She's Done
 

Shocker. . .

http://www.drf.com/news/article/108816.html

Obviously afraid to face Rachel..

Actually it is finally a good time to say:

She has done enough

I'm surprised that none of the Sheiks or other Big shots have never offered to buy her.

I'm sure they have, does Jerry Moss really need the money?

That's why he still owns her.

Rachel should set out to do the same next year... win the BC Classic on her preferred racing surface(CD).

Breed her to the Green Monkey.

That I want to see. RA win the Classic against the males only getting 1 to 3 pounds and she wont get the 1 1/4.

I think Rachel in the Mile dirt would be perfect.

unconventional or conventional.. Is it conventional slop or just slop?

Rachel doesn't need slop to win.

Ya Think? All she needs is to be the same rachel at 4 that she was at 3 and she can run on beer cans

I don't believe she is afraid to face Rachel. How can anyone even say that. One of Zenyatta's best races, speed figure wise was in the apple blossum on the dirt. She just won a race with 8 grade 1 winners that represent 17 grade 1's. She beat all that Rachel beat in the 3 year old division as well as a far better crop of older horses than Zenyatta faced. She beat synthetic specialists and the best dirt horse in addition to the Euros. Now she was lightly raced (4 races to RA's 7) but do you really think she couldn't have put up a more formidable challenge to RA in the Woodward then Macho Again?
And one more thing. Zenyatta was the Champion. Why does so many fans think that SHE should have came to HER? Look, maybe there was some ducking going on on both sides. But RA and Zenyatta in a 12/14 horse field going 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 (dirt or fake dirt)? I'll go with Zenyatta every time. And you'd have to be foolish to think anything else. Zen's ears were pricked going past Gio Ponti! Have you any idea what that represents?

:wf Nonsense Rachel Alexandra>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Zeny atta

Just my point.

The both have great running styles...however if they met it would require a tremendous amount of speed to soften Rachel up and there lies the problem...she is the fastest filly in the land bar none and she would set the fractions required to leave enough in the tank to win easily. Don't let the Classic fool you..it would be no contest what so ever.


Scat OUT

Please tell us what it represents,Mr. Science.

Handi you have done enough

The only way I can see them reconsidering is if she comes back to challenge Cigar and Citation's win steak record.

As a horseracing fan one can hope for a short 4 race campaign culminating at CD next year.

The older horses she beat haven't won a Grade 1 on conventional dirt this year and only 2 Grade 1s on artificial surfaces this year. She beat a bunch of turf horses,

Did Personal Ensign or Lady's Secret win the Breeders Cup Classic? Nope. That must mean Zenyatta is better than they were.

A question for one of you "insiders," or anyone in the know:

If I own Zenyatta, how does this work now? What's next?

I mean, how do I decide which horse to breed her to? Do I breed her to a horse I already own? Or do I go out and pick the best stallion out there and if so, who's paying whom and how does ownership of the offspring work?

These aren't rhetorical questions or talking points. I would really like to know how this process plays out.

If you owned Zenyatta the trainer would be Michelle Nihei and no one would give a s.hit.

Jamie Sanders maybe.

That is pretty effing funny...

exactly.. they are much more "fake Turf" than they are "fake Dirt"

I'd wonder if all the Cali fans would think Zenyatta deserved horse of the year if she ran five times on NYRA tracks and never shipped any further than Saratoga to run.

They are afraid of a blemish on the perfect record. Which is ridiculous for a horse which has accomplished what she did this weekend.

They make a big fuss about how the fans were in love with her, and then they deprive those fans of the chance to see her run again, even though she is obviously in her prime.

There is really no reason to retire her now except to protect that perfect record.

Unlike a stallion prospect, she could make more running next year than she is likely to make from one more foal.

--Dunbar

As a racing fan I hope she comes back for a 2010 campaign. I think she could be a more dominant horse on dirt, contrary to belief it is harder to win consistently on synthetic tracks where there is less room for error and margin of wins are generally less than dirt.

I would be very comfortably with her chances from distances of 1 1/8 to 1 1/4 on tracks as in Churchill Downs and Saratoga, I think some will be surprised by her races on dirt if it should ever happen in the future.

What possible incentive would the owner have of ever running her on dirt next year? Exactly what races are out there that would prove anymore than what was proven on Saturday? I mean, aside from the Dubai World Cup which is now going to be run on the fake stuff, what race would she possibly ship for? The Whitney? The Woodward? We saw how watered down the older horse division has become is by the fields that were in there. Shes already beaten older horses and she is still undefeated. I think she is done racing period, but if she ever did come back it would make sense for one reason only- the Dubai World Cup.

At least theoretically she would have faced Seventh Street, Icon Project, Swift Temper, Miss Isella, Seattle Smooth, Cocoa Beach and Music Note on more than one occassion. Who knows, might have even lured Rachel Alexandra into a showdown.

Granted, she dusted Life Is Sweet (who originated from NY) a couple of times, but that one's Ladies Classic was hardly definitive. Fortunately, she also took most of the La Canada series and the Santa Maragarita.

Just think if Zenyatta had beaten Life Is Sweet early in the year at Hollywood and/or Santa Anita, then went East for the summer and thrashed all those fillies mentioned above. Even without facing Rachel Alexandra she'd have a huge claim on HOY.

It would have been like Riboletta's 2000 campaign, but in reverse. And without the career-ending injury.

She didn't though. She stayed in the same 100 mile radius and shipped to Louisville only to have her connections wuss out of a race on - *shudder* - a wet track.

The consecutive streak record for one, a second BC classic, there is no point bringing her back to run in So Cal Fillies races now that she has beaten the boys, I would compact her schedule to 4-5 top races around America and maybe Dubai. There are still enough disbelievers out there that it would be a worthwhile risk, putting off motherhood for one yr is not out of the question in my mind.

Plus, it's not like she isn't lightly raced. 14 starts by the end of a 5YO's career is nothing - even by today's non-Southern Image standards.

I'm for Rachel but I can see arguments for both. Zenyatta won this race a lot more easier than the margin of victory demonstrates, and this group was better than any group rachel beat, I dont care what surface it was run on.
But in Rachel's defense, she beat better horses more often, travelled to 6? race tracks to do it. Sure she aniliated a couple of very weak fields in the KY Oaks and the Moothe Goose, but Zenyatta beat weak fields every time she ran (except the BC Classic). I'm not sold on Life is Sweet's win elevating the field's Zenyatta beat all year either.

Why do rich people need incentives to race their race horses? I mean she will make exactly $0 next year as a broodmare.. her baby wont race for a few years after that.. I doubt the owners will sell the baby.

Just race her! She's special! and she could win the Dubai race easily.

Come on, antitrust, they wouldn't run her at Churchill Downs on Derby weekend, you really think they'd take the risk of sending her to Dubai? No chance, lance. If she runs next year, it will make this year's schedule look arduous by comparison.

Exactly. Do these people think they will ever have another like her? Why are they in this game if not to enjoy the rare thrill of running a top horse in the best races?

--Dunbar

oaklawn
fairgrounds
churchill
pimlico
belmont
saratoga
monmouth

i think that's all the ones she raced on.

head to head you have rachel with almost twice as many races, with a record setter in the martha washington, a record margin in the oaks..three victories over males vs zenyatta with one. i think rachel got 5 gr 1's this year-how many did zenyatta get?
zenyatta's performance saturday was incredible-but i don't know that it was moreso than some of rachel's best.