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Scav 02-09-2010 04:01 PM

Interesting today
 
Now, I am going to preference this by saying that I know zero about politics and there is probably some reason I have no idea about this but I heard today that this is a fact.

Blue states: For every dollar contributated to the government, they get less then 1 dollar back

Red States: For every dollar contributated to the government, they get 1.25 back.

This was some guy talking about Texas starting their own country or something and he was like "Fine"

Carry on....

NTamm1215 02-09-2010 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Now, I am going to preference this by saying that I know zero about politics and there is probably some reason I have no idea about this but I heard today that this is a fact.

It's actually preface. I'm going to preface this by saying.

Now that I'm the douche that corrected your grammar, I will say that many Texans wish Polk hadn't annexed the great state back in 1845.

NT

Danzig 02-09-2010 05:45 PM

so, which is blue and which is red? i can never remember.

Riot 02-09-2010 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Now, I am going to preference this by saying that I know zero about politics and there is probably some reason I have no idea about this but I heard today that this is a fact.

Blue states: For every dollar contributated to the government, they get less then 1 dollar back

Red States: For every dollar contributated to the government, they get 1.25 back.

This was some guy talking about Texas starting their own country or something and he was like "Fine"

Carry on....

Red = Republican Blue = Democrat

Know which state is one of the highest per capita for taking free federal money?

Why, Sarah Palin's Alaska! ;)

Who used her state government (changed state law) to take money from a private corporation, and forced distribution of some of that private corp's profits to all Alaskan citizens?

Why, Sarah Palin!

MaTH716 02-10-2010 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
It's actually preface. I'm going to preface this by saying.

Now that I'm the douche that corrected your grammar, I will say that many Texans wish Polk hadn't annexed the great state back in 1845.

NT

Nick, That's signature worthy material right there my friend.

Patrick333 02-10-2010 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Red = Republican Blue = Democrat

Know which state is one of the highest per capita for taking free federal money?

Why, Sarah Palin's Alaska! ;)

Who used her state government (changed state law) to take money from a private corporation, and forced distribution of some of that private corp's profits to all Alaskan citizens?

Why, Sarah Palin!

I didn't know she owned the state. Thanks for pointing that out.:eek:

Riot 02-10-2010 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick333
I didn't know she owned the state. Thanks for pointing that out.:eek:

She pretty much did when she forced a particular oil company - via state law - to disburse part of their profits to all Alaskans. You know, those checks for a couple thousand each Alaskan gets each year?

Cannon Shell 02-10-2010 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Red = Republican Blue = Democrat

Know which state is one of the highest per capita for taking free federal money?

Why, Sarah Palin's Alaska! ;)

Who used her state government (changed state law) to take money from a private corporation, and forced distribution of some of that private corp's profits to all Alaskan citizens?

Why, Sarah Palin!

Alaska's population is the same as Louisville's. It is a meaningless stat.

And that sounds like she did pretty well for the people of the state...

dalakhani 02-10-2010 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Alaska's population is the same as Louisville's. It is a meaningless stat.

And that sounds like she did pretty well for the people of the state...

Doesnt sound too "conservative" to me though. Republicans are still conservative right?

Riot 02-10-2010 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Alaska's population is the same as Louisville's. It is a meaningless stat.

And that sounds like she did pretty well for the people of the state...

Yeah, if you are into that Socialist Communist thing of taking other people's hard-earned money, earned in their business, and disbursing it to the have-nots who have nothing to do with the business ;)

timmgirvan 02-10-2010 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
She pretty much did when she forced a particular oil company - via state law - to disburse part of their profits to all Alaskans. You know, those checks for a couple thousand each Alaskan gets each year?

For Gods' sake, they live in Alaska!...They deserve a couple of thousand per year for that alone!:p

Riot 02-10-2010 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
For Gods' sake, they live in Alaska!...They deserve a couple of thousand per year for that alone!:p

Not of my tax dollars ;)

timmgirvan 02-10-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Not of my tax dollars ;)

they're not your damn tax dollars!

Riot 02-10-2010 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
they're not your damn tax dollars!

:zz: Yes, federal dollars spent come from our income tax dollars. I'm not talking about stealing the oil company profits. That's different. I'm talking about Alaska being one of the highest per capita receivers of our federal tax dollars.

wiphan 02-10-2010 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
:zz: Yes, federal dollars spent come from our income tax dollars. I'm not talking about stealing the oil company profits. That's different. I'm talking about Alaska being one of the highest per capita receivers of our federal tax dollars.


