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letswastemoney 11-21-2009 03:21 PM

Would you vote for an Atheist President?
 
Why or why not?

timmgirvan 11-21-2009 05:14 PM

do you mean foxhole athiests or the garden variety lead-headed " I am MAN,
hear me roar" kind?:D

Coach Pants 11-21-2009 05:28 PM

Hell yeah

Danzig 11-21-2009 06:05 PM

absolutely yes, i would. why not? you can't lead without a belief in god? hell, george bush thought he had a hotline to heaven, what good did that do us?

SCUDSBROTHER 11-21-2009 08:42 PM

I would. I just did. Didn't I? I would think that most non-religious politicians would prefer to call themselves Agnostic......Why would I vote for an Atheist? Because it's a slight positive. I'd prefer a Liberal (or Moderate) Catholic. I wouldn't vote for a Mormon, or a Muslim (both con-artist creations.) I wouldn't vote for anyone that interprets the Bible literally.

Danzig 11-21-2009 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I would. I just did. Didn't I? I would think that most non-religious politicians would prefer to call themselves Agnostic......Why would I vote for an Atheist? Because it's a slight positive. I'd prefer a Liberal (or Moderate) Catholic. I wouldn't vote for a Morman, or a Muslim (both con-artist creations.) I wouldn't vote for anyone that interprets the Bible literally.

lol
why not? i worked with a lady who said she'd have nothing to do with someone if they became a mormon. i told her that every religion had some suspension of disbelief, and that mormons were no better or worse in that regard.

and regarding your last sentence, i guess huckabee wouldn't get your vote?? lol he most certainly would not get mine, and he didn't when he ran for governor.

dellinger63 11-21-2009 11:03 PM

yes and I believe in God and (R)

dellinger63 11-21-2009 11:09 PM

and what's funny is my G-ma would vote against whoever my G-pa wanted regardless just to shut him up w/o saying a word. His only bad vote IHO was FDR. :D

SCUDSBROTHER 11-21-2009 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
lol
why not? i worked with a lady who said she'd have nothing to do with someone if they became a mormon. i told her that every religion had some suspension of disbelief, and that mormons were no better or worse in that regard.

and regarding your last sentence, i guess huckabee wouldn't get your vote?? lol he most certainly would not get mine, and he didn't when he ran for governor.

Huck is a decent person (with talent,) but I couldn't vote for him.

Combine Christianity with Angel Dust, and you might come up with something this crazy(Mormonism.) I have a cousin who converted to this. We don't talk about religion. I don't avoid her, but I wouldn't vote for a Mormon. "The President of the Church is the highest ecclesiastical authority on the Earth and is often referred to as "the Prophet." Would you want Tammy n' Jim Baker's ideas to be sacred text? No, I am not voting for fools that believe such sht. We already have way too many damn prophets. We have our hands full trying to control the followers of the Pedophile called Mo. Here are some of his followers sacrificing animals in the name of their gutter religion. These savages will be repeating this again this year (end of November-start of December.) Gunna off Sheep, Camels, Cows etc. in front of the whole family. That's the way Muslims see family values. I thought Camels had a higher level than cows n' sheep, but evidently not. It's not pretty. These aren't pretty videos. This is Islam. The Islam that the left still seems oblivious about. ISLAM IS NOT PRETTY. It's part of a 3 day Holiday called Eid al-Adha. So festive, huh? The leader of each family is expected to off something in front of the kids. Listen to the crowd. Lot of kids going "ooo." No, I won't ever vote for someone who admits to being a member of this sick religion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmQC3...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR1T7Yiwwe0&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H-wkGnNDnk

Indian Charlie 11-22-2009 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
do you mean foxhole athiests or the garden variety lead-headed " I am MAN,
hear me roar" kind?:D

I'd vote for an atheist that would publicly declare you to be an idiot.

With that, I'll be announcing my run for the 2012 presidency next year some time.

Indian Charlie 11-22-2009 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I wouldn't vote for a Mormon, or a Muslim (both con-artist creations.) I wouldn't vote for anyone that interprets the Bible literally.

Wait, so the Mormon and Muslim faiths are con-artist creations, but the rest of Christianity isn't? Or Judaism?

You really think Abraham wasn't a con man? Or Moses, one of the great hucksters of all time?

And while we are at it, if Judaism is pretty much full of ****, wouldn't that make anything that follows in it's footsteps pretty stinky too?

This message was brought to you by Jews for a revival of mass lobotomies.

Indian Charlie 11-22-2009 01:42 AM

How come every time I try to use the shid word, it gets asterisked out, but I see a lot of other people use it with no problem?

Goddamn it.

Indian Charlie 11-22-2009 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Gunna off Sheep, Camels, Cows etc. in front of the whole family. That's the way Muslims see family values.

