First call to impeach Obama, depending on what he does...
 

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010...the-president/

Originally published 12:00 a.m., March 19, 2010, updated 12:35 a.m., March 19, 2010
KUHNER: Impeach the president?

Jeffrey T. Kuhner

The Democrats are assaulting the very pillars of our democracy. As the debate on Obamacare reaches the long, painful end, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is confronting a political nightmare. She may not have the 216 votes necessary to pass the Senate's health care bill in the House.

Hence, Mrs. Pelosi and her congressional Democratic allies are seriously considering using a procedural ruse to circumvent the traditional constitutional process. Led by Rep. Louise M. Slaughter, New York Democrat and chairman of the House Rules Committee, the new plan - called the "Slaughter Solution" - is not to pass the Senate version on an up-or-down vote. Rather, it is to have the House "deem" that the legislation was passed and then have members vote directly on a series of "sidecar" amendments to fix the things it does not like.

Mr Kuhner is my hero. At least some one has woken up and noticed what a rotten to the core SOB this moron of a President that this country has.

time till riot tells you the sky is blue.. 5,4,3,2...:rolleyes:

so one administration endorsed kidnapping, torture, and domestic spying.

while the other might sign a law passed using a house rule more often invoked by republicans than democrats in the past.

guess which one supposed small govenment conservatives think should be impeached?

conservatives are fun. everything is put in the most extreme language possible and no sense of proportion is tolerated.

i think we could actually see their heads explode in anger soon. wheee!

:tro: Excellent points!

An Ass-clown!

Too bad water boarding is not torture, despite Mr. Obama's opinion. Where was there kidnapping? That's a new one. If by domestic spying, you mean NSA listening in on terrorists calling operatives within this country, that's quite a stretch.

Where was the sense of proportion shown by Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, Al Gore "HE BETRAYED THIS COUNTRY! HE PLAYED ON OUR FEARS!!!"...remember any of that?

It's the liberals that are the buffoons. They're the ones who can't build anything, but always try to take over what someone else achieved. Want an example? Pick any of the major cities in this country run by Democrats. They're all dying. Detroit, Philly, New York -- hell...forget cities...how about the whole state of California.

Your worst nightmare is that the sleeping dragon has woken up to how empty and counterproductive to progress liberalism really is.

Ok, let's try putting a bag over your mellon and pouring water down your pie hole and will see what you think then! Anyone who doesn't think water boarding is torture is beyond an IDIOT!:mad: In terms of kidnapping, some would say snatching people up and tossing them in a freakin cell for years without evidence or justification could be called kidnapping! Wake up and smell what your shoveling!

Wow, that was the most educated and well-reasoned counter argument I've ever heard from a liberal.

I am half kidding.

Thanks, I think lol. You fired me Joey, what can I say those kind of arguments get under my skin.

By the way, this is torture...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_o...n_of_Singapore

Kempetai

They are Japanese military officers who took over the local police’s control. Their duty was to seek out for anti-Japanese. They recruit spies from the community and reward them for giving information. Suspects captured were often kept in the small cells then mercilessly tortured for information even if they are innocent.

Methods of torture that they used:

1) Water torture- The water was forced down the throat of the person using a hose until the stomach bloats. Then they would use any kind of way to get the water out. For instance, they would use a stick to hit the stomach or jump on the person. The person not only suffers pain but also have their health affected for a lifetime.

2) Electric shocks- The person is tied up and electrocuted. This will continue until the person confesses or passes out. Then they will use water to revive him or her. Some are so bad that it affected their health for life.

3) Sun –Bathing- Suspects (Men, women and children alike) were made to kneel long hours in the sun. Due to long exposure in the sun, they will see their skin start to peel.

4) Whipping- This is one of their favorite ways of torture. They will tie then whip the suspect. Because the suspect is unable to move, he or she can only howl in pain. The suspect will have scars left due to the whipping.

5) Boiling- The person is put in a pot to be “cooked”. They would boil the water gradually first then wait for confession. If the suspect confesses, all torture would end. If he passes out, they will revive him. Then boil him again until he confesses or dies.

