Islamophobia
 

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pa...lamophobia.htm

"Islamophobe (is-slahm-o-fohb) - A non-Muslim who knows more than they are supposed to know about Islam.

Islamophobia is a fear of losing life or liberty to Islamic rule merely because the laws, sacred texts, and modern practices of Islam demand the submission of culture, politics, religion and all social expression. It tends to afflict those most familiar with the religion, while sparing the more gullible."

did you want to finish your thought maybe??

The Non-Muslims who think they aren't Islamophobes are simply ignoring the teachings of Islam. That's pretty much what it says in that link. I'll repeat it (if it somehow floats your boat.)You want me to take ownership of it? Yes, If you don't fear that belief system, then you'd have to be ignorant about it. Here is the belief system this con man set up:



1. A standardized version of the idea-collection is written down.

2. The Qur’an includes instructions for its own spread.

3. The idea-collection includes instructions for its own preservation, protection, and replication fidelity.

^^^^^^^^^These first three ideas are pretty standard for several successful religions.

4. Islam commands its followers to create a government that supports it. Other groups of religious people have had political aspirations, but no other major religious group orders its followers — as a religious duty — to create a government that follows its own system of law. This is why it's so obvious that Turkey's leader is a liar. He is a devout Muslim, and unless he is defeated, that country will be forced into Sharia Law. When he says he doesn't want to do that, it's an absolute Turk lie (common as beach sand.)

5. Permission to spread the religion by war. The poor non-Muslims not living in an Islamic state need to be saved from the sin of following laws other than Allah’s. If they won’t voluntarily change their laws to Shari’a, then it is the duty of Muslim warriors to insist. The world cannot be at peace until every government on earth follows the laws of Allah.

6. Lands must be conquered. According to Islamic teachings, the earth is Allah’s. If there are parts of the earth not following Islamic law, it is the duty of the faithful to gain control of that land and establish Shari’a. It is a sin to let it be.

7. The idea-collection provides for new soldiers by allowing polygamy. A Muslim man can marry up to four wives, and he can have sex with as many slave girls as he wishes.

8. It is a punishable offense to criticize Islam. You can see why this one is a good supporting idea for the collection. It helps suppress any ideas that would reduce the authority of Islamic ideas.

9. You can’t leave Islam once you’re in. This is a critical part of Shari’a law. Someone who has rejected Islam who was once a Muslim is an “apostate.” This is a crime and a sin, and the punishment for it is death (and eternal damnation in hell thereafter).

10. Islam must be your first allegiance.

11. Dying while fighting for Islam is the ONLY way to guarantee a man’s entrance into Paradise.

12. You must read the Qur’an in Arabic. This unites believers by language, and language is a very powerful unifying phenomenon. For added incentive to learn Arabic, another idea in the collection says you can’t go to Paradise unless you pray in Arabic.


13. You must pray five times a day. The practice helps the idea-collection dominate a Muslim’s life, infusing his daily rhythm with Islam.

14. The prayers involve moving together in time. When people move together in time, whether dancing or marching or praying, it creates a physical and emotional bond between them.

15. A woman is in a thoroughly subordinate position. By subordinating women, the idea-collection prevents their effective vote against war, violence, and conquest.

16. The only way a woman can get into Paradise for sure is if her husband is happy with her when she dies. She might have a chance to get into Paradise if she’s a good Muslim, the only way she can guarantee she will go to Paradise (and avoid eternal suffering in hell) is to make sure her husband is happy with her when she dies.

17. Allah gives Himself permission to edit his own work. Mohammad only managed to win 150 followers. But as a military leader and violent conqueror, he was able to subjugate all of Arabia to Islamic law in less than 10 years. The peaceful ways were too slow. Conversion by conquering and establishing Shari’a was much faster and more efficient. So later, violent, intolerant verses abrogate the earlier peaceful, tolerant passages

18. The Qur’an uses the carrot and stick to reinforce behavior. Hell, or paradise.

19. It provides a huge and inspiring goal. Leaders of countries or companies or religions have all discovered that you can get the most motivation and enthusiasm from your followers if you provide them with an expansive vision — an enormous goal. In the Islamic idea-collection, the goal calls for a continuous effort to expand the domain of Islamic law until all the world is subjugated to it.

20. Non-Muslims must pay a large tax. Once Muslims conquer a country and convert the government to Islamic law, any non-Muslims have the choice between becoming Muslim or becoming a dhimmi. Dhimmis are allowed to practice their non-Muslim religion if they pay the jizya (a tax). If they convert to Islam, they no longer have to pay a tax, so there is a practical incentive to convert.

21. A Muslim is forbidden to make friends with an infidel. A Muslim is allowed to pretend to be a friend, but in his heart he must never actually be a friend to a non-Muslim.

22. The Qur’an counsels the use of deceit when dealing with infidels. Mohammad instructed one of his followers to lie if he had to (in order to assassinate one of Mohammad’s enemies). The principle was clear: If it helps Islam, it’s okay to deceive non-Muslims.

