Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey murder
 

When this little girl was found beaten and murdered in the basement of her wealthy parents home 10 years ago, there was a lot of finger pointing and accusations against her parents. Patsy Ramsey passed away a short time ago, still under a cloud of suspicion. Today, an arrest was made in Thailand of a 41 year old teacher, he was being held on unrelated sex charges at the time. It is unclear what role he played in JonBenet's murder but apparently the Bolder Colorado DA has been working the angle for some time and the family was aware of it. Hopefully this case will now be solved, justice for a little girl and the cloud of accusations removed from the family. Time will tell of course, but if so...we owe Pat Ramsey a debt that can never be paid...once again, you are suppose to be innocent in this nation until proven guilty, maybe someday folks will learn that!

Take your time before drawing any conclusions on this case.

There was some sort of prior relationship between the Ramseys and the suspect ... all very murky right now ... but wait until it gets sorted out.

Oh I agree...hopefully this time everybody will allow the evidence to be presented and the accused to have his day in court.

guy confessed to drugging, raping, and then killing (acident)
seems odd when his ex-wife was going to give him an alibi
10 years to solve the thing, guess better late than never
I didn't think any parents could do that to their child
but they did do some things that could be construed as suspicios
during the first part of the investigative process

Sick Bird, aint he?
Looks like he likes men and likes them a lot.
Poor little dear girl and her Mom, may they both rest in peace.

Karr gives me the "creeps". This is very bizarre stuff.
And...as Tracie, the professor that he e-mailed said, "When we see criminal activity as entertainment, it says a lot about us all."
The Ramsey familiy has indeed gone through hell.
RIP Pat and Jon Benet. Justice takes time, but the truth will out.

Dude's neck looks like a twig.

He better hope they keep him in solitary confinement if he ends up in the big house over this....

I think he'll like being with da boyz in the cell. Betcha hes been there before if ya know what i mean :cool:

Homosexuality and pedophilia are two ENTIRELY different things, and if I may point out, it wasn't a little boy they arrested him over. If he were attracted to men, he wouldn't be in this jam.

Thanks for letting me know that, I was pretty sure they were the same thing.
I betcha this guy swings from both slides of the plate. Sick bird.

This is the truth.

Gander, psychiatry stopped considering homosexuality a mental illness in the early 1970's.

Pederasts and pedophiles are sexually attracted to kids. Repeat. Sexually attracted to kids. Homosexuals are attracted to adults of the same sex as they. Repeat. Attracted to adults. Huge difference.

Fun (I say that sarcastically) fact to know and tell-- the majority of the instances of priests molesting kids are male priests molesting girls. But that doesn't get the same amount of press as the small number of male priests molesting boys.

I have no problem with guys who like to putt from the rough. Thats their life. I still think this guy is a flaming homo who needs lots of help and some food. He looks mighty thin & pekid.

Flaming.

Yep, here we go again! This guy is gonna get the same treatment the Ramsey's got, people learn nothing! He may be a sick bird, certainly he's hard to like based on available information...all the more important he gets a fair trial and folks wait until after he's judged by the legal system to draw conclusions! Our legal system is NOT a popularity contest...if we don't hold true to the rule of law we are no longer a civilized society!

Somer, I apologize if you thought I was convicting him without a trial-- I actually thought Mr. Ramsey was pretty classy with what he said about not doing this guy like the Ramseys were done-- I was trying to clarify that pedophiles are not the same thing as homosexuals and implying they are is untrue and unfair to homosexuals. Since Gander is still referring to him as a "flaming homo" despite the fact the man was married at one time in his life and has not, to anything I've read, ever been involved with adult males, clearly my arguments are falling on deaf ears. :)

Yes, you are right. Innocent until proven guilty.

My post wasn't directed towards you, Genuine Risk...there has been a lot of crap posted here and at ESPN about this, of course in the case of ESPN...I have to consider the source!

The only problem is the guy seems more than willing to take the blame (which is not to say he did it, but if he didn't he apparently wishes he had). It's pretty hard to say it's just like how the Ramsey's got treated.

In both cases, folks jump to conclusions without hearing the facts! I agree this guy wants to take the rap...whether that's due to guilt feelings, psychosis or attention-seeking only a jury can sort out! He's hard to like, everybody is gonna want him to be guilty...that makes it absolutely necessary that he gets a fair trial!

