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my miss storm cat 06-29-2010 09:54 AM

A 7 year layoff? What's wrong with this picture?
 
On Violet Eyed Diva...

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/ra...an-aging-diva/

Left Bank 06-29-2010 10:22 AM

She'll be fine.Presque Isle is Polytrack,and polytrack prevents injuries.They proved it in a study:D

Smooth Operator 06-29-2010 12:05 PM

Oh, okay … thought you were talking about QR for a sec…

Indian Charlie 06-29-2010 12:09 PM

I can see how you made that mistake.

After all, he's only had ten starts to date.

I wonder how many Zenyatta had at this point in her career?

4? maybe 5?

Smooth Operator 06-29-2010 12:17 PM

Whitney will be QR's second start in six months

A true iron horse…

NTamm1215 06-29-2010 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 662911)
Whitney will be QR's second start in six months

A true iron horse…

You talking a lot of s.hit about another horse's schedule = irony at its best.

NT

Smooth Operator 06-29-2010 12:28 PM

"Schedule"???

Mineshaft had a schedule

QR just seems to show up somewhere every three or four months…

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 662918)
"Schedule"???

Mineshaft had a schedule

QR just seems to show up somewhere every three or four months…

Dude I love BIG Z, but QR would destroy her on dirt... Stop with this fight, its getting old.

randallscott35 06-29-2010 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 662918)
"Schedule"???

Mineshaft had a schedule

QR just seems to show up somewhere every three or four months…

Bonus points:D

Smooth Operator 06-29-2010 12:37 PM

Sure hope that a 4yo colt could handle a 6yo mare

Would be pretty embarrassing if he couldn't…

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 662926)
Sure hope that a 4yo colt could handle a 6yo mare

Would be pretty embarrassing if he couldn't…

Stop... Just stop.
Seriously its not Zenyattas fault, but why the hell is she not coming for the Whitney? Prove she is the best... QR and Blame are going, and even D Wayne is sending MTB. Come for the race, Z comes, then maybe you get Rachel and if not, even if Z gets beat and Rachel dodges the connections still look good. I was a Z defender for a long time but Im getting sick of this shitty schedule they insist on keeping. Even if Z runs second I think that still says a ton, I think she would be a lock for at least second, I think shes easily better then Blame and MTB and even Rachel if she shows up. What is wrong with a solid second to the best horse in the world right now?

CSC 06-29-2010 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 662921)
Dude I love BIG Z, but QR would destroy her on dirt... Stop with this fight, its getting old.

Well Pletcher is hard to beat period when he is in one those streaks of his, still QR has not destroyed anyone at 1 1/4, I know you didn't quantify a distance but I thought I would be more specific given they are most likely to meet in the Classic if at all.

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662931)
Well Pletcher is hard to beat period when he is in one those streaks of his, still QR has not destroyed anyone at 1 1/4, I know you didn't quantify a distance but I thought I would be more specific given they are most likely to meet in the Classic if at all.

Holy **** this QR not getting 10f is getting so old. He was off a sprint prep in the Travers, A SPRINT....A sprint prep off an injury and layoff, a SPRINT PREP WHERE HE RAN HUGE AND ALMOST SET A TRACK RECORD.
What was wrong with his JCGC, 3rd back off an injury? Who says he cant get 10f? Who?

CSC 06-29-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 662926)
Sure hope that a 4yo colt could handle a 6yo mare

Would be pretty embarrassing if he couldn't…

Time will tell on Quality Miler. He's a good horse but with his grossly inflated rep I wouldn't want to be in his shoes. Anything less than an impressive win in the Classic, coupled with a flashy beyer will be considered a negative considering how admired he is here.

Do what I do, just play the Travers and the JCGC from 09 and have it on infinite replay to slap some sense into yourself to see how wonderful he truly is.

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662935)
Time will tell on Quality Miler. He's a good horse but with his grossly inflated rep I wouldn't want to be in his shoes. Anything less than an impressive win in the Classic, coupled with a flashy beyer will be considered a negative considering how admired he is here.

Do what I do, just play the Travers and the JCGC from 09 and have it on infinite replay to slap some sense into yourself to see how wonderful he truly is.

This is trash, and your **** is getting old.

CSC 06-29-2010 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 662936)
This is trash, and your **** is getting old.

It's 100% factual so I don't understand why you would term it as trash. Did you watch those races? Was he super duper impressive as you just coined him?

Antitrust32 06-29-2010 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662937)
It's 100% factual so I don't understand why you would term it as trash. Did you watch those races? Was he super duper impressive as you just coined him?

there is no limit to your idiotic comments.