6) Tearing the nails- They would tear the nails of the suspect out. Torture would stop when all ten nails of the suspect is torn out.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_torture_used_in_the_Japanese_occupation_o f_Singapore"

wow. bin laden and crew flew planes into the WTC, Pentegon, and our great country gets to have people like you, who I guess get their panties in a bunch over the rights of terrorists. Why do you care so much about people who want to blow themselves up to kill you and any innocent non-muslim civilian? The only thing you should care about is stopping the terrorists so they dont have the chance to blow you up.

because either we live under the rule of law or we don't.

did the constitution not survive 9/11? was it a casualty too?

you don't want to give someone the power to pick and choose the times that we have rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding


Vietnam War

Waterboarding was designated as illegal by U.S. generals in the Vietnam War.[109] On January 21, 1968, The Washington Post published a controversial front-page photograph of two U.S soldiers and one South Vietnamese soldier participating in the waterboarding of a North Vietnamese POW near Da Nang.[110] The article described the practice as "fairly common".[110] The photograph led to the soldier being court-martialled by a U.S. military court within one month of its publication, and he was discharged from the army.[109][111] Another waterboarding photograph of the same scene, referred to as "water torture" in the caption, is also exhibited in the War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh City.[112]

and...

U.S. government officials have at various times said they do not believe waterboarding to be a form of torture.[13][14][15][16] To justify its use of waterboarding, the administration of George W. Bush issued classified legal opinions that argued for a narrow definition of torture under U.S. law, including the Bybee memo, which it later withdrew.[17][18][19]

and...

Subsequently, the U.S. government released a memorandum written in 2002 by the Office of Legal Counsel that came to the conclusion that waterboarding did not constitute torture and could be used to interrogate subjects. The OLC reasoned that "in order for pain or suffering to rise to the level of torture, the statute requires that it be severe" and that waterboarding did not cause severe pain or suffering either physically or mentally.[47]
For over three years during the George W. Bush administration, the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility conducted an investigation into the propriety of this and other memos by the Justice Department on waterboarding and other "enhanced" interrogation techniques.[48] The OPR report findings were that former Deputy AAG John Yoo committed intentional professional misconduct and that former AAG Jay Bybee committed professional misconduct. These findings were dismissed in a memo from Associate Deputy Attorney General David Margolis who found that Yoo showed "poor judgment" but did not violate ethical standards.[49][50] Commentators have noted that the memos omitted key relevant precedents, including a Texas precedent under then-Governor George W. Bush when the state convicted and sentenced to prison for 10 years a county sheriff for waterboarding a criminal suspect.[51] Then Governor Bush did not issue a pardon for the sheriff.[51]

"because either we live under the rule of law or we don't."

Do you acknowledge that your simplistic logic will lead to the destruction of this country?

The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

Laws themselves are used within a civilized society to govern and ensure justice. They do not apply to what is done to defend that society from those who would destroy it.

You cannot give terrorists and the enemies of the country the same rights as its citizens. The Constitution only applies to citizens -- that much is very clear.

The first amendment means that an American has the right to flush a copy of the Koran down the toilet if he so wishes. Or the Bible. Or the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Would you like to test that? I dare you. There will be a "fotwa" on your head in minutes of the story airing. Or try drawing a notional political cartoon of their Prophet Mohommed. Interestingly, it wouldn't matter if the cartoon is "pro" or "con" -- you'd be executed in either case.

Yet you want to play "patty cake" with these guys. How would you solve the ultimate puzzle:

"There is a nuclear bomb rigged to go off below an American city. A captured Al Qaeda operative has been confirmed to know where it is, when it will go off, and how it's going to be triggered."

What do you do? Do you read him "his rights" even though he is not a citizen and is an enemy of the country, and allow millions of Americans to die? How about if the nuke is in your home town, threatens your wife, your kids?

Don't give me the weasel answer and change the subject. Tell me -- "WHAT DO YOU DO??" I want to know.

it's pretty amusing that conservatives can hold in the same head the idea that signing a law is now an impeachable offense but a president authorizing tortue, kidnapping and domestic surveillance isn't.

me: how do you do that?
angry conservative: you must love terrorists.
me: huh?
angry conservative: you hate this country and want the terrorists to win.
me: what are you talking about?
angry conservative: you're a despicable low life scumbag piece of dirt incapable of thinking for yourself. you hate america. you're a cretineous terroist loving dupe of the msm!
me: i'm outta here...
angry conservative: what? i'm only trying to have a dialog.

