What Horses are not in the Hall of Fame you think should be?
 

What horses are not in the Hall of Fame you think should be?

Zippy Chippy

Anyone remember the name of the maiden in New Jersey who held the record that Zippy beat ? I think it was a mare who ran at least 70 times before doing it. It was mid 90's.

Giant's Causeway, Point Given (or is he in?) and Rock Hard Ten.

Lemon Drop Kid horse, Jean Cruguet jockey

Black Tie Affair!

Point Given is getting in this year and I think its one of the biggest shams in the history of the HOF. A joke that he is getting in...

Maybe they'll have a replay of the "Point Given, not today" Derby stretch run at his induction?

Manilla and Inside Information both took way too long to get in - not getting in until 2008.

Grass horses have it very tough.

Lemon Drop Kid deserves a lot better than this post.

Didnt know I was suppose to author his life story after posting his name. You are more than welcome to fill everyone in on his lifetime achievements if you like.

Lemon Drop Kid Race Record
Age Starts 1st (SW) 2nd (sp) 3rd (sp) Earnings
2 6 2 (1) 2 (1) 1 $222,070
3 9 3 (2) 1 (1) 1 (1) $1,349,400
4 9 5 (4) 0 1 (1) $1,673,900
24 10 (7) 3 (2) 3 (2) $3,245,370
(RI: 59.30)
(4, 9f, Career best Rag# -)

At 2: 1st Futurity S.-G1 ($150,000, Bel, 8f, 1:37.50, dftd. Yes It's True, Medievil Hero), 2nd Champagne S.-G1 ($400,000, Bel).

At 3: 1st Belmont S.-G1 ($1,000,000, Bel, 12f, 2:27.88, dftd. Vision and Verse, Charismatic), Travers S.-G1 ($1,000,000, Sar, 10f, 2:02.19, dftd. Vision and Verse, Menifee), 2nd Jim Dandy S.-G2 ($300,000, Sar), 3rd Peter Pan S.-G2 ($150,000, Bel).

At 4: Champion Older Male, 1st Whitney H.-G1 (Rag# 0) ($1,042,000, Sar, 9f, 1:48.30, dftd. Cat Thief, Behrens), Woodward S.-G1 ($500,000, Bel, 9f, 1:50.53, dftd. Behrens, Gander), Suburban H.-G2 ($500,000, Bel, 10f, 1:58.97, by 2 1/2 lengths, dftd. Behrens, Lager), Brooklyn H.-G2 ($250,000, Bel, 9f, 1:49.93, by 7 1/4 lengths, dftd. Lager, Down the Aisle), 3rd Pimlico Special H.-G1 ($750,000, Pim).

I think he was mocking that you think Cruget should be in the Hall of Fame. In fact, I know he was mocking that.

lol, ANDREW and I arent on the same page most of the time when it comes to humor

Jean Cruguet (born March 8, 1939 in Agen, Lot-et-Garonne, France) is an French-American thoroughbred horse racing jockey who won the United States Triple Crown of Thoroughbred Racing.

At age five, Jean Cruguet was placed in an orphanage after his father abandoned the family and his mother was unable to cope. From age ten to sixteen, he lived at a secondary school run by Roman Catholic priests where he says he was physically abused. At age sixteen, a friend of his grandfather offered the diminutive Cruguet work at a Thoroughbred race track. His fledgling career as a jockey was interrupted by mandatory military service and he served in the French Army during the Algerian War.

After being discharged from the army, Cruguet returned to thoroughbred flat racing. He replaced army-bound jockey Yves Saint-Martin at the stable run by prominent trainer Francois Mathet. Once Saint-Martin was discharged from the army, Cruguet had to find new rides but met with only limited success. After meeting his future wife Denise, a trainer and one of the pioneering woman in French racing, in 1965 they decided to emigrate to the United States. In Florida, Cruguet was hired to ride for Horatio Luro at Hialeah Park Race Track and in the ensuing years he began to achieve success. In 1969, he won a major Grade I race when due to another commitment by jockey Braulio Baeza, Cruguet replaced him aboard Arts and Letters and rode the future Hall of Fame colt to victory in the Metropolitan Handicap at Belmont Park.