Last I checked we live in a free country and if you want to become a resident of alaska and get all that free federal $ you are more than welcome to.

timmgirvan 02-10-2010 03:27 PM

You aren't a resident of Alaska,are you? Then you don't qualify for that "gift"

Riot 02-10-2010 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan
Last I checked we live in a free country and if you want to become a resident of alaska and get all that free federal $ you are more than welcome to.

I guess if you want to support those Communist-Marxist-AntiNative-Socialist-Liberal-leftist-free-ride-for-the-poor states, Sarah Palin's Alaska is what you want ;)

Riot 02-10-2010 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
You aren't a resident of Alaska,are you? Then you don't qualify for that "gift"

What I am saying is that we are doing the giving ;)

Danzig 02-10-2010 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
She pretty much did when she forced a particular oil company - via state law - to disburse part of their profits to all Alaskans. You know, those checks for a couple thousand each Alaskan gets each year?


hasn't that been going on for years? certainly before palin took office.

Riot 02-10-2010 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
hasn't that been going on for years? certainly before palin took office.

Sure, it's been around for a while. But Palin got a nice, big extra disbursement approved.

timmgirvan 02-10-2010 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Sure, it's been around for a while. But Palin got a nice, big extra disbursement approved.

you are a knucklehead........I mean that in the kindest sort of way!;)

Cannon Shell 02-11-2010 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Sure, it's been around for a while. But Palin got a nice, big extra disbursement approved.

It is fairly obvious that Alaska with its minute population and wealth of natural resources would ask that companies that are making tens of billions off of those resources share a tiny sliver with the citizens is completely logical . What appeals to me about the law is the people get the money directly as opposed to just straight taxes that the govt gets to chew up. But hey it Sarah Palin, so it must be a secret plot of some sort.

timmgirvan 02-11-2010 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
It is fairly obvious that Alaska with its minute population and wealth of natural resources would ask that companies that are making tens of billions off of those resources share a tiny sliver with the citizens. Only a completely partisan person like Riot or Dala would try to make this out to be a anti-business or bad thing. What appeals to me about the law is the people get the money directly as opposed to just straight taxes that the govt gets to chew up. But hey it Sarah Palin, so it must be a secret plot of some sort.

A conspiracy...yeah, that's the ticket!:eek:

Riot 02-11-2010 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
It is fairly obvious that Alaska with its minute population and wealth of natural resources would ask that companies that are making tens of billions off of those resources share a tiny sliver with the citizens is completely logical .

Yeah. If you are a Communist ;)

timmgirvan 02-11-2010 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Yeah. If you are a Communist ;)

you are a regular "Rorshach" test aren't you? Buzz words just flying around in there.....

Riot 02-11-2010 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
you are a regular "Rorshach" test aren't you? Buzz words just flying around in there.....

What do you call it when the government makes a law that says a particular private corporation has to share their profits when the general citizenry?

If Obama did this, heads would actually spin right off and roll down the right side of the aisle :D

timmgirvan 02-11-2010 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
What do you call it when the government makes a law that says a particular private corporation has to share their profits when the general citizenry?

If Obama did this, heads would actually spin right off and roll down the right side of the aisle :D

Please consider using your energy explaining to Exxon that the law was unconstitutional and should be struck down!....Oh....somebody prolly already tried that!:rolleyes:


blame it on Alaska,Riot!

Riot 02-11-2010 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Please consider using your energy explaining to Exxon that the law was unconstitutional and should be struck down!....Oh....somebody prolly already tried that!:rolleyes:


blame it on Alaska,Riot!

Alaska ... home of big socialist entitlements ;)

timmgirvan 02-11-2010 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Alaska ... home of big socialist entitlements ;)

well, granted you have the lib terminology down pat!;)

dalakhani 02-11-2010 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
It is fairly obvious that Alaska with its minute population and wealth of natural resources would ask that companies that are making tens of billions off of those resources share a tiny sliver with the citizens is completely logical . What appeals to me about the law is the people get the money directly as opposed to just straight taxes that the govt gets to chew up. But hey it Sarah Palin, so it must be a secret plot of some sort.

No secret plot. Palin knows big business like the back of her hand...wait...front of her hand.

Anyway, regardless of your attempt at spin, the idea is socialistic. Now, are you a Republican or a Conservative? Obviously, this paragraph shows that you aren't too much of a conservative.

