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dellinger63 05-21-2010 08:23 AM

Obama Admin. Getting Tough w/N. Korea
 
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday the evidence is “overwhelming” that a North Korean submarine sank a South Korean warship and the communist country must face international consequences for its actions.

“The evidence is overwhelming and condemning. The torpedo that sunk the Cheonan and took the lives of 46 South Korean sailors was fired by a North Korean submarine,” she told reporters.

and our plan for consequences

Underscoring the concern, U.S. officials have refused to call the North’s attack on the ship an act of war or state-sponsored terror, warning that an overreaction could cause the Korean peninsula to “explode.” They said they would explore diplomatic steps through the U.N. or increase Washington’s unilateral sanctions against North Korea’s Soviet-style state.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/world/2...052110.article

OMG not UN sanctions! Kim Jong must be shaking, actually laughing in his boots. Let's really make him suffer and delay the sanctions indefinately!! :wf

joeydb 05-21-2010 09:05 AM

If I had a nickel for every time Democrats said "getting tough" and "sanctions" in the same sentence... :rolleyes:

By the way, isn't the use of sanctions (and nothing else) how North Korea got to be a nuclear power in the first place?

Can't wait to see how the Iran sanctions play out. Anybody want to give me odds for a bet on a nuclear Iran?

dellinger63 05-21-2010 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 649656)
If I had a nickel for every time Democrats said "getting tough" and "sanctions" in the same sentence... :rolleyes:

By the way, isn't the use of sanctions (and nothing else) how North Korea got to be a nuclear power in the first place?

Can't wait to see how the Iran sanctions play out. Anybody want to give me odds for a bet on a nuclear Iran?

I agree with Israel and believe 'that cow has already left the barn'

hi_im_god 05-21-2010 09:41 AM

your criticism is misdirected. s. korea is (appropriately) taking the lead in the response to the sinking of their ship.

do you suggest we bomb n. korea because they sank a s. korean ship? how does that play out for s. korea?

if we aren't going to follow the s. korean lead, what should we do?

GBBob 05-21-2010 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 649667)
your criticism is misdirected. s. korea is (appropriately) taking the lead in the response to the sinking of their ship.

do you suggest we bomb n. korea because they sank a s. korean ship? how does that play out for s. korea?

if we aren't going to follow the s. korean lead, what should we do?

Have BP start drilling for oil off their shores

dellinger63 05-21-2010 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 649667)

do you suggest we bomb n. korea because they sank a s. korean ship? how does that play out for s. korea?

if we aren't going to follow the s. korean lead, what should we do?

I don't think we should bomb anyone regarding this. We should have said to the world we have S. Korea's back when they undoubtedly retaliate. Period! F' the U.N.! What are they going to do restrict food imports? The people of N. Korea are brainwashed victims of Jong who could care less about them. Jong individually and/or his military needs to be attacked not the people.

brianwspencer 05-21-2010 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 649673)
I don't think we should bomb anyone regarding this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 649673)
Jong individually and/or his military needs to be attacked not the people.

Um....

hi_im_god 05-21-2010 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 649673)
I don't think we should bomb anyone regarding this. We should have said to the world we have S. Korea's back when they undoubtedly retaliate. Period! F' the U.N.! What are they going to do restrict food imports? The people of N. Korea are brainwashed victims of Jong who could care less about them. Jong individually and/or his military needs to be attacked not the people.

s. korea isn't going to attack the north. the end game for any war on that peninsula is the destruction of seoul followed by the collapse of n. korea.

s. korea couldn't deal with the flood of refugees that come after the n. korean regime is gone even if they weren't dealing with several hundred thousand dead and a ruined economy.

you should be thankful that we have grown ups making the decisions. it's a better world than the one that would exist if people actually did what you suggest.

jms62 05-21-2010 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 649673)
I don't think we should bomb anyone regarding this. We should have said to the world we have S. Korea's back when they undoubtedly retaliate. Period! F' the U.N.! What are they going to do restrict food imports? The people of N. Korea are brainwashed victims of Jong who could care less about them. Jong individually and/or his military needs to be attacked not the people.

