Question for Arlington fans
 

I don't follow Arlington racing but couldn't help but notice Nick Canani's unbelievable stats. Winning with 20 of 37 starters and 31 for 37 in the money?

That is incredible. What exactly does he do different than other trainers?

FCC?

-bt-

FCC and that they put horses into alot lower purse races than normal. FCC wants wins and doesn't care about dropping a horse more to get a win.

His owner claims horses for 15-20K and runs back at 10K so he can complain about losing money at the end of the year. I thought once FCC found out Canani was Cuban and not Italian he'd be gone but I was wrong unless Frank's hearing is really bad.

Do people then claim those big drop downs off of them and actually get decent horses on the cheap and have pretty good success with them in subsequent races? Seems like it might be good for other owners at Arlington...being able to find horses at bargain prices.

Worming, shoes, etc.

When Calabrese/Catalano used to take these big price drops,they would get claimed every so often.
It seemed like the animals would typically run horribly in their next start or two after the claim for some (:rolleyes:) strange reason. Betting against favorites first off a claim from Calabrese/Catalano used to be one of the best betting angles at the track.
The last two years I have played far less then I did previously, so I'm not sure if the same holds true for Calabrese/Canani.

it still does. FCC has the best equine medical-care money can buy. :wf

I'm sure his horses could dive to record depths.

s. FCC has the best equine medical-care money can buy. :wf

I'm sure his horses could dive to record depths.[/quote]

its all in the atmosphere:rolleyes:

His vision cant be that good either

According to formulator stats the owner/trainer combo with claiming horses is 103 starts
43 wins 42%
78 itm 76%

No one has claimed any of his horses since the owner/trainer got together a year ago in May.

They also have a bunch of old veterans that live in the hyperbaric for weeks on end and then run a couple good races till their limbs give out.

He claims for 20k and they are in for 15k, if it was a bad claim they are almost automatically in for 5k.

Those are the only races that are going up here right now also so ole FCC is paradise.

They have had 13 horses claimed from them during the AP meet alone.

Not to mention that outside of Bennett and maybe bruggerman there arent many outfits here that claim much ouside of 10k claimers and less.

If you are willing to lose money, winning races at tracks like AP isnt that difficult.

I guess formulator missed them or formulator owner stats don't pick up on shared ownerships. I noticed that with other owner/trainer stats. Some of those horses may not have run back yet as well

Here are the 17 horses claimed off of them at the meet so far:

Tatibitati claimed for $10K 6/12: Hasn't run back
Miss M V P claimed for $17.5K 6/11: Hasn't run back
G L Kiwi claimed for $5K 6/11: Hasn't run back
Exchanging Kisses claimed for $25K 6/10: Hasn't run back
Alarming Afleet claimed for $7.5K 6/6: Entered back MTO Friday
Light My Saphire claimed for $5K 6/5: Hasn't run back
Embers Glowing claimed for $16K 6/5: Hasn't run back
It's About Image claimed for $10K 6/3: Hasn't run back
Dino Dominic claimed for $5K 5/23: 5th in race from which he was claimed, 10th in next start 6/13 at same level
Jansdream claimed for $10K 5/22: Won conditoned N3L day of claim, last of 8 next out against NW1X allowance company at 11-1
Miles and Miles claimed for $5K 5/21: Entered on the lawn Friday on class hike
Wake Up Now claimed for $5K 5/14: 2nd next out when shipped to Fairmount
Stepaside claimed for $16K 5/13: Hasn't run back
Flying by the Pole claimed for $10K 5/13: 4th in conditioned N3L day of claim, last of 6 next out in $35K stakes race at Canterbury 5/31, then 5th against $40K N3L company at AP 6/11
Big Al claimed for $10K 5/9: 2nd against open 10K foes day of claim, 5th next out when hiked into $16K starter allowance
Sarah's Tiger claimed for $17.5K 5/6: 10th and 6th in next two starts against slightly tougher
Proud Expression claimed for $16K 5/2: 2nd against open $16K 3yos day of claim, last of 5 against 3-up $25K N3L claimers next out

There is an entry tomorrow owned by Frank C Calabrese. When filtering the owner/trainer stats, unless previous horses who have run have been listed under that exact name formulator will not pick them up.

Thank you guys for correcting my error.

I may be told otherwise from my limited plays from Arlington this year, but Catalano is not as effective without the Calabrese angle, sure he still wins at a good rate but it's not as outerworldly as once was.

It is kinda funny to think but probably true that Catalano is not doing as well without Calabrese at AP. , but he doesnt suck either over 29 % winners poor guy

I certainly couldn't dispute that, at least not accurately.

Thanks for the info Brian. Doesn't look like any have really stepped up off of the claim...although most have only run back once or twice.

He isnt claiming much anymore, has a completely different type of barn now.

Most have run in seemingly ridiculous spots post claim.

2 horses claimed out of the 10nw3 level ran back in a stake and an allowance race. :wf

even so they will probably continue a downward spiral or just disapear

true but most horses claimed at these levels are in the same boat regardless of location or connections.

I don't want to put you in a difficult position, but don't you find Calabrese seems to move up trainer's? I don't remember kid Canani ever being so proficient that is until he started training for this stable, claiming or not Calabrese seems to have the 'edge' regardless who trains for him.

How long is jail time in Illinois...before the new connections can run the horse back in the same spot or drop it even lower?

yes, but you will get them to nowhere faster by claiming off guys like Canani, Catalano etc

Of course he does. Chuck and any decent trainer could win with 35% of his starters if he had a deep-pocketed owner who was willing to spend $35,000 on a claim just to drop it in for $10,000 six weeks later without starting it in between.

Not sure if you follow Arlington much, but that claim -> ridiculous drop probably covers about 80% of the entries coming from this team -- horses running for at least a 50% reduction in the tag for which they were claimed.

Doubt Chuck will get put in a difficult position by admitting he'd be thrilled to have an owner who didn't care about losing horses for less than he paid for them, didn't care about losing money over the course of the meet, and only wanted to win races at any cost all while still getting his day rate and claiming more horses to keep the barn full.

I don't watch Arlington religiously enough to know but I suspect I know the answer, I would be interested just how horses do once they leave the Calabrese barn, that to me is a much more useful and interesting stat as a capper.

You have an edge when your guy is willing to lose to win. Plus they have other "advantages" having nothing to do with substances or devices placed in or on horses. The FCC payroll may include many individuals.


They also are the the big fish in a little pond here. there really is no one to keep them honest. An owner with some cash and desire could give them a run for their money.

It's your lucky day then -- that info is all above earlier in the thread.

I think it is 21 days you have to bump 25%, 10 more days you can run for the same price and on the 31st day run anywhere.

Hello Michael Gill !

It's guys like this that make bettors look for other options, that is why I like Monmouth so much now, you have a bunch of cheaters and claimers out there. An equal playing field.

LOL

Gill would make it interesting...

Could see him and frank duking it out in the paddock

Agreed. What the track never get is the biggest outfits are usually impediments to their (the tracks) success.

Useful, thanks.

If that's what they are doing...just entering horses at huge discounted prices to win races it's not cheating. At the same time I can see your point as far as wagering...having so many short priced favorites winning that much isn't really what players are looking for.

The info is helpful however, the ol don't take a horse that is once claimed off of Dutrow or Mullins is a very strong deterrent. I shouldn't have to tell any exp handicapper this.