In 2004 Jean Cruguet said Hoist The Flag was the best horse he ever rode. [1]. The 1970 U.S. Champion 2-year-old colt, ridden by Cruguet in all his starts, went undefeated in his short career but in his 3 yr-old season was injured in March 1971 while preparing for the Wood Memorial Stakes. The career-ending injury denied the colt a chance to try for the Triple Crown, a prospect of winning all three legs was something many think was possible.

Cruguet and his wife returned to race in Europe for the 1972 season where he won important Group One races such as the Prix Vermeille and Poule d'Essai des Pouliches in France and the Champion Stakes in England. He rode the Champion San San in all her wins for trainer Angel Penna, Sr. but missed being aboard the great filly for her win in the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe when he was sidelined by injury as a result of a racing accident. After finishing second in France's jockey standings for 1972, Cruguet and his wife returned to the United States.

In 1976 Jean Cruguet rode the two-year-old colt Seattle Slew to victory in the Champagne Stakes. The following year he achieved racing immortality aboard Seattle Slew. They won the Wood Memorial Stakes and the Flamingo Stakes enroute to winning the Kentucky Derby, Preakness Stakes, and the Belmont Stakes, thereby capturing the prestigious Triple Crown. In a move still written about today, with 20 yards to go to the finish line in the Belmont Stakes, Cruguet stood up in the stirrups, raised his right arm over his head, and jubilantly gave the crowd a victory salute by waving his whip in the air.

In 1978, Cruguet was the regular jockey aboard Mac Diarmida whose wins included the two most important North American turf races with European competitors: the Canadian International Championship at Woodbine Racetrack in Toronto, Canada and the Washington, D.C. International at Laurel Park Racecourse in Laurel, Maryland. Mac Diarmida was voted the 1978 Eclipse Award for American Champion Male Turf Horse.

Jean Cruguet retired from riding in July 1980 to join his wife as a full-time trainer in their own small stable but returned to riding two years later. His last major Grade I Stakes victory came aboard Hodges Bay in the 1989 Canadian International Stakes at Woodbine Racetrack. Retired and now living near Versailles, Kentucky, Cruguet made guest appearances for many years in support of organizations such as Old Friends [2], a retirement and rescue facility for pensioned Thoroughbreds in Midway, Kentucky. However, in recent years, he has almost completely disappeared from the public eye because he has been the sole caregiver for his wife Denise, who has been bedridden since suffering a stroke in 2003.[1]

AND ALEX SOLIS GOT IN THIS YEAR???? PFFFT

Please dont copy me.

He's not copying you.

He's mocking you.

DOÑA CHEPA before ZC

Anybody that saw Jean Cruget ride would find the suggestion, a serious one that is, that he belongs in the Hall of Fame, to be beyond laughable.

Two words.....Flying Water.

hmmm Seattle Slew is two words that come to mind

http://www.examiner.com/x-43823-Lexi...ll-of-Fame-nod

Heres a nice article about Cruguet getting in also

Yes, Seattle Slew was an amazing horse for doing what he did with Cruget on his back.

Finally the connections had enough and got Cordero.

Dyever and Dollar Bill.

No love for Sun King?

I assumed they were both already in. Surely Dynever deserves his own wing.

Very good, but no way he's HOF, and that's without stirring the pot by calling him a New York specialist.

Of course Lemon Drop Kid doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame. But, lumping him with Cruget sort of covered up his lack of merit.

To further Cruget's merits....he was 0 for 90 something at Gulfstream in 1994. Look it up.

Major Racing Wins (Jean Cruguet)

United States Triple Crown (1977)
Travers Stakes (1968)
Lawrence Realization Stakes (1969, 1970, 1975, 1978)
Metropolitan Handicap (1969)
Toboggan Handicap (1969)
Cowdin Stakes (1970)
Laurel Futurity (1970)
Manhattan Handicap (1974)
Stuyvesant Handicap (1974)
Alabama Stakes (1975, 1983)
Hopeful Stakes (1975, 1976)
Champagne Stakes (1976)
Mother Goose Stakes (1976, 1977)
Flamingo Stakes (1977)
Wood Memorial Stakes (1977, 1984)
Futurity Stakes (1978)
Washington, D.C. International (1978, 1993)
Jerome Handicap (1979)
Ladies Handicap (1979)
Saranac Handicap (1979)
Withers Stakes (1979)
Blue Grass Stakes (1983)
Tremont Stakes (1983)
Coaching Club American Oaks (1984)
Dwyer Stakes (1984)
Knickerbocker Handicap (1985, 1986, 1988, 1992)
Matron Stakes (1986)
American Classic Race wins:

Kentucky Derby (1977)
Preakness Stakes (1977)
Belmont Stakes (1977)
International Race wins

Prix Vermeille (1972)
Poule d'Essai des Pouliches (1972)
Champion Stakes (1973)
Canadian International Stakes (1978, 1989)
Significant Horses

Arts and Letters, Hoist The Flag, San San, Bold Reason, Seattle Slew


Man all those horses he won these races with must of been world beaters seeing they had a rock on their back like Cruguet.