Yes thats exactly what we need is another war front... Then you'll ****ing complain that we are getting deeper in debt.

Nascar1966 05-21-2010 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 649654)
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday the evidence is “overwhelming” that a North Korean submarine sank a South Korean warship and the communist country must face international consequences for its actions.

“The evidence is overwhelming and condemning. The torpedo that sunk the Cheonan and took the lives of 46 South Korean sailors was fired by a North Korean submarine,” she told reporters.

and our plan for consequences

Underscoring the concern, U.S. officials have refused to call the North’s attack on the ship an act of war or state-sponsored terror, warning that an overreaction could cause the Korean peninsula to “explode.” They said they would explore diplomatic steps through the U.N. or increase Washington’s unilateral sanctions against North Korea’s Soviet-style state.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/world/2...052110.article

OMG not UN sanctions! Kim Jong must be shaking, actually laughing in his boots. Let's really make him suffer and delay the sanctions indefinately!! :wf

Threats Threats Threats. O'Dumbass doesn't have the balls to do anything about North Korea. Just like he doesn't the balls to do anything about the illegals. Im sure if the Governor of Arizona was President there would be some action taken against North Korea. All O'Dumbass wants to do is kiss Calderon's ass while he is degrading this great country of ours.

joeydb 05-21-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 649657)
I agree with Israel and believe 'that cow has already left the barn'

I side with Israel too, and that's one of the many reasons that I vote Republican. :D

What's interesting is that everyone who proposes sanctions, and only sanctions (this includes some Republicans), knows that they WON'T WORK. Therefore those same individuals are OK with doing nothing, since doing nothing is the functional equivalent of sanctions.

Does anyone think our security is well served by people with this attitude?

Cannon Shell 05-21-2010 01:20 PM

Seriously what can be done about N Korea? The reality is nothing because this has been allowed to fester for so long. Iran is a much bigger problem.

dellinger63 05-21-2010 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 649677)
s. korea isn't going to attack the north. the end game for any war on that peninsula is the destruction of seoul followed by the collapse of n. korea.

s. korea couldn't deal with the flood of refugees that come after the n. korean regime is gone even if they weren't dealing with several hundred thousand dead and a ruined economy.

you should be thankful that we have grown ups making the decisions. it's a better world than the one that would exist if people actually did what you suggest.

sometimes divorce ends that way but needs to be done to end the suffering

get a set!

dellinger63 05-21-2010 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 649676)
Um....

what I expected from you but thank you for at least being consistent. :eek:

brianwspencer 05-21-2010 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 649865)
what I expected from you but thank you for at least being consistent. :eek:

I don't follow. You expect me to point out glaring inconsistencies that you create within single posts?

I guess that's flattering. I have always been a pretty good reader. Thanks!

dellinger63 05-21-2010 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 649866)
I don't follow. You expect me to point out glaring inconsistencies that you create within single posts?

I guess that's flattering. I have always been a pretty good reader. Thanks!

why cause I expect S.Korea to 'man up' and fight knowing we will back them but not directly involve ourselves?

brianwspencer 05-21-2010 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 649867)
why cause I expect S.Korea to 'man up' and fight knowing we will back them but not directly involve ourselves?

Well how are we going to back them if not militarily?

With words of support and cheers? Isn't that what you're upset about in the first place in this thread -- just talking and not doing anything?

Or else, we have to back them up militarily, which necessarily involves "bombing" people, which you've started your post by saying we shouldn't do.

So which part of your post do you mean? You quite clearly can't mean both, which is where "Um...." came from in the first place.

dellinger63 05-21-2010 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 649868)
With words of support and cheers? Isn't that what you're upset about in the first place in this thread -- just talking and not doing anything?

.

