Stupidest thing I've read today
 

http://www.drf.com/news/article/112005.html


Even if he wasn't a son of Cuvee ... it's still very stupid.


He does deserve special mention for being the nicest 2-year-old to race at PID last year anyway.

12 panels should be right in his wheelhouse.

I was just going to post that this is a race where he has a great chance to finish last.

NT

This where someone comes in and says his dams side will carry him the whole way. LOL

He always seems to get hit in the head by the 1/16th pole... and he hasn't gone 9fs yet .. let alone 12f.

He's just getting moving at 8.5 is all...You wait!

If a Borrego can win first out at 4.5 then NP can surely win the Coyote Lakes stakes at AQ

Not just today, but the stupidest thing I have heard in a long time.

McPeek was also on TVG last week yapping about how Bold Start should love Keeneland's turf course and how it favors front runners in turf routes.

I think the last time I looked they were like 2 for 80 or something gate to wire turf routes.

Hold up a second... It's a mistake to think that running 1.5 miles there is anything like running 1.5 miles here. The Epsom Derby is won in 2:32.0-2:36.0, or in other words, about 5 seconds slower than the Belmont. As nuts as McPeek may be, I wouldn't be so dismissive of this concept. It's horses galloping for a seven-eighths of a mile and finishing the last five-eighths with a flourish. It's not an American Classic dirt race.

Pace or none, 12 panels on the turf is a long way...Cuvee doesn't help.

Yeah. Here's a horse that hasn't sniffed a good trip in 4 straight races. And we have nothing better to do than trash him. Maybe he doesn't get 12F but put him BEHIND horses and make a ****in' timely move (for once) with him and he's certainly not embarrassing himself.

Steve, You're out of your mind on this one. You are totally overthinking it.

The final times are slower because the course is extremely demanding and you run uphill for part of it.

They don't call the race "the supreme test of a thoroughbred" because it's easy for a horse by Cuvee out of a Clever Trick mare to see out the distance.

How do our best American turf horses do when we travel to Dubai for the turf marathons? Hell, the Euro's only ship in a few each year for the BC Turf and they always seem to kick our asses in that race on our own soil.

McPeek has some kind of fascination with the Epsom Derby...

The day's not over....

It's a strong leader in the clubhoue though.

Maybe Pletcher has his eyes set on the Grand National with Discreetly Mine.

85/50 thinking BC Marathon. Plenty of turns to bolt on.

Here was Cuvee.



Just missed the CD track record for 4.5fs in his debut - and set a 20 3/5th opening quarter while dueling in his first start as a 3yo.

His Saratoga Special win in the slop was spectacular.

McPeaked is a tool.

If Dubai Millenniumm had only ducked the Epsom Derby ... I think he would probably be considered the consensus best horse from last decade over Ghostzapper.

It also is uphill for a half-mile after the start and for the last half-mile. Even as good a miler as Blushing Groom couldn't last for that uphill finish.

Mineshaft was a better horse and for a trainer that wasn't a cheat. How the great DrugS could not see this is beyond me.

Yeah, Dubai Millennium probably would have been beaten by Perfect Drift as well...I used to get a lot more mystified when reading your signature but now I've gotten used to it. DM would have absolutely throttled Mineshaft.

NT

I agree Doug -

Just to add as well that Epsom is the closest a horse will ever get to riding on a rollercoaster - it is just a ridiculous track and you can see every year how it affects plenty of immature horses.

Great horses lose all the time. Sad that some can't realize that.

Mineshaft kind of sucked before he got lasix.

He was a brand new horse with lasix obviously.

His lifetime PP's can be found here from an Illman blog link...

http://community.drf.com/files/discr...e-family-1.pdf

That's nice.

LOL!

McPeek is god!

I recognize that great horses lose all the time. However, I also judge them based on who they beat. The band of horses he beat up on in 2003 was far, far, far from impressive.

NT

They weren't bad ... but when horses like Candy Ride, Medaglia D'Oro, and Congaree are around ... and he's not beating them ... the opposition is going to seem terrible.

Perfect Drift was an excellent horse when he beat Mineshaft - and Mineshaft ran the better race of the two in defeat anyway.

I think Mineshaft (with lasix) might have toyed with Invasor. But yeah, He's obviously not even close to being the best horse since '80 and the collection of horses he beat is not very impressive at all.

We'll never know whether he could've run a 130 Beyer with Frankel now will we...He'll be a hell of a lot better in the shed than Ghostzapper, we all know that.

Secretariat lost 3 times as 3 year old (all those "W" races)--that is all anyone need know on this subject.

As far as Mineshaft goes, very nice horse, but he couldn't carry Spectacular Bid's jock strap (assuming he could have one).

I agree with that, I've never said he was better than Bid.

Fair enough, but you have him in the same sentence--too close for me.

There is a decent enough argument that SB was the greatest American horse of my lifetime, which is now approaching half a century. You can make decent arguments for a very few others as well. Mineshaft is not one of them. As long as we both know that, we're OK.

I agree with all of that.

did Hard Buck finish up the track in the Epsom

quitters never win
and winners never quit

but those that never win and never quit
are idiots

He ran at Ascot. Was 2nd in the Grp I King George.

Wasn't it off like a three day layoff also?

wow, sucked with beyers of 103,104,107 ?
I wonder how many horses have strung together 7 straight beyers of 114 and above. Must be pretty rare.

Maybe he meant before he came to the States

those are some good numbers he ran without lasix
not that lasix does much besides help keep them from bleeding
am I right?

I remember when McPeek was yapping about running Dream Empress in the Oaks over in the U.K.