You mean, kinda like those Christian Crusaders who on their way to 'liberate' Jerusalem cannibalized an entire town of Muslims except for the one they let get away in order to spread the news of the terror to Jerusalem?

I think Alton Brown should do a Good Eats episode on how to properly prepare and eat a Muslim.

Indian Charlie 11-22-2009 02:30 AM

I am beating Danzig's all time consecutive post record here.

Wouldn't it be cool to do that Muslim Good Eats episode. He can do his little spiel about Islam and then "Muslims, they're not just good for blaming everything on, they're...."

Cue the music....

"GOOD EATS!"

nuff said.

SCUDSBROTHER 11-22-2009 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Wait, so the Mormon and Muslim faiths are con-artist creations, but the rest of Christianity isn't? Or Judaism?

You really think Abraham wasn't a con man? Or Moses, one of the great hucksters of all time?

And while we are at it, if Judaism is pretty much full of ****, wouldn't that make anything that follows in it's footsteps pretty stinky too?

This message was brought to you by Jews for a revival of mass lobotomies.


Those are the 2 that are certain to be con artist creations. One was started by a butcher/pedophile. The other keeps writing sacred text as they go:tro:. The others you mentioned are based mainly on old men in the desert who say they were "touched" by the spirit. People who take that stuff literally are out of their mind. The religion that would actually help the world is one based solely on Christ's teachings. The one closest to that is Liberal Catholicism etc. People are usually into a certain religion because it's against what they're against (to start with.) What you're saying is there are people with machettes, but others also have plastic knives. O.K...LOL..I'm still like a thousand more times concerned about the machette people. It's no wonder these Muslims can be so bloody. They grow up watching their pa slice animal necks open each December. What did you do 20 years or so ago? Take the air out of my tires? O.K...What were you then? A barely-practicing Jew? No telling what a practicing Muslim would of done if I had upset him. Cut the car into 2 pieces? Cut me into 5 pieces? It would have been worse. A so called "Moderate Muslim"(whatever da fk that is) would of at least sliced all 4 tires. Knifework would have been involved.

Indian Charlie 11-22-2009 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Those are the 2 that are certain to be con artist creations. One was started by a butcher/pedophile. The other keeps writing sacred text as they go:tro:. The others you mentioned are based mainly on old men in the desert who say they were "touched" by the spirit. People who take that stuff literally are out of their mind. The religion that would actually help the world is one based solely on Christ's teachings. The one closest to that is Liberal Catholicism etc. People are usually into a certain religion because it's against what they're against (to start with.) What you're saying is there are people with machettes, but others also have plastic knives. O.K...LOL..I'm still like a thousand more times concerned about the machette people. It's no wonder these Muslims can be so bloody. They grow up watching their pa slice necks open each December.

Dude, the Muslims learned from the best butchers evah.

I absolutely guarantee that the followers of Jesus have slaughtered far more people than the followers of 'Mo'.

SCUDSBROTHER 11-22-2009 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Dude, the Muslims learned from the best butchers evah.

I absolutely guarantee that the followers of Jesus have slaughtered far more people than the followers of 'Mo'.

Again, you try to make an excuse for the present. What is the matter with you people. They're gunna have a knife to your throat, and you're still gunna be doing this p.c. crap. Get real. 20-25% of the fkn world wants to cut on you right now, and you keep saying they ain't very bad. You gunna wait until they send a human wave into Israel? You still gunna blame someone else for that? You gunna blame Christians for frying people in the top of those trade centers? Those were Muslims, and they'd love to do that again, too (would if they could.) This why so many Jews got caught in Germany even after Hitler had said what he did in the early 30's? Damn. Wake up.

Indian Charlie 11-22-2009 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Again, you try to make an excuse for the present. What is the matter with you people. They're gunna have a knife to your throat, and you're still gunna be doing this p.c. crap. Get real. 20-25% of the fkn world wants to cut on you right now, and you keep saying they ain't very bad. You gunna wait until they send a human wave into Israel? You still gunna blame someone else for that? You gunna blame Christians for frying people in the top of those trade centers? Those were Muslims, and they'd love to do that again, too (would if they could.) This why so many Jews got caught in Germany even after Hitler had said what he did in the early 30's? Damn. Wake up.

As a Jew, or at least a former one, I assure you again that I've never experienced a bit of a problem with any Muslim I've ever met. I even am sorta friends with a Saudi Prince that hangs out with my friend and his brother. He's camped in my backyard, I've gone hiking with him, and not a single problem.

I do, however, still get reminded of my religion from Christians, a lot more frequently than you'd think.

I knew Muslims in high school, college, in my neighborhood back in WC, and I never got a single look of disdain, not a single remark, nothing!

