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Alan07 06-09-2010 12:45 PM

6/12 (CD): Foster (G1); Fleur (G2); Jeff, Regret, Dancer (G3's)
 
6th (3:26) Fleur de Lis H. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Multipass Lezcano J 113 LA
2 Made for Magic Berrio O A 117 L
3 Distinctive Dixie Albarado R J 114 LA
4 Rachel Alexandra Borel C H 124 L
5 Jessica Is Back Gomez G K 116 L



7th (3:57) Jefferson Cup S. (G3)

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Formulaforsuccess Nakatani C S 117 LA
2 Gleam of Hope Baird E T 117 Blk-On LA
3 Asphalt Lezcano J 117 LA
4 Guys Reward Albarado R J 117 LA
5 Scottkeith'skitten Court J K 117 LA
6 Dont Tell Kitten Geroux F 117 LA
7 Lost Aptitude Gomez G K 119 LA
8 Our Douglas Solis A 117 LA
9 Psychic Income Lanerie C J 117 LA



8th (4:29) Northern Dancer S. (G3)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $125,000

1 Worldly Albarado R J 116 L
2 Crider Bridgmohan S X 116 LA
3 Spoon River Lew Theriot H J II 116 LA
4 Colizeo Gomez G K 116 LA
5 Vow to Wager Mena M 120 LA
6 Prince Will I Am Borel C H 116 LA
7 Max Silverhammer Torres F C 118 LA



9th (4:59) Regret S. (G3)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $125,000

1 Go Ask Alex Court J K 116 L
2 La Gran Bailadora Coa E M 116 LA
3 Caminadora Nakatani C S 116 LA
4 Joharmony Castellano J J 118 LA
5 Queen of the Creek Lezcano J 116 LA
6 Jody Slew Mena M 118 LA
7 Ambitoness Theriot H J II 116 L
8 It's Tea Time Gomez G K 116 LA
9 Queen Hazel Hernandez B J Jr 116 LA
10 Dynazaper Albarado R J 116 LA
11 Beautician Solis A 116 LA
12 Snow Top Mountain Lenclud F 116 LA
13 Laura Babe Borel C H 116 L



10th (5:29) Stephen Foster H. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $600,000


1 A. U. Miner Torres F C 113 LA
2 Battle Plan Castellano J J 119 LA
3 Giant Oak Bridgmohan S X 115 Blk-On LA
4 Duke of Mischief Coa E M 116 L
5 Arson Squad Lopez P 120 L
6 General Quarters Solis A 120 L
7 Honest Man Lezcano J 115 LA
8 No Advantage Borel C H 117 LA
9 Macho Again Albarado R J 116 Blk-Off LA
10 Demarcation Mena M 115 LA
11 Blame Gomez G K 120 LA

Fulla Sheets 06-09-2010 12:55 PM

Great card

Gomez instead of Desormauex on Lost Aptitude in the Jefferson Cup is interesting.

RockHardTen1985 06-09-2010 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fulla Sheets (Post 655848)
Great card

Gomez instead of Desormauex on Lost Aptitude in the Jefferson Cup is interesting.

Gomez could be sitting on a gigantic day here. He is riding like **** right now, he def. needs it.

OldDog 06-09-2010 01:31 PM

General Quarters and Blame in the Stephen Foster . . . Oh Yeah!

ateamstupid 06-09-2010 09:29 PM

Who's going to run with Battle Plan early? Honest Man, maybe? Seems like Castellano has a major tactical advantage on Gomez.

RockHardTen1985 06-09-2010 09:31 PM

I dont give GQ much of a shot in here vs the top 2..... Battle Plan has a big edge on Blame IMO, I think this is really chalky....Battle Plan-Blame will run 1-2, just not sure what order yet.

VOL JACK 06-09-2010 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 655872)
General Quarters and Blame in the Stephen Foster . . . Oh Yeah!

GQ needs to stay on the turf.

Kasept 06-10-2010 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fulla Sheets (Post 655848)
Gomez instead of Desormauex on Lost Aptitude in the Jefferson Cup is interesting.

'meaux staying at BEL for Unrivaled Belle in the Phipps.

golfer 06-10-2010 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 656137)
'meaux staying at BEL for Unrivaled Belle in the Phipps.

After last week, Desormeaux off is an angle I'm going to be watching closely.

ateamstupid 06-10-2010 08:36 AM

JIB can certainly beat Rachel in this spot.

VOL JACK 06-10-2010 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfer (Post 656138)
After last week, Desormeaux off is an angle I'm going to be watching closely.

8 years too late on this cash cow angle.

RockHardTen1985 06-10-2010 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 656161)
JIB can certainly beat Rachel in this spot.

I think Im betting her to win If I can get 3-1 or more.