Cruguet retired from racing in '89, in '94 we would of been talking about a 55yr old Cruguet. He won a G1 race in Canada at 50. The twilight of Cruguet riding career was less than stellar, we can all agree on that. But in his prime,60s-70s, he was a top jock in 2 different countries. Won all the major stakes in the states and even has a triple crown under his belt. There are jocks with far less credentials in the hall as we speak.

He was a terrible jockey.

He may have been in your book and many peoples that watched him race in the 80s, but there isnt a jockey racing now a days that wouldnt die for the credentials he has and a triple crown alone would be enough for some.

Now look at the list WITHOUT Cruguet's name attached to it and tell me that isnt a hall of fame career

Who said this?

"The Belmont lasts 2 and a half minutes and that's a long time to go without the Frenchman screwing it up."


Hint: He put Cruguet up on Road Princess to win the Mother Goose at 42-1 earlier in the day.

Was it J. P. Campo?

Not to keep beating this but here is Randy Romeros Hall of Fame Career

Randy Romero
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Occupation Jockey
Birthplace Erath, Louisiana, United States
Birth date December 22, 1957
Career wins 4,285
Major racing wins, honours & awards
Major racing wins
Clark Handicap (1982)
Essex Handicap (1982)
Isaac Murphy Handicap (1982)
Ladies Handicap (1984, 1986)
Arlington Classic (1986)
Champagne Stakes (1986)
Coaching Club American Oaks (1986)
Cowdin Stakes (1986)
Frizette Stakes (1986)
Hawthorne Gold Cup Handicap (1986)
Jockey Club Gold Cup (1986)
Carter Handicap (1987)
Garden City Handicap (1987)
Hopeful Stakes (1987)
Jamaica Handicap (1987)
Queens County Handicap (1987)
Spinster Stakes (1987)
Woodward Stakes (1987)
Beldame Stakes (1988, 1990)
Bernard Baruch Handicap (1988)
Fall Highweight Handicap (1988, 1989)
Florida Derby (1988)
Gazelle Handicap (1988)
Queen Elizabeth II Challenge Cup Stakes (1988)
Vosburgh Stakes (1988, 1989)
Whitney Handicap (1988)
Blue Grass Stakes (1989 & 1995)
Commonwealth Stakes (1989)
Alabama Stakes (1990)
Arlington Oaks (1990)
Mother Goose Stakes (1990)
Secretariat Stakes (1990)
Test Stakes (1990)
Brooklyn Handicap (1992)
Adirondack Stakes (1993)
Arlington Handicap (1995)
Arlington-Washington Lassie Stakes (1996)

Breeders' Cup wins:
Breeders' Cup Distaff (1987, 1988)
Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies (1989)
Honours
Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame (2005)
National Museum of Racing and Hall of Fame (2010)
Significant horses
Polish Navy, Personal Ensign
Sacahuista, Go For Wand,

Romero may or may not belong in the Hall of Fame as well....but the Cruget discussion is just too funny.

You really have to be either kidding or a relative.

I mentioned this to someone at the track today whose response to your suggestion that Cruget belongs in the Hall of Fame was " what sport? "

He trained Road Princess.

I do think that the HOF committee should make it ALOT more difficult for a jockey to make it in the hall. With that being said im just comparing the numbers of some jockeys already in to his. The guy won G1 races in 3 different decades in 3 different countries. Won a G1 in his 50s. Won the triple crown. I mean what more do you have to do to get in when they are letting jockeys like Romero in?

Well why dont you show the credentials of Cruguet without his name attached to it and then ask if that jock belongs in the HOF. Im sure 9 out of 10 would say yes

Growing up in Saratoga I can't remember one person ever saying a single nice thing about Jean Cruget as a jockey. If I remember correctly he was not a bad sire but those years are all a bit fuzzy....