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Lava Man Is The NUTS
 

No doubt about it. What else do you want from this guy? Can he go BC Classic? Or is that too much to ask? Very impressive.

and thank goodness he hasn't got any, so he can come out and play for a while yet.

once Lava Man gets to the East Coast on a real racetrack against some real Grade 1 horses he will run up the track

So Perfect Drift isn't a real G1 horse?

I don't think so...He beat Perfect Drift quite easily and Perfect Drift is considered a top East Coast horse. I think that Invasor and Bernardini are the only two that can beat him because he is in a lot better form than he was last year. He is like a fine wine...gets better as he ages. I'm not going to knock him because the horse is all heart and has had, by far, the toughest campaign of the year so far. He is the goods, and it seems that all he knows how to do is win.

No hes not.

Slowest Pac Classic ever. Ho hum.

In what word of insanity is PD considered a top East Coast horse? Fantasyland?

Dude, Good Reward was 1 win in 7 dirt starts prior to this race with no 2nds or 3rds either. Are we really supposed to jump up and down because he beat Good Reward in the slowest running ever on a track that has been playing very fast? The emperors new clothes come off if he ever comes East. BUt I doubt that will happen, some excuse will come up.

and in lava mans defense, the track has been playing slow. i'm sure they've been tinkering with it due to the breakdowns, made it deeper....

but the drift a top horse? no. 2nd tier, makes money, but he's not the cream...

Of course he is not a real G1 horse he hasn't won in 14 months and is obviously in his worst year out of the past couple by not even posting a beyer over 100 so far this season.

Perfect Drift didnt run his race. Gee i wonder what happened to Lava Man at Belmont when he went over. You people gotta put this in perspective with Lava Man and his "Grade 1" wins

yeah Ann is here a question, are you completely insane? he beats a horse like Good Reward(prior record on dirt was 7-1-0-0, LOL!!!) and you want us to really think that makes him the goods? Geez, pardon me for being realistic, but if he ever comes east, I can assure you that he will be facing much harder than Good Reward.

Gauchos, don't try using common sense with someone who thinks that races are decided by who the horse is sired by. Or with someone who thinks Perfect Drift is a CURRENT grade one horse.

I thought he made a nice move at the 3/8 pole. Yes, it was slow.
Good ride. Nice that he left enough in the tank. Good Reward was coming.
This race was all about smart and stupid jockeys. I see this kind of race more often on the grass than this one.
Anyway, good for Lava Man and his connections.
We'll see....

Lava Man is another cheap socal handicap horse, who wont do crap when in a race with real quality horses from back east. People get duped by these high priced California claimers who win Grade 1's. Last true Grade 1 horse from socal had to be Candy Ride, and Mizzen Mast. Even now im beginning to wonder about Rock Hard Ten's quality

You mean the Rock Hard Ten who never won a race outside of California?

i really wish you naysayers would quit peeing in lava mans wheaties. what the hell more does this guy have to do? like it's HIS fault his trainer/owner are west coast people. he hasn't taken a step wrong all year. why hold against him what MAY happen when he comes east! why can't you just give him a bit of a hand for winning all year? against anyone who showed? and he just accomplished in one year what it took best pal to do in three, something that's never been done....but oh, no! we have to hear speculation about what will happen when he comes east. gimme a break.

here's to the BEST horse in the west. i'll hold off judgement on his east coast ability when he actually comes over here in a few months, and shows if he can or not. til then, who knows?! um, no one does.

I looked at the maiden race purses today at Del Mar $71,000 in 2 races and $68,000 in another. The money out west must not be the same. I still say that if the horses out west were so easy everybody would ship in and take it. LAVA MAN wins another MILLION Dallor race that was open to all willing to try.

I piss on the older division this year. It's absolutely horrible.

Sour grapes

Lava Man is a throwback to the days when horses were professional athletes ...

... who knew their business ... showed up for all the big races ... and did their jobs.

Anyone who doesn't have the highest respect for this horse ... is someone who doesn't know squat about the meaning of horse racing.

So the meaning of horse racing is betting chalk?

Lava Man wont win the BC Classic as he has not won outside So Cal.
Do you know how hard it is to transport Doug Oneil's chemistry set?

i've seen FAR worse than the likes of lava man and invasor. but you can be a hater if you want to. i think it's pretty good.

you must be a flower alley fan?

oh great...here we go again. keep slinging, maybe some mud will stick.

I'm a fan of increasing the purses of the big races to entice the owners to leave some of the real champions in the game a little longer. It's hard to get excited over a claimer and a South American champ dominating the older division.

I don't think he can win outside California but he does deserve his due. I've burnt too many tickets trying to beat him race after race. My hat is off to him.

how many races had Doug Oneill won outside of LA?? I think last time was Avanzado

PD was second in the Stephen Foster which is a Grade I. Oh yeah, Seek Gold won that race and Lava Man kicked his a s s in the Hollywood Gold Cup. I think it is funny that East Coast horses don't seem to run well and win on the West Coast yet West Coast horses are EXPECTED to run well on the East Coast if they are to be considered REAL top horses. East Coast horses always have people jumping to give them excuses when they can't win to a superior horse on the West Coast. People aren't as forgiving to West Coast horses.

Since Lava Man is so much better than he was last year, I am giving him a shot to do well on the East Coast if he comes over. Maybe not win, but do well. Bernardini is most likely going to crush them all anyway.

There are only three horses that are in the top tier of Grade I classic division races right now. They are Bernardini, Invasor, and Lava Man. I'm not even sure how good Invasor is since he could barely hold off Sun King (although Sun King seems to be improving greatly). Flower Alley would have been included in this, but I think the horse is finished.

so a horse that's run for a tag can never be considered good? can never move up, never improve?

and what about paseana, bayakoa? they aren't as good because they were imports?

i think your logic is flawed.

Zieg thats not fair. He was this good last year and came East and was just horrendous. Now look, that effort last year in the JCGC makes it absolutely fair to say ho hum until he comes east and does something different, don't you agree? Or did you forget that he came east last fall and looked like a very bad horse?

Not ready to annoint him until he wins outside of Cali. Sorry...

LAVA MAN, lets see that is 4 grade 1 wins and 4 million dollar races. Looks pretty good on paper and in the bank.

What about them? Did they get a sex change that I didn't know about?

KYroses,
If this horse ever wins in the East I will wash your ****** car. Or mow your ****** lawn. he came east last year and got slapped around like a red headed stepchild. I really see no reason why it would be different this year. And once again I say, Good Reward? He beats Good Reward and we are supposed to fall to our knees and praise him?

Did you not see his JCGC race last fall, or did you and you are trying to avoid the subject by posting the obvious(and leaving out the horrendous horses he has been beating)

and there isn't enough increasing out there...smarty was syndicated for 35 million (for example) what race purse could ever compete with that? none, anywhere. spectacular bid ran and won every race at four, actually a losing proposition for his owners, as the purse money won didn't come close to paying for his insurance premiums for that year.

i can't believe you're saying lava man isn't a real champ. that's crazy. he beat grade one winners today.

Lava Man will not run in the money in the BC Classic. Guaranteed. You can save this for later if you like.