23. Islam must always be defended. This idea is a primary linchpin that gives justification for war with almost anybody, as you’ll see in the idea below. After the enemy is defeated, of course, Muslims are required to establish an Islamic state.

24. Islamic writings teach the use of pretext to start wars. The principle of pretext means you try to provoke a hostile reaction and then use the hostile reaction as a reason to escalate hostilities.

25. The explicit use of double standards. Islam has one standard for Muslims, and a different standard for non-Muslims, which always gives the advantage to Muslims and within a Muslim country, it provides incentives to convert.

26. It is forbidden to kill a Muslim (except for a just cause). It is not forbidden to kill an infidel. This causes a bond between Muslims, fear in non-Muslims, and motivation to become Muslim. This is also another example of an explicit Islamic double standard.

Another " Fairy Tale " for fools. Idiots, how can someone have a collage education and still beleive this crap. P.T. Barnum was right.

I forgot to ask "What's your point"?

That Non-Muslims who think they aren't Islamophobes are simply ignoring the teachings of Islam. If you don't fear that belief system, then you'd have to be uninformed about it (I say "ignorant," but people continue to think that word means more than it does.)

I believe "phobic" connotes an irrational fear of.......so you're saying that people who don't understand Islam arent phobic per se, because if they understood it they'd be fearful of it.

Yes.

You are using one of two definitions for Phobia (you're using the clinical definition.) The 2nd definition is: Phobia = A strong fear, dislike, or aversion.


Reading the list above, wouldn't it be realistic that a non-Muslim reading about that belief system would have a natural dislike for Islam? Take, for instance,#6: "According to Islamic teachings, the earth is Allah’s. If there are parts of the earth not following Islamic law, it is the duty of the faithful to gain control of that land and establish Shari’a. It is a sin to let it be." Or, look at #9: "You can’t leave Islam once you’re in. This is a critical part of Shari’a law. Someone who has rejected Islam who was once a Muslim is an “apostate.” This is a crime and a sin, and the punishment for it is death (and eternal damnation in hell thereafter.") For instance, the guy who directed that Crash Film just left Scientology. In Islam, you could be killed for trying to leave that religion. Don't you remember they were gunna kill a person for doing this in Afghanistan? The Karzei Gov't heard we caught wind of it, and so they did something else (but they would have preferred to kill the person.)

It seems that you're trying to develop a point......get to what you really want to say!

I have said it many times. If non-Muslims know what Islam teaches, then they should have a natural fear or aversion to Islam. That's one definition of an Islamophobe (one who has a strong fear or dislike of Islam.) In other words, an Islamophobe is not a bad person. They are simply well informed people who aren't Muslims.

You are missing the point! A person who is phobic has an irrational fear....people who know anything of Islam have every right to fear Islam.
The words of the prophet are enough to distrust the entire book of Qu'ran, and everything that goes along with it.

Well, again, that's a clinical definition of phobic. In Chemistry, some things are hydrophilic, and some are hydrophobic. That just means a substance blends well with water, or it repels water. There's nothing irrational involved.

As I said, there are two definitions:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/phobics

It's my opinion that people should try to take the power of the word away from those who use it as a negative. It's not a negative. I'm proud to be an Islamophobe. It's a disgusting belief system that's based on a con artist's bullshit. You can choose the "irrational" definition, but below is the one that describes it best, because you can't be irrrational for fearing Islam . That is a rational response.


Islamophobia is a fear of losing life or liberty to Islamic rule merely because the laws, sacred texts, and modern practices of Islam demand the submission of culture, politics, religion and all social expression. It tends to afflict those most familiar with the religion, while sparing the more gullible.

So do we take a position of Defence or form a plan of Attack?

Defense (keep them out of here with hi-tech everything.) Nuclear stuff is the only thing keeping them from sacrificing their people with a human wave against Israel. Do you remember Iran doing that against Iraq? Didn't have weapons in their hands. Just sent teenagers to their death in a human wave. That's what a bullshit religion that is (they'll gladly die for Allah, n' get pssy in paradise.) This Mo set this whole thing up just like a Manson would design it.

Just wondering.....this thing going on @ Ft Hood, does this have any effect on your Islamophobic condition? I mean, with those names, they couldn't be Islamic? Or am I making unreasonable assumptions?

I was thinking the same thing, thinking mind you. Not assuming, not stating fact, just thinking to my self. Many thoughts running thru my mind, but just thoughts.

Right me too. Not stereotyping, no prejudice. Not that I would be watching my back if the Godolphin or Darley stable boys were walking by me. Only thoughts. No assumptions on my part, no sir.

How can he still be alive?

Was shot by a chick. Come on, honey. Try a head shot.

All the better......save him for the firing squad, oh and make sure his name is in big letters on the TV screen.

"Soldiers reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" — an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" — before opening fire.."

Ain't that just nifty.

