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NTamm1215 11-28-2009 08:48 PM

Summer Bird Injured; (12/4) Surgery goes well
 
At Hanshin:

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/su...ured-in-japan/

NT

Travis Stone 11-28-2009 08:55 PM

That's a tough break for Tim Ice and Dr. J. Glad to hear the horse is okay relatively speaking.

hockey2315 11-28-2009 09:11 PM

Awesome f@#$ing news.

Left Bank 11-28-2009 09:26 PM

That sucks!

10 pnt move up 11-28-2009 09:40 PM

dang synthetics claim another one

freddymo 11-28-2009 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
dang synthetics claim another one

Done enough

pba1817 11-28-2009 10:33 PM

Hate to say I told you so, but....

AeWingnut 11-28-2009 10:43 PM

Y Fukunaga

Merlinsky 11-28-2009 11:36 PM

This isn't life threatening but I assume it's career threatening right? Poor Tim. Not the greatest way to punctuate a year. How soon before you load SB up into a plane and get him home? Is it just a matter of bandages and tranquilizers?

philcski 11-28-2009 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Awesome f@#$ing news.

Yeah, that's pretty much my feeling. The ONE 3yo (male) I was really excited for next year for.
But the word on DRF isn't as bad as what we had originally thought...
http://www.drf.com/news/article/109237.html

letswastemoney 11-29-2009 12:44 AM

no big deal just 4 months or so

chucklestheclown 11-29-2009 02:07 AM

Good he is (supposedly) OK. But, personally, I was never excited about him. I was just praying he wouldn't embarrass the U.S. In fact, I think it is pathetic he will win an Eclipse award. He is barely above average.

"Summer Bird is a leading candidate for 3-year-old champion. He has won 4 of 9 starts and $2,323,040."

4 of 9 gets you an Eclipse? I would like to submit RA for DNA testing so she can get the 3yo award also.

ateamstupid 11-29-2009 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chucklestheclown
Good he is (supposedly) OK. But, personally, I was never excited about him. I was just praying he wouldn't embarrass the U.S. In fact, I think it is pathetic he will win an Eclipse award. He is barely above average.

"Summer Bird is a leading candidate for 3-year-old champion. He has won 4 of 9 starts and $2,323,040."

4 of 9 gets you an Eclipse? I would like to submit RA for DNA testing so she can get the 3yo award also.

When three of those four are the Belmont, Travers and JCGC, yeah, that'll usually get you an Eclipse. Personally I love the way the horse was brought along and am disheartened to see this happen. Hopefully he'll still be back at 4.

MisterB 11-29-2009 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Someone should do there homework a little better. :rolleyes: A bone chip is not a fracture. This report is like reading the National Inquire.

herkhorse 11-29-2009 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
Someone should do there homework a little better. :rolleyes: A bone chip is not a fracture. This report is like reading the National Inquire.

That's what you get in the age of twitter.

richard 11-29-2009 08:27 AM

If he enjoys what he does then maybe we'll see him next summer .

johnny pinwheel 11-29-2009 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
When three of those four are the Belmont, Travers and JCGC, yeah, that'll usually get you an Eclipse. Personally I love the way the horse was brought along and am disheartened to see this happen. Hopefully he'll still be back at 4.

i agree , this horse did not even race until spring. maiden win to graded stakes. how can anyone think hes not deserving, hes clearly the best 3 yo colt and probably would be the best horse next year. this really sucks.....

Coach Pants 11-29-2009 08:41 AM

Shocking. It's such a good course.

Bigsmc 11-29-2009 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse
That's what you get in the age of twitter.

You mean like Tiger Woods is in serious condition, when in reality, he just got his ass kicked by his wife after he was caught cheating on her?

RolloTomasi 11-29-2009 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
Someone should do there homework a little better. :rolleyes: A bone chip is not a fracture. This report is like reading the National Inquire.

I don't know. The first report was pretty detailed if the quotes are accurate. Wasn't Tim Ice on the scene?

Not sure if the owner was in Japan as well, but he certainly didn't offer up as much info as Ice did.

Of course, there's always the possibility that he suffered both injuries.