CSC 06-29-2010 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 662936)
This is trash, and your **** is getting old.

Let me help you, no. He was good at 1 1/4 in 09 not great, or even very good for that matter. Summer Bird handled him pretty easy.

CSC 06-29-2010 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 662938)
there is no limit to your idiotic comments.

Yes thank you for drinking the koolaid, I'm not even going to ask considering the source. :rolleyes:

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662937)
It's 100% factual so I don't understand why you would term it as trash. Did you watch those races? Was he super duper impressive as you just coined him?

Its one thing to watch the race and come out of it with a shitty conclusion, LIKE YOURS...Its another thing to understand the entire story. Why should he have been ready to fire a huge shot in the Travers? He was coming off an injury, a layoff and a RECORD SETTING PERFORMANCE, where he beat a horse who came right back to cross the wire first in a Grade 1. So he bounces a bit in the Travers, ok fine... What was wrong with his JCGC, what about that race says he cant go 10f? Its so comical, first it was horse for course at Gulfstream, I never understood that... He broke his maiden in a huge fashion at Aqueduct, then he won for fun at Gulf and won for fun at Toga and ran huge at Belmont, but people still said horse for course... Just stop, even you know QR would beat her, you just cant admit it. What is the reasson for not being in the Whitney?

Antitrust32 06-29-2010 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662940)
Yes thank you for drinking the koolaid, I'm not even going to ask considering the source. :rolleyes:

you must be putting on an act. you are starting to make Booth Operator likable.

CSC 06-29-2010 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 662943)
you must be putting on an act. you are starting to make Booth Operator likable.

Okay Mr. Antitrust, I was wrong Summer Bird was life and death to beat Quality Road in the Travers and Jockey Gold Cup last year, he is a monster at 1 1/4. Does this make me less trash in your eyes right now?

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662946)
Okay Mr. Antitrust, I was wrong Summer Bird was life and death to beat Quality Road in the Travers and Jockey Gold Cup last year, he is a monster at 1 1/4. Does this make me less trash in your eyes right now?

Dude Summer Bird was THRIVING AT THE TIME....Career top form, no injurys and loving the distance and SLOP.... I wanted Summer Bird to be healthy so bad this year, I actually prayed for it, because I am so sure QR is tons better then him and will now never get the chance to prove it.

CSC 06-29-2010 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 662947)
Dude Summer Bird was THRIVING AT THE TIME....Career top form, no injurys and loving the distance and SLOP.... I wanted Summer Bird to be healthy so bad this year, I actually prayed for it, because I am so sure QR is tons better then him and will now never get the chance to prove it.

Supposing both horses came back this year, I think Summer Bird would have done well as an older horse. I'm not sure if you are saying he just peaked for those 3 N.Y races are not, but it is in my strong opinion it was not a fluke, he would have been even better this year. Quality Road did run a good race in the JCGC, but he was up on a slow pace and really had no excuse in my opinion, if he was good enough he would have won. You stated earlier can he get 1 1/4, yes he can depending on the competition, but really is it his most ideal distance? I think we would both agree it isn't. What I think is the more prudent point of the discussion. Maybe you are right, maybe I missed it, but from what I have seen of him, 1 1/4 is stretching it for him. But it all depends on the competition, if and when he faces true classic distance runners.

Antitrust32 06-29-2010 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662946)
Okay Mr. Antitrust, I was wrong Summer Bird was life and death to beat Quality Road in the Travers and Jockey Gold Cup last year, he is a monster at 1 1/4. Does this make me less trash in your eyes right now?

its miss antitrust to you & you are not trash.

Your opinion is your opinion, but the constant rachel, quality road, anyone not named Zenyatta bashing is extremely old and tiring.

at least Booth is well, Booth.

knickslions2 06-29-2010 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 662921)
Dude I love BIG Z, but QR would destroy her on dirt... Stop with this fight, its getting old.

Maybe at a mile but not any longer

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 662957)
Maybe at a mile but not any longer

I think he is 5 lenghts clear of her at 9f.

Antitrust32 06-29-2010 01:18 PM

has QR ever run at 1 1/4 on a track labled "fast"?

And why is 1 1/4 the be all and end all?

knickslions2 06-29-2010 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 662959)
I think he is 5 lenghts clear of her at 9f.

Hopefully we can see this come November.

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662946)
Okay Mr. Antitrust, I was wrong Summer Bird was life and death to beat Quality Road in the Travers and Jockey Gold Cup last year, he is a monster at 1 1/4. Does this make me less trash in your eyes right now?