CSC 06-11-2010 10:03 AM

That's quite the field in the Fleur de Lis, if only Steve Asmussen could comment on his horse without the gag order imposed by Jess, maybe we can get a gauge just how Rachel is feeling in hopes of her getting her 1st win this year. ;)

NTamm1215 06-11-2010 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 656461)
I think Im betting her to win If I can get 3-1 or more.

Are they relocating the race to South Florida?

NT

slotdirt 06-11-2010 11:05 AM

I'm not completely opposed to Duke of Mischief.

RockHardTen1985 06-12-2010 05:40 PM

Im not sure what the beyer will be, Im assuming not great because of the time compared to Rachel, but Blame IMO ran HUGE. Stacked up wide the entire way, chasing a horse who is supposed to be really good and got away with murder and then to gun him down that way..... Blame is the real, If QR cant get 10f or were to get cooked early Blame is a serious threat. They were super high on Battle Plan, and for Blame to win this race, this way with this setup, was super impressive.

Indian Charlie 06-12-2010 07:28 PM

Am I the only one that didn't think RA looked so fantastic?

To me, she ran basically the same type of race as her previous two.

The only difference being that instead of 10 lengths back to 3rd, it was 10 back to 2nd.

10 pnt move up 06-12-2010 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 657149)
Am I the only one that didn't think RA looked so fantastic?

To me, she ran basically the same type of race as her previous two.

The only difference being that instead of 10 lengths back to 3rd, it was 10 back to 2nd.

the time?

ateamstupid 06-12-2010 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 657149)
Am I the only one that didn't think RA looked so fantastic?

To me, she ran basically the same type of race as her previous two.

The only difference being that instead of 10 lengths back to 3rd, it was 10 back to 2nd.

So you're saying that this field was significantly weaker than the last two she faced? I can't say I agree with that. She dominated every part of the race and snuffed out her competition (weak as it may have been) pretty much one-by-one.

Indian Charlie 06-12-2010 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 657151)
the time?

What about it?

Indian Charlie 06-12-2010 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 657152)
So you're saying that this field was significantly weaker than the last two she faced? I can't say I agree with that. She dominated every part of the race and snuffed out her competition (weak as it may have been) pretty much one-by-one.

Maybe it was, I dunno.

What I am saying was that it was a long way back behind RA in all three races, to the next horse.

Double digits in the first race back. Something like 5 last time out, then double digits again. If you remove the winner from those first two races, visually speaking, all three of these races look an awful lot alike.

I bet you even the speed figures will not be that far apart either. No doubt this will get the highest figure, but that was to be expected anyways, because of conditioning.

So, in other words, this race really didn't change anything in my opinion.

Yes, the RA of today most likely would have won those two other starts, but not by anything like what we saw today.

DaTruth 06-12-2010 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 657149)
Am I the only one that didn't think RA looked so fantastic?

To me, she ran basically the same type of race as her previous two.

The only difference being that instead of 10 lengths back to 3rd, it was 10 back to 2nd.

I completely agree with you. I don't understand why her natural speed isn't being used to full advantage like it was last year. It is almost as if they are set on having her engage in stretch battles so she can be better prepared to repel the challenge of a certain stretch runner.

slotdirt 06-12-2010 11:21 PM

Yeah, so can Blame run a little? I think so.

RockHardTen1985 06-13-2010 12:18 AM

What are the odds of getting Blame, Zenyatta, Rachel, Quality Road in the same starting gate?

Merlinsky 06-13-2010 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 657225)
What are the odds of getting Blame, Zenyatta, Rachel, Quality Road in the same starting gate?

I keep wondering what it would've been like had QR been in the starting gate in the BCC last year (without the wigging out costing him energy, either). I went back to watch the starting gate incident which has its own videos up on Youtube. I had to pause halfway through because I knew what was about to happen with his mental breakdown and all that kicking--scary every time. It's like someone told him he was in the rodeo as a bucking bronco, not in the Classic. Did anybody give that assistant starter a trophy yet? Cash reward? I sure hope someone said something to him at the very least.

CSC 06-13-2010 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 657165)
Maybe it was, I dunno.

What I am saying was that it was a long way back behind RA in all three races, to the next horse.

Double digits in the first race back. Something like 5 last time out, then double digits again. If you remove the winner from those first two races, visually speaking, all three of these races look an awful lot alike.

I bet you even the speed figures will not be that far apart either. No doubt this will get the highest figure, but that was to be expected anyways, because of conditioning.

So, in other words, this race really didn't change anything in my opinion.

Yes, the RA of today most likely would have won those two other starts, but not by anything like what we saw today.