Says he once attended Barstow Community College. There's a College town for ya.

39 year old virgin

Ragin'

I don't know why everyone is so critical of this guy Hasan. He is a good man, a deeply religious man. As Scuds said, Hasan was shouting Allahu Akbar! (God is great!) as he shot everyone.

He's also a Va Tech Alum

Wow, just found out on the local news that he went to high school in Roanoke for a little while and his family also owned a small convenience store 2 blocks from where I live.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...3.story?page=1

Read these 2 statements:

"We're better than this," said Sgt. Fahad Kamal, 26, an Army combat medic who wore his fatigues to Friday afternoon prayers at the mosque, and who worked near Hasan at Ft. Hood. "It's not because he was Muslim. It's because of his mental problems."


"He said he didn't want to go to Iraq or Afghanistan," said Reasoner, who was raised as a Catholic. "He(Hasan) didn't want to be deployed. He said Muslims shouldn't be in the U.S. military, because obviously Muslims shouldn't kill Muslims. He told me not to join the Army."


The 2nd statement is the one that is most in line with their Islam............ O.K., just to let you know, my brother has got a hard-on for Fundamentalist Christianity. I talk very little to him. We weren't very religious growing up. He had problems with self esteem n' jealousy etc. Sometimes a backstabber (if necessary.) For whatever reason, this crap fits him. I could easily die without speaking another word to someone I consider ordinary Phoenix White Trash. I'll tell you something, though. I have never heard this individual say it was his responsibility to punish someone for being a "non-believer." It's always a case of non-believers being punished by God(after they die.) Islam is very different in regards to this. As I said last week, people need to really look at that, because whenever a U.S. Military Muslim gets fed up with non-believer soldiers, he can use Islamic teachings to justify killing them. These fellow MO NUTLICKERS can say they are shocked, but they can't say his actions were contrary to Islamic Teachings. He believed that they were gunna kill fellow Muslims. In his pathetic belief system, that's a good enough reason to off them.

Yawn. "Islamophobes" = more sad religious racism.

Should Hasan have been kicked out of the military based on his history as documented in this article? I'm curious as to what your opinions are. I would imagine that most Conservatives would have wanted him kicked out. I know Scuds would have wanted him kicked out even though Scuds is not a Conservative. I would have wanted him kicked out. What does everyone think? Would it have been discrimination if he had been kicked out. The title of the article is "Some Predicted Trouble From Ft. Hood's Hasan". Here is the article:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091108/D9BRD8GO1.html

Would you please show me what Muslim country treats non-Muslims as well as Muslims are treated here? I consider this "religion" to be simply one big terrorist organization. Some members are active terrorists, and the others are quiet supporters of it. At any time, the quiet supporters can turn violent, and justify it with that list I put up at the beginning of this thread. You don't believe they're quiet supporters of terrorism?

Take a look at that:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020101

A year ago, this guy had just about everyone fooled. Not me. He just wanted to get into the E.U. When Israel went into Gaza, this guy supported the terrorist group Hamas. Then he goes to kiss up to Syria. Then he goes to kiss up to the leader of IRAN. Yes, that scumbag Ahmadinajerk. The guy who threw an election n' had his people terrorized for demonstrating about it. Then,just this week, the guy was all set to allow Sudanese President Omar al-Beshir(facing an international arrest warrant for alleged war crimes in Darfur) to come to Turkey. This despite that the E.U. and any other civilized country had asked him to not let him come. His typical Thug Muslim response was "What's it to them." He even went so far as to say he doesn't believe a Muslim could commit genocide. That's how fkn blind these Muslims get when faced with the fact that a fellow Muslim is filth. They simply overlook it, because Al Beshir was just killing non-believers....The lives of non-believers are simply of very little value to these people. It is not a concern to Muslims, but you will never face up to this. He wasn't going to arrest him. Al Beshir finally decided to stay home, but it just shows you how fellow Muslims will bullshit like crazy to protect even filth like al-Beshir. It's a damn disgrace that Turkey is still allowed in Nato. I don't know wtf that Turk Military is waiting for. I guarantee you they are coming soon for this piece of sht. He was pretending to act Secular. That Kemalist bunch in the military have been incredibly patient. Don't know wtf they are waiting for.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091108...20091108180127

It gets worse by the day. Now we find out that they knew Hasan had been trying to contact Al Qadea. Why in the world didn't they act on this information? Here is the article:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-h...ory?id=9030873

Well we know already that many kept quiet about his "lectures" because they didn't want people like Riot giving them sht. Protecting a known Muslim extremist (something RIOT would of done) cost 13 other innocent people their life. You have to wonder just how many other Hasan types are fighting their urges to do the same thing he did.

http://www.vitals.com/doctor/profile/1811199052

go to ratings. ell oh ell

Just call someone a racist if you disagree? That sh!t is getting old fast. Libs have been playing the race card to death.

14 since one of the slain soldiers was pregnant.