I think your opinion is trash, If I called you trash Im sorry.... I think your opinion is based on nothing, for some reasson your ignoring the wet tracks, the layoffs, the injury and everything QR has done since? If SB was healthy for the Donn, he is likely defeated by about 10 lenghts.

CSC 06-29-2010 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 662956)
its miss antitrust to you & you are not trash.

Your opinion is your opinion, but the constant rachel, quality road, anyone not named Zenyatta bashing is extremely old and tiring.

at least Booth is well, Booth.

I have strong opinions on some things, I know this. But atleast they are honest as I see fit. I don't understand the love QR gets sometimes and maybe I try to balance things out by perhaps going abit overboard at times. Thanks for the reply Miss. Antitrust. :)

NTamm1215 06-29-2010 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 662960)
has QR ever run at 1 1/4 on a track labled "fast"?

And why is 1 1/4 the be all and end all?

Because the Z Nation has deemed 10fs the ultimate test and the BC Classic the greatest race evar. That allows them to propagate the notion that she's the greatest horse to look through a bridle. There's no limit, even Goldikova's greatness was questioned because she didn't run in the BCC!

I am still laughing that two dopes are bashing a horse and his schedule when they fly the flag of a horse whose connections are passing on a 750k race being run a 1/4 mile from her stall at her favorite distance where the favorite is a one-time Grade I winner. They should also be applauded for keeping a perfectly healthy horse in her stall for seven weeks.

NT

Antitrust32 06-29-2010 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662964)
I have strong opinions on some things, I know this. But atleast they are honest as I see fit. I don't understand the love QR gets sometimes and maybe I try to balance things out by perhaps going abit overboard at time. Thanks for the reply Miss. Antitrust. :)

People love Rachel, Zenyatta, and Quality Road because they are all brilliant horses in a time period where we are used to crap.

At least there is Something to get excited about!

CSC 06-29-2010 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 662962)
I think your opinion is trash, If I called you trash Im sorry.... I think your opinion is based on nothing, for some reasson your ignoring the wet tracks, the layoffs, the injury and everything QR has done since? If SB was healthy for the Donn, he is likely defeated by about 10 lenghts.

Fair enough, no one is 100% right and this is horseracing so opinions are going to vary. Still I don't know why even giving 2 examples, granted they are from 09 that my opinion is trash. This reminds me of Dollar Bill in a way, despite the evidence people would still go to bat for him as a gr.1 animal. I guess we will see BC day who is right.

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662969)
Fair enough, no one is 100% right and this is horseracing so opinions are going to vary. Still I don't know why even giving 2 examples, granted they are from 09 that my opinion is trash. This reminds me of Dollar Bill in a way, despite the evidence people would still go to bat for him as a gr.1 animal. I guess we will see BC day who is right.

I love Z, I think she is a lot better then Rachel this year and would have won every single race Rachel won last year, but I think QR is a different breed, a different type of monster.

NTamm1215 06-29-2010 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662969)
Fair enough, no one is 100% right and this is horseracing so opinions are going to vary. Still I don't know why even giving 2 examples, granted they are from 09 that my opinion is trash. This reminds me of Dollar Bill in a way, despite the evidence people would still go to bat for him as a gr.1 animal. I guess we will see BC day who is right.

You just compared Quality Road to Dollar Bill. Let's not get hysterical or anything. It would be so unbecoming of a Zenyatta fan.

NT

CSC 06-29-2010 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 662973)
You just compared Quality Road to Dollar Bill. Let's not get hysterical or anything. It would be so unbecoming of a Zenyatta fan.

NT

No I compared the circumstances, but incase someone thought I did, thank you for allowing me to clear that up.

Smooth Operator 06-29-2010 01:28 PM

LOL … The Rock is killin' me.

QR will have to face Z at CD in Nov … if he can hold it together that long…

NTamm1215 06-29-2010 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 662975)
LOL … The Rock is killin' me.

QR will have to face Z at CD in Nov … if he can hold it together that long…

The admitted Ghostzapper fan is making comments about a horse staying healthy now...

NT

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 662975)
LOL … The Rock is killin' me.

QR will have to face Z at CD in Nov … if he can hold it together that long…

Please not you... Who has Z faced that is even in the same world as QR? That has the same speed, class, and power? The way he rates is just so beautiful... What makes you think he comes back to her late? Why is Big Z not coming for the Whitney? Everyone else seems to be coming, I dont see anyone else ducking QR.


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