I guess this is the big difference... I dont consider foreign terrorists to be part of "we".

omg dude. you watch too much jack bauer.

why does every conversation about torture devolve into a bad 24 plot?

was there a nuclear bomb under an american city? did i miss that?

lol, outside of Nascar, that is not how it goes.

And I hate the Patriot act (who the current President is also guilty keeping the Patriot Act going). But I do believe we should profile Muslims. And I dont find waterboarding foreign terrorists who could have knowledge of other attacks to be a big deal, I would actually hope we would go all Jack Bauer on Al Queda & the Taliban.

As I thought, you cannot answer the question.

This scenario is hypothetical today, and I hope it never does actually happen of course.

However, with terrorists trying like hell to get nukes, Iran developing them, North Korea already having them and, along with Russia, needing money, the question is how long until this scenario becomes real. Substitute any other weapon you'd like... how about another toxic gas subway attack like they had in Japan a few years ago?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_g...e_Tokyo_subway

I'll interpret your answer, until you come up with another one, that you choose to "Hope" it doesn't happen, because you'll have to "Change" your point of view.

Is that the best you can come up with?

your defense of torture wound up being something you watched on a prime time drama as opposed to, i don't know, a fact?

i wondered how you can read something like what you originally posted and not lol at how fevered and over the top it was. now i know.

does everyone on the right live in an alternate universe these days? conservoworld where nuclear armed terrorists conspire with liberal dupes and the msm to bring down the country they all hate? meanwhile a secret muslim non-citizen president destroys capitalism and freedom...

New York is dying? Really? I was up there a couple of weekends ago. Seemed pretty alive to me.

Please tell me what you mean when you say that New York City is "dying".

This should be interesting.

And isn't the "Mayor" of California a Republican?

thats what he ran as......

He's a terrorist!

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I nominate the latter for least self-aware post of 2010.

It's about 15 lengths in front at the quarter pole...even though we're only in March.

Hate to burst your bubble but every administration has endorsed kidnapping and torture. We have on occasion in our history knocked off the leaders of other countries as well. I would love to hear just one of the lefties say that while they back the bill or healthcare reform in general they are troubled by the tactics that are being used. Just one...

Not taking sides or anything but just want to point out NYC hasn't had a dem mayor in 16 years.

fair enough. you aren't posting ridiculous links suggesting it's an impeachable offense.

it would be better if there were an up and down vote. which there still might be.

but i can't honestly say i'll be "troubled" if there isn't. i don't want to burst your bubble but democrats didn't invent hardball.

impeachment is a waste of time.

What is happening in Washington with this bill isnt hardball. It is a knuckleball in the dirt.

Come on.....you're better than that. If this comment came from some of the other conservatives on here (who spout bigotry on a regular basis) I would just let it go without comment, but I have to believe that you aren't quite one of them.
Are you really saying it should be the standard operating procedure of this country to systematically treat people of one faith differently from people of all other faiths?

....after the catcher was setting up dead red down the middle.......

NO LETS SHAKE DOWN THE 72 YR OLD GRANDMA AT THE AIRPORT AND LET THE PROFILE GUYS WALK RIGHT BY..IVE SEEN IT..

Oh the huge manatee.

The case of jihad jane should tell you that you can't judge a book by its cover. This is why everyone should have to go thru full body scanners so that no one is missed and everyone is checked.

I think they should profile liberal white apologists and give them deep anal cavity searches. Maybe they'll stfu after the pain subsides.

California is run by a Republican governor, and seeing as how I live in California, it's falling apart in almost every way.

Most notably, the university system in California has gone into shambles because of Arnold.

His insane policies of giving furlough days to state workers wasn't exactly bright either. I hate this governor and look forward to the day a Democrat leads this state again.

I wouldn't go that far!

Another revealing thread in the political room......where posters remove all doubt.

Stop posting facts