Merlinsky 11-29-2009 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
You mean like Tiger Woods is in serious condition, when in reality, he just got his ass kicked by his wife after he was caught cheating on her?

Yup. I'm looking forward to the canned statement that comes out of that household where, undoubtedly, they're getting their stories straight at this very moment. Still time to formulate more jokes--any involving the word "driver" have apparently been done, I think the next should involve Tiger's distraction+wreck happening because his wife forgot to yell "fore!" before she nailed his back window with the club. Just a thought.

I'm glad SB's injury isn't as bad as we thought, and I hope he's still on target for a 4yo campaign, in part because he's a nice horse, but also because I like good things happening for Tim Ice. Fingers crossed. SB still gets a chance to try to be the best horse Kent Desormeaux rode!

Honu 11-29-2009 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
Someone should do there homework a little better. :rolleyes: A bone chip is not a fracture. This report is like reading the National Inquire.

A bone chip is a fracture.

MisterB 11-29-2009 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu
A bone chip is a fracture.

The one that was reported and required screws? Technically it is a chip fracture, but seldom separate in the joint.

Honu 11-29-2009 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
The one that was reported and required screws? Technically it is a chip fracture, but seldom separate in the joint.


Ok chip FRACTURE , you win its a fracture.

MisterB 11-29-2009 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu
Ok chip FRACTURE , you win its a fracture.

Nobody wins here, just a bad reporting job. Maybe they can do better with following Tiger Woods.

Honu 11-29-2009 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
Nobody wins here, just a bad reporting job. Maybe they can do better with following Tiger Woods.

Is it displaced or not ?

MisterB 11-29-2009 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu
Is it displaced or not ?

It appears to be displaced, as the connections are reporting possible removal of what looks like a small pea.

Ray Paulick 11-30-2009 01:24 AM

An update has been posted at Paulick Report.

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/su...-return-to-us/

For those critical of the reporting on this, please understand that there is a language barrier on several levels that created some confusion.

Tim Ice was led to believe by the Japan Racing Association's translator on the scene that it was a small chip, which is the information he conveyed to his owners, who were not at Hanshin. When a couple of other writers spoke with owner Dr. K.K. Jayaraman, he relayed the information he was given at the time, which wasn't quite accurate.

When Tim saw the X rays himself (they were the old fashioned style, not digital, so it took a little time for him to get a look at them), he realized that it was a vertical fracture--not displaced or comminuted--but more of a hairline fracture. That's what I reported. It will require surgery and a screw to help mend the bone, but he said the vet in the U.S. who also had a chance to look at the X rays said the surgery would be quite simple and the prognosis good.

The other writers did nothing wrong and I don't think it's fair to say it's National Enquirer style reporting or journalism in the age of Twitter--as a couple of you did. Anyone who worked on this story was only trying to get the news out to their readers, and I don't think anyone took any shortcuts. The language barrier can be a real problem in Japan, and this was a good example.

There's a lot you can criticize us for, but I don't think this is one of those occasions.

herkhorse 11-30-2009 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray Paulick
An update has been posted at Paulick Report.

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/su...-return-to-us/

For those critical of the reporting on this, please understand that there is a language barrier on several levels that created some confusion.

Tim Ice was led to believe by the Japan Racing Association's translator on the scene that it was a small chip, which is the information he conveyed to his owners, who were not at Hanshin. When a couple of other writers spoke with owner Dr. K.K. Jayaraman, he relayed the information he was given at the time, which wasn't quite accurate.

When Tim saw the X rays himself (they were the old fashioned style, not digital, so it took a little time for him to get a look at them), he realized that it was a vertical fracture--not displaced or comminuted--but more of a hairline fracture. That's what I reported. It will require surgery and a screw to help mend the bone, but he said the vet in the U.S. who also had a chance to look at the X rays said the surgery would be quite simple and the prognosis good.

The other writers did nothing wrong and I don't think it's fair to say it's National Enquirer style reporting or journalism in the age of Twitter--as a couple of you did. Anyone who worked on this story was only trying to get the news out to their readers, and I don't think anyone took any shortcuts. The language barrier can be a real problem in Japan, and this was a good example.

