Jerry Moss just said....
 

"Rachel run in restricted races all year except once."
WTF does he think those stakes that Zenyatta was running in all year where?:confused:

He was visibly bitter during Jackson's acceptance speech - I can understand his disappointment, but if he wants to end the debate, it certainly sounded like Jackson was open to a discussion.

Moss should have seen this coming and run in the Jockey Club Gold Cup. But that might entail having to leave SoCal and running on real dirt.

All of Rachel's races were restricted to 3-year-olds, except the Woodward.

Seven of the eight races Rachel ran in, Zenyatta could not have entered. Rachel could have run in every one of the races Zenyatta ran in.

And all of Zenyatta's races where restricted to Females except for the BCC.

Apple Blossom is OUT

Flooding.

He should've said that RA ran against horrible fillies, mediocre 3yo colts, and bad older horses all year … then stayed in the barn on Championship Saturday.

did he say that?

Without saying it..Yes

Oh yeah, and Zenyatta was beating some of the best Allowance Fillies and Mares that Cali had to offer.

All of Favorite Trick's races were VERY restricted when he was beating up on horrendous competition like Dawson's Legacy and Nationalore in moderate time....

All while Skip Away ran 10 Beyers of 115 or more that year - including a 6 length win in the Breeders Cup Classic for one of his three figs of 120 or more that year.

Not to mention the spectacular Silver Charm beat incredibly high quality fields in the Derby and Preakness - and Formal Gold ran 3 of the most amazing races you'll ever see.

He said it's too early for Rachel since she hasn't had a serious workout yet.

Would not surprise me if she came up with a mysterious injury

Lol … yeah, that BCC field was just filled with "allowance fillies and mares".

Whatever. I'm just glad I don't have to listen anymore to Jerry Bailey whining about how Rachel didn't run in the Travers.

I was comparing the WHOLE YEAR...not a single race.
It was a great performance.
As was the Haskell that RA thrashed Munnings and Summer Bird.

The problem was Rachel Alexandra was too busy making racing history to try playing mere spoiler to Zenyatta's carpeted road towards an unbeaten record.

Put it this way. If they had met up in one of those races, win or lose, Zenyatta would not have run in the BC Classic.

The way I see it, Jess Jackson helped Zenyatta make racing history, too.

The nitwit HotY voters finest hour..................

:tro:

You can't be serious, VOL JACK.

Munnings is a stone-cold sprinter … and SB was coming back from a two-month layoff and spotting RA five pounds, to boot. Not to mention the fact that the Travers, not the Haskell, was his main summer objective.

That Jersey race was EASY pickins for RA.


There is absolutely NO comparison between Z's BCC and RA's Haskell, in my estimation.

Enough bickering... Let them settle it on the track this year.
In hopefully will be more that one encounter.

It could be a great rivalry on the track, just like Sunday Silence and Easy Goer.

Though I am a bigger fan of Zenyatta than RA, I must admit RA ran a more grueling campaign and met and defeated all foes. Though RA won all her races, it did seem she had to work a lot for her wins. Zenyatta on the other hand never reached her maximum effort and will be interesting to see how much more she can offer.

Wouldn't be surprised if Mr. 'Sportsman' ducks Big Mama for as long as possible … maybe even till the BC…

Well, the Breeders' Cup is the only race that matters.

Jackson said in an interview after the awards that the Apple Blossom is too soon as Rachel is not fit enough ...

So the Apple Blossom works out to be roughly a 7 month layoff--which was greatly criticised for Zenyatta last year ...

Both sides have indicated a willingness to pony up and do this meeting, but there are rumors that Rachel may not quite be Rachel as yet, or maybe more ...

Rumors can be just that or something else again ...

So does Moss try to stick it to Jackson's stallion and go for the earnings mark with Zenyatta in Dubai?

No, that would be terrible for all sides and for racing fans in general.

We do not want to see Zenyatta knocked out for the rest of the year, and if she goes to Dubai, we may never see her until fall. Why not just stay in the US and prove Zenyatta can win the big dirt races on the east? That's a more worthwhile goal that will make fans happy.

Not according to 130 nitwits

People are REALLY overrating the BCC field this past year.

It was filled with top flight horses--for dirt. And it had another top flight horse--for grass. But for plastic? No one can reasonably say it was a great field for that surface.

I think think this vote was in some part a vote against plastic campaigns. Zenyatta is a great horse, but Moss has no one but himself to blame for staging an all plastic campaign in 2009. If he had won one major race on dirt, he might have had a different result, IMO.

Uh-oh … Asmussen probably has the lab boys working round-the-clock on some new 'vitamins'................. lol

Zenyatta's 7 month layoff was in one year. RA's layoff, if it will be that long, will be spread over two years. Big difference if the issue is Horse of the Year.

Sheriffs keeps his stash hidden under his hat.

Uh, tector, did you watch those two Euros destroy Curlin in the '08 BCC.

They clearly had no problem with the "plastic".

Did you see how the Euros fared against Big Mama last year?

The Plastic Mama sure showed them, as did turf champion Gio Ponti.

09 "Euros" are just the same as 08 "Euros" because...you say so? You can't even bother to name them. Euros just equal Euros to you--brilliant. What deep thinking.

Horses are individuals. You have no idea how the 09 Euros would run on plastic without seeing them do it.

What a dopey, simplistic "argument".

I am not sure I get this ...

If Rachel is off from Sept 09 until April or later that is seven months over two years ??

If Zenyatta was off from the BCC of 08-Nov--May 09 roughly aren't they the same ???

Does HOY give you a pass to a longer layoff ??? Really ???

It didn't by a longshot for the other Jackson HOY Curlin ...

And PS: did anybody say the 2008 BCC field was great for that surface? I must have missed that....