Every single iota of bigotry I've ever experienced or witnessed? You got it, the followers of Jesus (or is that Horus, I get them confused?).

Not that every Christian is bad, but man, you really gotta cut back on the propaganda as your worldview.

miraja2 11-22-2009 05:02 AM

If an atheist ever ran for president (and had an actual chance) I would not only probably vote for that candidate, I would also be tempted to quit my job and go volunteer for that candidate full time.

Of course, an atheist isn't going to be getting a major party nomination any time soon, because voters in this country require their presidents to believe that some guy who lived 2000 years ago had magic powers.

johnny pinwheel 11-22-2009 07:35 AM

i wish there was one to vote for. no politician is going to sell atheist thought, its "unamerican". i'm not an athiest but just looking around "religion" in general,does not have much to do with God. settlements, suicide bombers, drone bombers and invasions....i'd say they are all doing "Gods work"......lol. God is geat, religion is something men made up in order to kill each other. its the biggest oxymoron ever created by man.....RELIGION, THE REASON WE ALL KILL EACH OTHER...I LAUGH AT THE STUPIDITY BUT GOD IS PROBABLY CRYING OVER IT.

2Hot4TV 11-22-2009 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
If an atheist ever ran for president (and had an actual chance) I would not only probably vote for that candidate, I would also be tempted to quit my job and go volunteer for that candidate full time.

Of course, an atheist isn't going to be getting a major party nomination any time soon, because voters in this country require their presidents to believe that some guy who lived 2000 years ago had magic powers.

and he's been reincarnated as BTW.

Nascar1966 11-22-2009 09:21 AM

Pretty anyone would be better than the imbecile who is ruining our country.

brianwspencer 11-22-2009 09:23 AM

Absolutely, yes.

Danzig 11-22-2009 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966
Pretty anyone would be better than the imbecile who is ruining our country.


i didn't realize one person had so much power. other idiot presidents haven't ruined it, so i doubt that the naive guy in there now can either. he can give speeches about ruining it, but to actually accomplish something in that regard?? naaah.

timmgirvan 11-22-2009 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Dude, the Muslims learned from the best butchers evah.

I absolutely guarantee that the followers of Jesus have slaughtered far more people than the followers of 'Mo'.

proving your siggie!.....great job,fool

Danzig 11-22-2009 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
proving your siggie!.....great job,fool

historically, he's correct. lately, maybe not. between crusades, pogroms, the inquisition, the ira, etc etc....

timmgirvan 11-22-2009 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
historically, he's correct. lately, maybe not. between crusades, pogroms, the inquisition, the ira, etc etc....

Nero killed 6 million Christians and burned Rome to the ground while blaming them for the fire. That's a pretty good head start.

Danzig 11-22-2009 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Nero killed 6 million Christians and burned Rome to the ground while blaming them for the fire. That's a pretty good head start.


i wasn't aware that nero was a muslim...:rolleyes:

timmgirvan 11-22-2009 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i wasn't aware that nero was a muslim...:rolleyes:

Yeah..he "came out" just before he killed himself, muttering something about 72 virgins!:eek:

Just mentioned in conjunction with persecution,that's all

Danzig 11-22-2009 11:42 AM

and your numbers are way off. hitler killed six million. i doubt the entire roman population numbered six million when nero reigned. and from what i've read, they don't know how many christians died when nero ruled. but the christian sect was still very small at that time.

Riot 11-22-2009 11:59 AM

Christians are just Jews gone rogue, and Muslims view Jesus as a prophet.

There's alot to be said for Buddism, perhaps ....

Indian Charlie 11-22-2009 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
historically, he's correct. lately, maybe not. between crusades, pogroms, the inquisition, the ira, etc etc....

Does the second world war not count as recent enough?

Despite the imbecilic claims by Christians in this country, Hitler was not an atheist, and was, in fact, a passionate Catholic. This isn't even debatable.

Thirty million or so Russians died because of him, let alone all the Jews and Gypsies, and other assorted undesirables.

I could go into more current atrocities performed by these groups, but it's a lot more complicated now that they have refined their techniques. I'll gladly point in the right direction, however, if you wish.

Indian Charlie 11-22-2009 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Nero killed 6 million Christians and burned Rome to the ground while blaming them for the fire. That's a pretty good head start.

Wow, I can't even come up with an appropriate insult for you. That post of yours is just so ridiculous.

However.

I'd certainly like to know how you came up with six million!

Did you know, by the way, that there is absolutely no actual proof that Romans persecuted early Christians? All the 'early' writings of such nonsense has been proven to be forgeries done at a much, much later date.

Did you also know that the Romans were remarkably tolerant of their peoples religious beliefs?