Antitrust32 02-12-2010 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
No secret plot. Palin knows big business like the back of her hand...wait...front of her hand.
Anyway, regardless of your attempt at spin, the idea is socialistic. Now, are you a Republican or a Conservative? Obviously, this paragraph shows that you aren't too much of a conservative.

:tro:
I cant get enough of this stuff!!

Danzig 02-12-2010 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
No secret plot. Palin knows big business like the back of her hand...wait...front of her hand.
Anyway, regardless of your attempt at spin, the idea is socialistic. Now, are you a Republican or a Conservative? Obviously, this paragraph shows that you aren't too much of a conservative.

:tro:

Danzig 02-12-2010 08:35 AM

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/pipelin...ts/e_fund.html

an explanation of the alaska permanent fund. i don't quite understand tho why a dividend is paid to each citizen, but i guess it's that states business.

Riot 02-12-2010 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/pipelin...ts/e_fund.html

an explanation of the alaska permanent fund. i don't quite understand tho why a dividend is paid to each citizen, but i guess it's that states business.

"Because to each according to his need .... ;) "

Cannon Shell 02-13-2010 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
No secret plot. Palin knows big business like the back of her hand...wait...front of her hand.

Anyway, regardless of your attempt at spin, the idea is socialistic. Now, are you a Republican or a Conservative? Obviously, this paragraph shows that you aren't too much of a conservative.

This is hardly socilistic.

Almost all Alaskan oil production is on state-owned land, so the state receives revenue from four different sources: production tax, property tax, royalties and corporate tax. In 2006 alone, the state will get $3.4 billion from oil and gas. Those revenues go directly into a general fund to be used for roads, health care facilities, schools and other social services. However, at least 25 percent of all mineral royalties is deposited into the Alaska Permanent Fund, a kind of savings account for future generations of Alaskans

dalakhani 02-13-2010 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
This is hardly socilistic.

Almost all Alaskan oil production is on state-owned land, so the state receives revenue from four different sources: production tax, property tax, royalties and corporate tax. In 2006 alone, the state will get $3.4 billion from oil and gas. Those revenues go directly into a general fund to be used for roads, health care facilities, schools and other social services. However, at least 25 percent of all mineral royalties is deposited into the Alaska Permanent Fund, a kind of savings account for future generations of Alaskans

Why don't you give it up before you show yourself to be even further to the left than either me, gb or God. I know its late but read what you are typing. And if you don't understand it, you should just anyway.

Smooth Operator 02-13-2010 07:43 PM

Wow … Cannon getting his clock cleaned by these women … again…

brianwspencer 02-14-2010 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Wow … Cannon getting his clock cleaned by these women … again…


Hey, in his defense there are few times when Chuck is wrong and "gets his clock cleaned." Though, in your defense, this was most definitely one of them.

What I gathered here is that Chuck is a socialist, loves re-distribution of wealth away from corporations and to the people based around states redistributing that how they see fit (states, not the federal, god forbid!), and therefore we should really count on him for support going forward with all these Socialist things on our agenda.

ArlJim78 02-14-2010 09:41 AM

so let me get this straight; constitutionally mandating that a portion of the royalties from oil leases must be set aside and saved so that you end up with a huge rainy day fund that insulates Alaskans from the prospect of those oil revenues shrinking or disappearing some day, so large in fact that they can even pass on a percentage of the excess earnings directly to the people so they can do with it what they please, and not blowing it on billion dollar international airports for every city of 500 people, this is now what is considered socialism? holy cow, sign me up then for some of this Alaskan socialism.

The truth is this program sounds more like sound fiscal conservatism. the private oil companies make a profit, Alaska funds their general fund through the taxes, they provide for the future by saving the royalties, while sending a dividend from the royalties to the current residents (not means tested either).

dalakhani 02-14-2010 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
so let me get this straight; constitutionally mandating that a portion of the royalties from oil leases must be set aside and saved so that you end up with a huge rainy day fund that insulates Alaskans from the prospect of those oil revenues shrinking or disappearing some day, so large in fact that they can even pass on a percentage of the excess earnings directly to the people so they can do with it what they please, and not blowing it on billion dollar international airports for every city of 500 people, this is now what is considered socialism? holy cow, sign me up then for some of this Alaskan socialism.

The truth is this program sounds more like sound fiscal conservatism. the private oil companies make a profit, Alaska funds their general fund through the taxes, they provide for the future by saving the royalties, while sending a dividend from the royalties to the current residents (not means tested either).

You have collective ownership that taxes and then redistribution is one of its main purposes.

Holy cow...jeepers batman...arl jim is a socialist as well.


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