I'm upset because all our supposed bros., sisters etc. are pussys and need big bro. to save everything! USA as a big bro needs to say go get em! IMO

brianwspencer 05-21-2010 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 649870)
I'm upset because all our supposed bros., sisters etc. are pussys and need big bro. to save everything! USA as a big bro needs to say go get em! IMO

Ok, I didn't get anything even remotely close to that sentiment from your original post -- but if that's what you were trying to say, ok then, I have nothing to discuss on that.

dellinger63 05-21-2010 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 649871)
Ok, I didn't get anything even remotely close to that sentiment from your original post -- but if that's what you were trying to say, ok then, I have nothing to discuss on that.

BTW IMO same goes for Israel. Nip it in the bud!

miraja2 05-21-2010 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 649677)
you should be thankful that we have grown ups making the decisions. it's a better world than the one that would exist if people actually did what you suggest.

No kidding.

Even though the Bush/Cheney administration seriously bungled a number of foreign policy decisions, they are truly a bunch of diplomatic geniuses compared to much of the conservative peanut gallery in the DT politics room.

Patrick333 05-21-2010 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 649670)
Have BP start drilling for oil off their shores

:tro::tro:

hi_im_god 05-21-2010 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 649870)
I'm upset because all our supposed bros., sisters etc. are pussys and need big bro. to save everything! USA as a big bro needs to say go get em! IMO

it's so easy to make decisions that cost lives other than your own.

seoul is about 1/2 hour drive from the dmz. the largest concentration of conventional artillery in the world is on the other side.

n. korea doesn't need nukes to end seoul. it can use those elsewhere (tokyo? okinawa? honolulu?).

this isn't high school you idiot.

Riot 05-21-2010 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 649873)
No kidding.

Even though the Bush/Cheney administration seriously bungled a number of foreign policy decisions, they are truly a bunch of diplomatic geniuses compared to much of the conservative peanut gallery in the DT politics room.

Speaking of conservatives, I've learned here that Rand Paul isn't far right ;) He just fooled everyone here in KY.

Now, there's a guy who's had a tough three days.

brianwspencer 05-21-2010 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 649927)
Speaking of conservatives, I've learned here that Rand Paul isn't far right ;)

Oh no, not at all. :zz::zz:

Danzig 05-21-2010 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 649670)
Have BP start drilling for oil off their shores

:tro:

what a snafu/fubar that is.

Danzig 05-21-2010 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 649742)
Seriously what can be done about N Korea? The reality is nothing because this has been allowed to fester for so long. Iran is a much bigger problem.

i agree. north korea, as far as we go, means nothing. iran on the other hand....but it's our own fault that iran is the big dog on the block.

jms62 05-22-2010 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 649972)
i agree. north korea, as far as we go, means nothing. iran on the other hand....but it's our own fault that iran is the big dog on the block.

I always said we should've let Iran and Iraq duke it out and took on the winner.

dellinger63 05-22-2010 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 649920)
it's so easy to make decisions that cost lives other than your own.

seoul is about 1/2 hour drive from the dmz. the largest concentration of conventional artillery in the world is on the other side.

n. korea doesn't need nukes to end seoul. it can use those elsewhere (tokyo? okinawa? honolulu?).

this isn't high school you idiot.

Let me guess. The dogs in the neighborhood poop on your front lawn and you clean it up?

hi_im_god 05-22-2010 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 650035)
Let me guess. The dogs in the neighborhood poop on your front lawn and you clean it up?

no. they poop in a neighbor's yard. i just encourage him to throw rocks through the dog owner's windows.

that's how i roll.

Danzig 05-22-2010 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 650004)
I always said we should've let Iran and Iraq duke it out and took on the winner.


we should never have gotten involved when they fought back in the day when 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' foreign policy was the law of the land. giving iraq help sent the wrong message to saddam. it's been effed up ever since.

dellinger63 05-27-2010 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 650053)
no. they poop in a neighbor's yard. i just encourage him to throw rocks through the dog owner's windows.

that's how i roll.

try wiping it in his wife or kid's mouth next time. that's how we roll.

hopefully N Korea send the dogs in on rural communities and the patriots have a big appetites for dog

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/89aefe20-6...44feab49a.html


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