Watched Flower Alley work this morning
 

Just got back from the workouts and Flower Alley went this morning. We got him going 5f in 1:00:3 breezing right after the break. Some may have timed him in 6f as he had a very strong run up to the 5f pole. Angel was aboard.

Silver Wagon had the work of the morning going 5f about two minutes before Flower Alley did in 1:00 flat breezing, jock never asked him at all.

Bluegrass Cat's workout yesterday was the work of the meet, even better than Bernadini's work last week. Bluegrass Cat went 5 and galloped out 6 in 1:13 with incredible internal fractions accomplished with total ease. The lightbulb apparently has come on for good in this horse's head and hes gonna give Bernadini every bit he can handle on Saturday. Hes ready.

Thanks for the report Oracle. Good to see that Flower Alley is at least working well. I think the works tell so much about a horse (especially when you get to see them live). Any info on how the horses looked after their works?

but Oracle remember Lava Man will crush Flower Alley when they run:o :p

Everyone looked fine. Flower has never been one to work super fast so the workout was in line with a maintenance breeze. He should work once more in about a week for the Woodward. I will let you know how that goes.

Bluegrass Cat's work was mindblowing.

Thanks again Oracle. I am still on the Flower Alley bandwagon for at least one more race.

maybe flower alleys problem is that FA suddenly means fat a$$, and it's slowing him down....

ok, before you fans jump on me, it's a joke!

oh, and good to hear about bluegrass cat. i'm hoping for quite a show, with no excuses!!

This colt isn't in the same ballpark of talent with Bernardini....He may be on his gae right now, but he is running to complete the exacta in the Travers, which is no disgrace....believe me, many of the top horses from the past decade would be running for the same thing if they were up against this monster....Wonder what the straight EX will pay?...probably a little under $10..

I agree, Joel. I'll have a knot in my stomach before the race, but I am enormously confident in Bernardini. This isn't a knock against BC but Bernardini is special and I think he will prove it again. I just love that he can adapt to any pace scenario and any track condition. I almost wish Javier would send him to the lead and let the others try to play catch up........they'd never be able to. However, at 1 1/4, I don't think that's a good idea.

I'm incredibly confident in him too. He wins by open lengths here in this spot while showing what he is all about. His only opponent is going to be the clock. There won't be much of a race other than that.

Do you own Bernardini or are you just a little crazy?

bernardini looked good, but so did bluegrass cat. both have been doing well this year. hard for me to choose one over the other. let them decide, we sure won't!!

you really think he's run enough times to show you he can adapt to differing pace and conditions?

bluegrass has an edge right now in my book, he's run 10f and longer this year, bernardini hasn't gone longer than in the preakness. it's interesting to me that this late in the year, a supposed hoy contender hasn't even run at the 'classic' distance yet. of course with his pedigree, you'd expect it not to be a problem...but then again he has no idea who his daddy is!

i've seen a lot of horses over the years, including a lot who tantalized so many fans only to fall far short of hype and expectations. i hope he's genuine...but i don't have as much confidence as some here seem to.

bring on the travers!

and i just read Bright One is out of the travers, he's ill. they hope to go to the super derby instead.

I'll choose not to take your post as an insult even though you did mean it that way. Give me a break. I really don't care if you think I'm biased or not. I have supreme confidence in Bernardini and he will prove it. I think it's rather disturbing that if one expresses faith in Bernardini, he or she is shot down as being completely biased. Yet, if someone else expresses that same faith in Bluegrass Cat, he or she is not attacked. I can smell the hypocrisy a mile away. Either way, whatever. The Travers will be here soon enough; some people will be eating crow and some will be crowing about the results.

If I even attempt to answer your question, I'm going to be attacked as being a Bernardini lover........nonetheless, IMO, yes. Bernardini has proven he can run from off the pace or win on the lead; he's shown he can win on sloppy conditions..........which is not a given for good horses. Some good horses never lifted their hooves in the mud. This is all I have to say about Bernardini for now because I don't feel like being attacked.

Bluegrass Cat has an edge? :eek: ...Wow, what a statement. Bernardini won a CLASSIC in a run-away in just his 4th start....I seriously doubt the extra sixteenth of a mile will bother this horse at all.

I am actually a Bluegrass Cat fan...I used him well in the Derby and hit nicely with him in the EX spot at 35-1...I loved him in the Belmont but he had a bad trip and that is probably what cost him from winning that race over Jazil IMO....BUT, he is not in the sae ballpark as Bernardini...he just isn't...

...he'll run his 4 on the sheets like usual and Bernardini will run around a scratch performance and dust him....he's just in another league - like Tiger right now on the PGA Tour..not that Vijay or Phil or any of those guys suck, but Tiger is simply in another talent galaxy from those guys, ad that is how I feel about Bernardini....

All I know is that I would rather have Todd Pletcher in my corner on Saturday than anyone else. Apparently ole Tommy boy's meet isn't going so well. Guy has all that valuabel anbd expensive horseflesh in his barn and after 4 weeks he still sadly only has one win. I know you all couldnt wait to jump ugly on me after i ridiculed his job with Songster. Appears I know more as usual. one win in 4 weeks, geez thats just swell.

Sure, Todd is probably a better trainer...no arguement there. But, a great horse is dangerous in any man's hands.....Just look at guys like Leroy Jolley and Bill Turner, etc....those guys couldn't win a one-horse race these days, but did fine when they had steam boats in there barns...