There's a lot you can criticize us for, but I don't think this is one of those occasions.

How is it not fair? You wanted to be the first to report the news and you did. Congrats. Look, I feel bad for Summer Bird and Tim Ice, but maybe the world could have survived without the news until the facts were more accurate. The "language barrier" is a lame excuse. Tweet on, and welcome to the board.

RolloTomasi 11-30-2009 06:30 AM

I agree herkoff.

Personally, I don't believe anything until the avatars change.

Should we go after that Pincay radio tribute next?

Ray Paulick 11-30-2009 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse
How is it not fair? You wanted to be the first to report the news and you did. Congrats. Look, I feel bad for Summer Bird and Tim Ice, but maybe the world could have survived without the news until the facts were more accurate. The "language barrier" is a lame excuse. Tweet on, and welcome to the board.


I'm not sure what you are saying was inaccurate in the original post at Paulick Report. Summer Bird was injured, it was a fracture to his right foreleg, and not lilfe threatening. But please feel free to have the last word.

Cannon Shell 11-30-2009 10:45 AM

Rosetta Stone

freddymo 11-30-2009 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Rosetta Stone

Well most story's in horse racing don't end happy. He is thru off to the shed.. 15k advertised or 20k?

Cannon Shell 11-30-2009 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Well most story's in horse racing don't end happy. He is thru off to the shed.. 15k advertised or 20k?

20 though depending on where he goes maybe a bit more. Not for me at any price.

TouchOfGrey 12-01-2009 10:31 AM

Summer Bird needs surgery for fracture
 
Summer Bird needs surgery for fracture

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Summer Bird, who has been declared from the Japan Cup Dirt on Dec. 6 because of injury, is scheduled to leave Japan on Thursday for Los Angeles, where he could undergo surgery for a nondisplaced hairline fracture in his right front cannon bone, said his co-owner, K.K. Jayaraman.

"I think the prognosis for racing is good for him," he said.

Summer Bird, who was injured following a workout Sunday at Hanshin Racecourse near Osaka, was first believed to have sustained a small bone chip in his right front ankle. But Jayaraman said that the Japanese veterinarian who X-rayed the horse did not speak English and the true diagnosis was lost in translation. It was when the X-rays were reviewed by Jayaraman, who is a cardiologist, and Tim Ice, who trains Summer Bird, that the fracture was confirmed.

"It's almost like someone made a little scratch on the glass when you look on the X-ray," said Jayaraman.

He said the fracture is located in the lower portion of the cannon bone. X-rays have been sent to a Colorado veterinarian that Jayaraman has used with success in the past. Jayaraman thought a screw may need to be placed in the fracture line to enhance the healing process, and he felt the surgery could be done in either Los Angeles or Colorado. However, he added that such decisions are to be made when Summer Bird gets back to North America.

Jayaraman said Summer Bird is comfortable, and he is hopeful he will return to the races in 2010.

"The main thing is to get him back home," he said.
I hope his surgery is successful. I'd like to see him run next year.

freddymo 12-01-2009 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey
Summer Bird needs surgery for fracture



I hope his surgery is successful. I'd like to see him run next year.

Head to Lexington around August you will see him in a Paddock running around for a few hours a day. There is zero chance he runs again..

freddymo 12-01-2009 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
20 though depending on where he goes maybe a bit more. Not for me at any price.

One thing about breeding..You never know.. You thought Tapit or Speightstown were going to be the future? I never thought Smarty would be a complete bust..Maybe not great but a complete BUST?

RolloTomasi 12-01-2009 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
One thing about breeding..You never know.. You thought Tapit or Speightstown were going to be the future? I never thought Smarty would be a complete bust..Maybe not great but a complete BUST?

Speightstown? His horses seem to have distance limitations...and they improve on turf.

I guess he has a home as long as the BC Turf Sprint is around.

MisterB 12-01-2009 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
This is a very responsible manner for someone either in the industry or as a part of the industry media to explain what happened in the face of comments that are off the mark (for a variety of reasons). This post was neither arrogant nor condescending. It's refreshing.

Well done.

Making the truth is ok, I accept the sly apology, I think


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