Somer,
Now that's something I totally agree with you on.
This guy gives me the creeps, but he's entitled to the same system of justice as all of us are.
He might be a "grandstander"...I don't know.
He might be a pedophile...again, I don't know.
Does he deserve a "fair trial"? That I do know.
Give him a fair trial, and let the jury decide.
I'm all in favor of justice.

btw...I agree with GR. There is a very big difference between homosexuality and pedophiles. Both are outside "acceptable behavior" by many in our society. Gay people don't usually murder children. I don't know why others are so threatened by them. They should be allowed to find whatever they want with consenting adults.
Pedophiles are repugnant...whether with little boys or little girls.

You guys are taking my tongue in cheek humor too seriously. You really should lighten up. First and foremost I feel terrible for what this poor family has been and is still going through. Secondily I have nothing against gay people. I have a couple of friends who like to play pattycake with the same sex, dont bother me at all. Third, I was seriously appalled by the guy's photo. He looks like a psycopath and I hope the truth comes out. What the hell is he doing living in Thailand anyways and writing letters to the family? Surely a guy his age can find better things to do with his time.

"Lighten up Francis"

Thanks for clearing up your opinion, Gander.
I just wanted to say that whether a six-year-old, male or female, was murdered ten years ago, a hundred years ago, or yesterday...it touches a nerve with me. I DO take that very seriously.
The Ramsey family has been put through horrible accusations.

Gay people don't operate from the same places as pedophiles.
I don't understand a lot about "gay" people, but that's not for me to judge.
Pedophiles...they are the worst forms of wasted oxygen. The damage they cause to others is beyond my ability to find a word suitable to express my disdain.

As far as "What was he doing in Thailand?"...I don't know ...but I'm sure it will come out at trial.
The Boulder prosecutor was very cagey today. She has the case of her life in front of her, and she didn't want to say anything to jeopordize it.
I have every confidence that the truth will be brought forth. We just have to allow the justice system to prove it.
Even if Karr is found innocent, he'll never live a "normal life" again.

DTS (Francis...aka. "saint")

something is rotten in the state of denmark....

i think this confession may end up falling under the heading of 'too good to be true'...i'm thinking more and more, as more comes out, that this guy is not quite toting a full load, and that this confession is false. dna testing should go a long way towards answering the question of whether he's really involved. this is far from over.

Have to agree I think maybe this guy either *thinks* he did it (i.e. has convinced/dellusioned himself) or wishes he had. He's certainly guilty of something, but I'll be really interested in this now because there are a lot of things that don't jibe.

Thanks from me, too, for the clarification, Gander. You'd be amazed at the large number of people who do think gays and pedophiles are synonymous so I'm afraid my tongue-in-cheek radar wasn't turned on at that point yesterday. :)

Here's a pretty good NYTimes article on the guy and the case:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/18/us...rtner=homepage

I work in advertising. I am surrounded by people who prefer the same sex and believe me, they are harmless. While I can not figure out what would posess a man to find men more attractive than women, its their choice and it doesnt make them any more inclined to committ haneous crimes.

This is just an awful thing and I hope it gets put to bed one way or another.

That's the trouble with how these cases are handled by the media, in their blood-lust to scoop everybody, they print all sorts of mis-information calling it "news". The officials in Thailand have changed their statements a couple times...hardly surprising! Some poor guy not use to being swarmed by the media gets a dozen microphones thrust in his face and god knows what comes out his mouth! Time folks...this will take time! The evidence will be presented and a jury (assuming it goes to trial) will decide. In the meantime, all this speculation is just that...every network has a never-ending parade of "experts" giving their opinions...all crap! I don't care how much experience, education etc someone has, they can't make informed comments without accurate and complete information! There is a lot we obviously don't know...details he allegedly knew that were never made public etc etc. The guy could be anything...obviously he has a troubled past. His wife says he was with her at the time but can't recall even where they were...lots of conflicting information...all thrust on us as "facts"! Whatever happened to verifying sources and responsible journalism?