Hard to believe but I am agreeing with you, your observations are spot on with this one. When Rachel overmatches her opposition, she often looks better than what is truly the case, I liken her to that football team that runs up the score against overmatched opposition, she runs hard to the wire when she is full of confidence and when posed with very little challenges. When the opposition is more on par she wilts, due to the mediocrities that ran against her yesterday it is hard to gauge just how much she improved, I don't think it was as much as most believe.

Travis Stone 06-13-2010 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 657172)
It is almost as if they are set on having her engage in stretch battles so she can be better prepared to repel the challenge of a certain stretch runner.

I highly doubt this.

Rachel Alexandra is back to her 108-110 Beyer form... and we'll see if she can keep it going the rest of the year. She does have to ship over the Allegheny Mountains en route to Saratoga.

Danzig 06-13-2010 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 657264)
Hard to believe but I am agreeing with you, your observations are spot on with this one. When Rachel overmatches her opposition, she often looks better than what is truly the case, I liken her to that football team that runs up the score against overmatched opposition, she runs hard to the wire when she is full of confidence and when posed with very little challenges. When the opposition is more on par she wilts, due to the mediocrities that ran against her yesterday it is hard to gauge just how much she improved, I don't think it was as much as most believe.


yep, spot on. god knows she wilted like a wal-mart flower in the preakness and the woodward!!

tector 06-13-2010 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 657165)
Yes, the RA of today most likely would have won those two other starts, but not by anything like what we saw today.

Yes

tector 06-13-2010 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 657285)
yep, spot on. god knows she wilted like a wal-mart flower in the preakness and the woodward!!


Yes, every time you think he can't be a more ignorant, trolling fool he comes up with a new one, doesn't he?

This too shall pass.

CSC 06-13-2010 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 657285)
yep, spot on. god knows she wilted like a wal-mart flower in the preakness and the woodward!!

Considering how Mine That Bird, Macho Again, Bullsbay, Unrivaled Belle and Zardana have done of late, yeah I agree she was the world of resistance. Like the Berlin Wall...that eventually fell. Wouldn't you agree?

CSC 06-13-2010 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tector (Post 657308)
Yes, every time you think he can't be a more ignorant, trolling fool he comes up with a new one, doesn't he?

This too shall pass.

Brilliant post, to quote a Coach-ism... F____ You

I'm not going anywhere.

Danzig 06-13-2010 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 657311)
Considering how Mine That Bird, Macho Again, Bullsbay, Unrivaled Belle and Zardana have done of late, yeah I agree she was the world of resistance. Like the Berlin Wall...that eventually fell. Wouldn't you agree?

apparently i would not. you said when she met resistance, she folded. that's not the case at all.

Indian Charlie 06-13-2010 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 657264)
Hard to believe but I am agreeing with you, your observations are spot on with this one. When Rachel overmatches her opposition, she often looks better than what is truly the case, I liken her to that football team that runs up the score against overmatched opposition, she runs hard to the wire when she is full of confidence and when posed with very little challenges. When the opposition is more on par she wilts, due to the mediocrities that ran against her yesterday it is hard to gauge just how much she improved, I don't think it was as much as most believe.

That's not what I was trying to say, but that's pretty typical for any horse that badly out matches their opposition.

Except for big Z.

CSC 06-13-2010 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 657314)
apparently i would not. you said when she met resistance, she folded. that's not the case at all.

Read a little more carefeully. I also she didn't win by 10+ as she does when the races come up easy for her. That's was the point.

CSC 06-13-2010 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 657315)
That's not what I was trying to say, but that's pretty typical for any horse that badly out matches their opposition.

Except for big Z.

More so for Rachel, she's the type of horse that runs hard to the wire, when she's feeling good and full of confidence she doesn't know how to gear down, unlike some horses like Cigar and yes Zenyatta.

ateamstupid 06-13-2010 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 657320)
More so for Rachel, she's the type of horse that runs hard to the wire, when she's feeling good and full of confidence she doesn't know how to gear down, unlike some horses like Cigar and yes Zenyatta.

WTF? Do you read Rachel's diary or something? Go take a look at the Fair Grounds Oaks and tell me "she doesn't know how to gear down." Or maybe you think Flying Spur really was making up 3 1/2 lengths on her late.

philcski 06-13-2010 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 657317)
Read a little more carefeully. I also she didn't win by 10+ as she does when the races come up easy for her. That's was the point.

So she's supposed to win by 10+ when the races come up easy, and also when they come up hard?

Well by that circular logic, if she won every race by 10+, they would have all come up easy :zz:

Antitrust32 06-14-2010 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 657311)
Considering how Mine That Bird, Macho Again, Bullsbay, Unrivaled Belle and Zardana have done of late, yeah I agree she was the world of resistance. Like the Berlin Wall...that eventually fell. Wouldn't you agree?

:zz::zz::zz::zz:


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