Borel In Hall Of Fame?
 

Always wondered if that has ever happened.

I didn't read the article, but I don't see how a guy who's now won three Derbys doesn't make his way to Saratoga.

how could he be kept out

the most important race of the year in america

So if he had won only 2 he doesn't get in?

I mean Johnny V has a total of none and he is a HOF for sure....Maybe a bit too much emphasis on one race here. Not saying he doesn't belong but the Derby is not the only important race.

Realistically, there's the Derby, and then there's everything else...

Johnny V. could win 37 Westchesters, 23 Lake Georges, and 403 Stuyvesants, and it wouldn't match up to Calvin's three Derbys. Like Travis said.

travis is right it's the derby , it's the world series of horse racing , it may only be 1 race , but , it's the most important race every year by leaps and bounds

Shouldn't riding ability count for something....I mean why not just induct every Derby winner and leave everyone else out. That's silly. He needs to belong on his total resume, not simply Derbys.

I don't want Johnny V in the Hall of Fame. He's made a career out of riding those Pletcher juice jobs -- you know, the ones that just keep coming in the stretch-- and giving horses those abusive wide trips. When's the last time he even sniffed the rail? Mike the EUNUCH has more balls than Johnny V.

No EUNUCHS in the Hall. It's written.

3 derby's is enough to even get chantal in randall , that's how it is

Maybe Calvin will get an Eclipse award which just might cement a place in the HOF.

Velazquez has had plenty of chances in the Derby and failed. Meanwhile, Calvin won on freaking Mine that Bird. I don't think anything else really needs to be said.

Besides, are we comparing JV to Calvin, or debating whether Calvin is HOF-worthy? You're basically saying that Warren Moon (JV) should get in the HOF based on a bunch of gaudy numbers before Terry Bradshaw (Calvin) who always won the big one. I think they probably both deserve enshrinement, but Calvin deserves it more.

3 out of 4 derbys is no fluke...he's gotta be a lock at this point. Approaching 5,000 wins too...it's a no brainer.

Mike Kane was the long time communications director of the Hall of Fame. He's very qualified to consider Borel's resume on this topic, and what he lists as the accomplishments to date absolutely place Calvin on the HOF cusp. His career isn't over by a long stretch, so he'll end up with way over 5,000 wins. Fold in these late career heroics on the national stage, and I think you have to acknowledge that Borel is approaching Hall worthiness.

His major stakes wins (Wikipedia)

Breeders' Cup Juvenile (2006)
Kentucky Derby (2007, 2009, 2010)
Preakness Stakes (2009)

Super Derby (1991)
Arkansas Derby (1993)
Count Fleet (1995)
Falls City Handicap (1996, 1999, 2003, 2007, 2008)
Apple Blossom Handicap (1997, 2001)
Fleur de Lis Handicap (1997, 2009)
Essex Handicap (1998, 2007)
Clark Handicap (1999)
Kentucky Cup Classic Handicap (1999)
Bashford Manor Stakes (2000, 2008)
Oaklawn Handicap (2000)
Bourbon Stakes (2002)
Silverbulletday Stakes (2003)
Ack Ack Handicap (2004)
Stephen Foster Handicap (2006)
Amsterdam (2006)
Tampa Bay Derby (2007)
Travers Stakes (2007)
Sword Dancer (2007)
Alabama Stakes (2007)
Jim Dandy Stakes (2007)
Razorback Breeders' Cup Handicap (2008)
Golden Rod Stakes (2002,2008)
Hal's Hope Handicap (2009)
Fair Grounds Oaks (2009)
Fantasy Stakes (2009)
Kentucky Oaks (2009)
Louisville Stakes (2009)
Haskell Invitational (2009)
Woodward Stakes (2009)
Mother Goose (2009)
Kentucky Jockey Club (2009)
Derby Trial (2010)

Additionally, he RARELY gets days for careless riding, is well liked amongst the rest of the jockey colony, and is a cult heroic figure here in Kentucky.

I absolutely think he's a Hall of Famer.

What jockey isnt a hall of famer?

Billy Triollo?

Grade Inflation Is Everywhere. I agree.

Chin Yang?
Dashawn Parker?

Gerald Almodovar?

Kayla Stra would be if Vic was her agent.