I expected a better argument Joel from all those just dying for him to win a race since I jumped all over him for a LOUSY job with Songster. Alas, he hasnt won a race since then. And please, with all the Sheikh horses I really don't wanna hear about his stock or lack of it. Fact is if you have to bet he or Todd on Saturday, well, you make the call. I know my money goes on the most competent trainer who always tries hard, Todd Pletcher.

well mike do you really want to call out tom...i think dini is the best horse in training right now..he gonna school all on travers day ..ill leave this board for ever if he doesent win sat.. and you need too take care of some loose end or there is gonna be a problem...simons guy is pissed

Who cares how he's done for the last month? I care how he's doing for the year. For the year, he's winning at a 20% clip. That's the only thing that matters.

With a baseball player(a pitcher), does it matter if he starts the year 6-1? Does it matter if he wins his last 4 starts of the year? If the pitcher's record is 22-8 at the end of the year, that means he had a good year. It doesn't matter how he did at the beginning, the middle, or the end. His overall record tells you more than any short stretch. You know that, so why do you bring up these silly, short-term stats.

I think that Bernadini is a great horse, I saw his work the other day and he looked marvelous. That being said, I don't like the way Albertrani's horses are running up here at all. hes got stock, so whats the deal? Whos fault is it Hooves? Obviously on talent bernadini has the edge, but better trainers have beaten better horses before and Cat's workout was great the other day, better than Dini's. I'm thinking its a stretch duel that goes to Cat.

Fine, then hes in a slump, do you not go against guys in a slump as a rule???

[quote=oracle80]I think that Bernadini is a great horse, I saw his work the other day and he looked marvelous. That being said, I don't like the way Albertrani's horses are running up here at all. hes got stock, so whats the deal? Whos fault is it Hooves? Obviously on talent bernadini has the edge, but better trainers have beaten better horses before and Cat's workout was great the other day, better than Dini's. I'm thinking its a stretch duel that goes to Cat.[/QUOTE...there wont be one ..how can you compare the two..has never put two good runs together..check mate dini....

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That true Hooves he hasnt. But a guy I respect whos trained a few Storm cats told me the problem with training them is two fold. Number one they are unsound as a rule, many of them offset just like Daddy. Number two, many of them are just real hot blooded and mental cases, it takes a while for many of them to figure things out, a long while.
The problem is that number one often prevents number two from happening. In other words most of em break down and are finished before the lightbulb comes on over their heads and they figure out what it is that they are supposed to be doing. This one appears to have figured out the game and is still sound. I respect very much the opinion of the guy who told me this and it makes a lotta sense if you think about examples you may have seen.

I wouldn't even call it a slump. I would call it a short-term fluctuation. Sure he is only 1 for 16, but he has five 2nd place finishes and a few 3rd place finishes. He's a 20% trainer, so you would expect him to have 3 wins from his 16 starts. He only has 1 win, so he has 2 less wins than he should. That's not really a big deal. That kind of thing happens all the time. A 20% trainer will not win with 2 out of every 10 starters in the short-run. there will be all kinds of fluctautions. He may win 4 out of 10 and then go 0 for his next 10. But in the long-run he will win 20% which is 2 out of 10.

If I flip a coin right now 100 times, it would not be surprising if there are periods where heads comes up 4 times in a row. That would not be unusual. The only thing that would be unusual would be if one side came much more than the other side over time. If I flipped the coin 1000 times and heads came up 600 times, you would know that there is something wrong with the coin.

But if I flipped a coin only 10 times and one side came up 7 times, I wouldn't assume that there was anything wrong with the coin. I would just assume that it was a short-term fluctuation

Did you factor in todays losses as well?

No, I didn't. I guess that means he's 1 for 18. If it gets much worse than this, I would have to agree with you that he may be in a little slump.

I already knew that you hadn't. I've been keeping track and knew what he was already.

I wouldn't bank on the in a slump theory....even Desmoreax wins one occasionally.

LOL. And Mike Smith is in the Hall of Fame for that matter....

So basically your saying Bernardini is the best horse that ever lived. Terrible comparison with Tiger. The breeding side means more than the performance, thats pretty clear. Lava Man could never live up to some people's expectations because he choose the wrong parents. A claimer. Get off the breeding, get on the performance. The horse has much more to prove on that end. And I for one hope he does. And then I hope he is sterile so we can continue to see him on the track.

I guess I would be in some trouble if I rendered him incapable. But the people who love watching horses run would annoint me Pope.

Actually if you had enough people flip coins 1000 times, you would absolutely expect to have some people get heads 600 times. For all you stat people, the Chi-squared test gives exact numbers of this probablility.

Cmon I know there is a female out there that knows this stuff. I hope she reads this and does the math. Then we need to talk.

Unfortunately, pgardn, I'm already married. ;)

Remember when Corinthian ran by First Samurai down in Florida like he was standing still and everyone thought he was a machine?

Same ****, different time of the year.......

So am I. I dont want any opposite gender talk. I want math talk woman. Im gelded and whupped every other way.

I love tote boards. Thats all I will say. I love em. Do tote boards turn you on?

You can answer that tomorrow, to bed for me. I gotta figure out the damn derivative by limit proof again early tomorrow. I always make some stupid mistake and I cant have these brilliant little 17 and 18 year olds catch me every darn year. The heavy math I dont need for physics. The power rule and U substitution is really all I need from calculus. And integration of course,but that will come in time.

Holy shiat... it is way too late (or early depending upon where you are) for that kind of math talk...

Let's stick to the opposite gender talk. :eek:

Some of you wouldn't know a great horse if he slapped you in the face, and he basically has and will again this weekend. The extra 1/16th of a mile is not going to make one bit of a difference with this horse. He was running incredibly strong at the end of the Preakness. No one was going to catch him because he is simply just too fast. I am willing to say that he probably is the best horse in the world right now, and will have his coming out party in November.