I can't answer that question but I suppose it's like this...I might find a lady very attractive while you may think she's not; why do some men go for fat women, others have to have a beanpole figured girl? If beauty is in the eye of the beholder then I suppose that implies that different folks find different physical attributes attractive, so it follows that some folks find members of the same sex desirable. I think the only thing that is important is love...if you love someone, what else really matters? We are conditioned from birth to find members of the opposite sex attractive and certainly to continue the species, this has been necessary...but is it some sort of cosmic mandate? I don't know but I doubt it!

Somer-

Are there such things as gay animals? Like a horse for instance? Or a chipmunk.


"Are there any homos out there? No? Goooood, lets talk about them."
Eddie Murphy, from a skit of his in the 80''s

Homosexuality has been noted in a number of species...generally more likely to occur in species close on the evolutionary scale to man (ie: the great apes), however it has been noted by researchers in dolphins, penguins, American bison, cattle, and sheep (bad news for Papa).

Homosexuality is quite common in the animal kingdom (and more so in the wild than in zoos, though why I have no idea). I think it's just another example of "biological exuberance," to borrow the title of the textbook on homosexuality in animals.

In fact, it was the zoo I work at that gave a fertilized egg to a pair of male penguins and they hatched and raised the chick themselves. Animal gay adoption? Tee hee. The Daily Show did a pretty funny segment on it.

If it's between consenting adults, whatever "it" might be, s'all okay with me. I'm just not all that interested in what's going on in anyone's bedroom except my own. ;)

If it's between consenting adults, whatever "it" might be, s'all okay with me. I'm just not all that interested in what's going on in anyone's bedroom except my own.


Same here GR.
Heck, if I had a web cam in mine, I'd be refunding money...all that sleeping don'tchaknow. And if anyone thinks that they'll get pictures of *****, they'll find out what my cat looks like.
She sleeps a lot too. Prrrrrr.

Now back to the story about Karr...something really stinks about that one. The stories don't jive.
Do you think this was arranged so that he could avoid prison in Thailand?
For sure he'll be treated better in an American jail.
We'll just have to see how this shakes out.

DTS,

My hubby and I were talking about this last night. We were wondering if he had done something over there (Thailand) and admitted to this so he could be brought back over here. But I haven't heard of him being charged with anything over there so I don't think that may be a reason he has admitted to this crime.

I'm curious as to his motives, too... heaven knows the child sex trade is alive and well in some Southeast Asian nations, but I don't know if Thailand is one of them. Well, I'm sure we'll get to read a lot about it in the press in the next few weeks...

Does anyone know what the penalties for falsely confessing to a crime are?

So now they say he knew things no one could know about the body but still the other stuff doesn't jibe. Do you suppose he knows the real killer, got details and claimed it for himself? He really is a strange bird. Sounds like he was booted out of everywhere for "being too affectionate" with the kids.

Buffy and GR,
I don't know if he's been charged. If I recall, he was charged with something in Thailand. We'll just have to see how it shakes out.
GR..filing a false confession? Don't know. Didn't about 200 people claim to have kidnapped the Lindbergh baby back in the 30's?
If I was Roman Catholic, I'd probably be able to make a priest blush with some outrageous "false confession"...but I'm sure they've heard lots.

Anyway, this "case" seems to have grabbed the headlines for a while.
We'll see.

DTS

"Lighten up Francis"... Now that made me chuckle.. "Touch me..and I'll kill ya".

Ez

I agree with you about American bison. They are as queer as they come. They practically swish when they walk.

I don't know what you guys are talking about. I've seen pictures of the guy. He looks really normal to me. LOL.

This story has been front and center for two days. It affects very few other than for entertainment purposes. And the death of a child is in no way "entertaining"...btw. Ten years or one day ago...matters not much.
Does anyone else thinks this is a diversion from reporting "real news"?
Iraq? Israel? Gas prices? N Korea? Iran? ...on and on.

Makes me wonder what they (major media) are trying to hide by making Jon Benet the focus.

Is anybody following the internet regulations that are working their way though congress besides me?

I don't think this is a purposeful distraction. It is just human nature to want a resolution to a mystery and this is one of the biggest since the Lindburgh baby (and people STILL would like to know what went on there.). Other times, yeah, I think distractions are created, but this is just THE story right now.