Oh yeah, duh, of course you didn't.

Riot 11-22-2009 12:08 PM

Oh, why not hijack this thread, but my apologies if anyone cares .... <g>

You mention Hitler. It infuriates me the way people casually compare anything to Hitler (not you) I've met tattooed holocaust survivors when I was younger, and it's just not right to insult and demean that horror that way. But the demonstrators that compared Bush to Hitler, now Obama to Hitler, etc. - what a bunch of losers.

Segue - Glenn Beck compares Obama to Hitler all the time, accused Obama's interest in restoring volunteerism (Peace Corp, anyone?) to "indoctrination youth camps", a threat to our security, etc.

But I see that Glenn Beck is going to start holding "education camps" for his followers. And that is exactly what he is calling them.

Can he really, really not see the hypocrite in the mirror?

Indian Charlie 11-22-2009 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
Christians are just Jews gone rogue, and Muslims view Jesus as a prophet.

There's alot to be said for Buddism, perhaps ....

That's closer to the truth than most people think.

It's more like though that Christians are just Romans gone rogue and that some very clever Italians a long time ago realized their empire could not continue on forever in it's current (at that time) form, and that something had to be done to continue the empire for as long as possible.

That was one mighty strong 'omen' Constantine received from God!!!!! That one omen changed things forever.

Indian Charlie 11-22-2009 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Oh, why not hijack this thread, but my apologies if anyone cares .... <g>

You mention Hitler. It infuriates me the way people casually compare anything to Hitler (not you) I've met tattooed holocaust survivors when I was younger, and it's just not right to insult and demean that horror that way. But the demonstrators that compared Bush to Hitler, now Obama to Hitler, etc. - what a bunch of losers.

Segue - Glenn Beck compares Obama to Hitler all the time, accused Obama's interest in restoring volunteerism (Peace Corp, anyone?) to "indoctrination youth camps", a threat to our security, etc.

But I see that Glenn Beck is going to start holding "education camps" for his followers. And that is exactly what he is calling them.

Can he really, really not see the hypocrite in the mirror?

More times than I can count, people and/or groups in a position of power use the same techniques of those that they lambaste to achieve their ends. It's as if they are projecting their crap onto other people.

I understand too what you say about Hitler and that makes sense, however, some day when you have a lot of time and want to learn something really interesting, research the history of IG Farben and what influences they've had upon our modern world, especially after they were disbanded/dismantled.

Riot 11-22-2009 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
It's more like though that Christians are just Romans gone rogue and that some very clever Italians a long time ago realized their empire could not continue on forever in it's current (at that time) form, and that something had to be done to continue the empire for as long as possible.

That was one mighty strong 'omen' Constantine received from God!!!!! That one omen changed things forever.

Yeah, what he ^^ said ;)

Danzig 11-22-2009 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Does the second world war not count as recent enough?

Despite the imbecilic claims by Christians in this country, Hitler was not an atheist, and was, in fact, a passionate Catholic. This isn't even debatable.

Thirty million or so Russians died because of him, let alone all the Jews and Gypsies, and other assorted undesirables.

I could go into more current atrocities performed by these groups, but it's a lot more complicated now that they have refined their techniques. I'll gladly point in the right direction, however, if you wish.


er, i was on your side. and i mean recently as in the last few years, where it's been only muslims getting the press for their atrocities.

Danzig 11-22-2009 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
That's closer to the truth than most people think.

It's more like though that Christians are just Romans gone rogue and that some very clever Italians a long time ago realized their empire could not continue on forever in it's current (at that time) form, and that something had to be done to continue the empire for as long as possible.

That was one mighty strong 'omen' Constantine received from God!!!!! That one omen changed things forever.



the omen worked since constantine won. he then could control what we now call history. he was the victor, to the victor goes the spoils. and of course christians back when were jewish followers of jesus-something christians today tend to forget. when they preach jewish hatred, they forget the person they supposedly follow was jewish.

Danzig 11-22-2009 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
Oh, why not hijack this thread, but my apologies if anyone cares .... <g>

You mention Hitler. It infuriates me the way people casually compare anything to Hitler (not you) I've met tattooed holocaust survivors when I was younger, and it's just not right to insult and demean that horror that way. But the demonstrators that compared Bush to Hitler, now Obama to Hitler, etc. - what a bunch of losers.

Segue - Glenn Beck compares Obama to Hitler all the time, accused Obama's interest in restoring volunteerism (Peace Corp, anyone?) to "indoctrination youth camps", a threat to our security, etc.

But I see that Glenn Beck is going to start holding "education camps" for his followers. And that is exactly what he is calling them.

Can he really, really not see the hypocrite in the mirror?


that all drives me nuts as well-especially when rush uses the term 'feminazis'.


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