are terrorists. The terrorists are these militant Islamic extremists. These are the only ones I have a problem with. I don't know how you can compare our government to these groups. There is no defense for the behavior or the motives of these groups. They have no positive motives. They just like to kill innocent people out of hate. Look what they're doing in Iraq every day. They bomb super-markets and cafes. They want to blow-up commercial airliners. What would that accomplish aside from killing a bunch of innocent people. There is no way to compare the behavior of these groups to the bevavior of our government. You have to be kidding.

Here is something else that I will point out to Mr. Byk....unbelievable

Oh yeah Oracle, Why do you like Johnny V. so much?...he is not American? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, gotcha! :p

Please, guys, maybe it's better to leave the political debate for another forum.

--Dunbar

Not the thread or section for this discussion but if you would like to do it in the political section i would be happy to engage. I always appreciate a well thought out debate and our debates so far have been pretty fun (especially the kent d one).

This thread is about ORACLE and how he was WRONG. Lets see if he is EVER going to be stand up. I wont hold my breath.