I laughed

Yeah. Kayla is okay, for those who don't watch GG racing (and still feel the need to comment). If someone works those premature move tendencies out of her, she'd be as good as any female jock in the country. Good thing she's in a colony with R Baze. :rolleyes:

5.

Good from far, far from good.

lol. (i deleted my post cause i didnt want to seem sexist, but good to know)

Chantal's alright....looking.

JOCKEYS YEAR JOCKEYS YEAR
John Adams 1965 Frank D. Adams 1970
Joe Aitcheson , Jr. 1978 G. Edward Arcaro 1958
Ted F. Atkinson 1957 Braulio Baeza 1976
Jerry Bailey 1995 George Barbee 1996
Caroll K. Bassett 1972 Russell Baze 1999
Walter Blum 1987 William N. Boland 2006
George Bostwick 1968 Sam Boulmetis , Sr. 1973
Steve Brooks 1963 Don Brumfield 1996
Thomas H. Burns 1983 James H. Butwell 1984
J. Dallett Byers 1967 Steve Cauthen 1994
Frank Coltiletti 1970 Angel Cordero , Jr. 1988
Robert H. Crawford 1973 Pat Day 1991
Eddie Delahoussaye 1993 Kent Desormeaux 2004
Lavelle Ensor 1962 Laverne Fator 1955
Earlie Fires 2001 Jerry Fishback 1992
Mack Garner 1969 Edward Garrison 1955
Avelino Gomez 1982 Henry F. Griffin 1956
O. Eric Guerin 1972 William J. Hartack 1959
Sandy Hawley 1992 Albert Johnson 1971
William J. Knapp 1969 Julie Krone 2000
Clarence Kummer 1972 Charles Kurtsinger 1967
John P. Loftus 1959 John Eric Longden 1958
Daniel A. Maher 1955 Eddie Maple 2009
J. Linus McAtee 1956 Chris McCarron 1989
Conn McCreary 1974 Rigan McKinney 1968
James McLaughlin 1955 Walter Miller 1955
Isaac B. Murphy 1955 Ralph Neves 1960
Joe Notter 1963 Winfield O Connor 1956
George M. Odom 1955 Frank O'Neill 1956
Ivan H. Parke 1978 Gilbert W. Patrick 1970
Laffit Pincay , Jr. 1975 Edgar Prado 2008
Samuel Purdy 1970 John Reiff 1956
Alfred Robertson 1971 John L. Rotz 1983
Earl Sande 1955 Jose Santos 2007
John Sellers 2007 Carroll H. Shilling 1970
William Shoemaker 1958 Willie Simms 1977
Tod Sloan 1955 Mike Smith 2003
Alfred P. Smithwick 1973 Gary Stevens 1997
James Stout 1968 Fred Taral 1955
Bayard Tuckerman , Jr. 1973 Ron Turcotte 1979
Nash Turner 1955 Robert N. Ussery 1980
Ismael Valenzuela 2008 Jacinto Vasquez 1998
Jorge Velasquez 1990 Thomas Walsh 2005
Jack Westrope 2002 Jimmy Winkfield 2004
George M. Woolf 1955 Raymond Workman 1956
Manuel Ycaza 1977

Too many.

Please remove Mike Smith....Recall vote.

A lot of people would ask for a recall on Prado as well at this point

The Dutrows for sure.

If Earlie Fires is in, than Joe Bravo should be in.

:D

And he was only 1 win away...

Yang is in the Korean jockey school HoF

Parker is in the Mountaineer Park HoF

All your fault

I bid you a fine farewell...

that was awesome.

as far as Hall of Fame

I couldn't care less.

They need to put Calvin's whip in the Smithsonian

http://americanhistory.si.edu/

:rolleyes:

The interesting thing that came to me from the article was the statement that, of the multiple-Derby winning riders, only Borel and Chris Antley are not in the Hall of Fame. If asked to rate these two riders, it's not close, and I'm not picking Borel.

In looking at Borel's career record, he has only won three riding titles at a major venue (and all came at Churchill Downs, in 1998, 2007 and 2009). He had relatively few (for a potential Hall of Famer) major stakes wins before 2005, and even those since then are mostly on two horses (Street Sense and Rachel Alexandra).

A lot of people are trying to draw an analogy to another sports figure. I'd suggest "Big Shot" Robert Horry, who was reknowned for his clutch shooting as a member of 7 NBA chamionship teams. However, he only averaged about 8 points a game during his career. Is he a basketball Hall of Famer?