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Cannon Shell 10-16-2009 01:58 PM

Racist GOP senators
 
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The Indomitable DrugS 10-16-2009 02:01 PM

It would be a clever trick if they could press him to pardon a really bad black man ... and use it against him when he runs again.

I don't get pardoning people who are long dead.

dellinger63 10-16-2009 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
It would be a clever trick if they could press him to pardon a really bad black man ... and use it against him when he runs again.

I don't get pardoning people who are long dead.

especially Jesus Christ and all those Saints

hi_im_god 10-17-2009 04:52 PM

mccain's a good man and probably the best candidate for president i ever didn't vote for. he also has a long running interest in boxing.

it's too bad the rest of the party isn't as enlightened.

not every republican is a racist. but if you're a racist and want to join a major party the choice is pretty obvious.

TheSpyder 10-18-2009 07:59 AM

Is that why they call it a "Johnson"?

jballscalls 10-18-2009 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
not every republican is a racist. but if you're a racist and want to join a major party the choice is pretty obvious.

your kidding right? some of the biggest racists i know are liberals? and i say that as someone who is liberal on a lot of things. But who are the ones always crying race card?? who was it that pushed affirmative action which is by definition racist??

there are racists on both sides of the aisle, just for some reason old white guys being racist is viewed as 20 times worse than minorities being racist to either other minorities or whites.

hi_im_god 10-18-2009 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jballscalls
your kidding right? some of the biggest racists i know are liberals? and i say that as someone who is liberal on a lot of things. But who are the ones always crying race card?? who was it that pushed affirmative action which is by definition racist??

there are racists on both sides of the aisle, just for some reason old white guys being racist is viewed as 20 times worse than minorities being racist to either other minorities or whites.

it's funny how every conversation about race somehow winds up being a discussion of the huge national problem of discrimination against white people.

you might be liberal on a lot of issues but you echo the typical resentful old white guy when you try to make a case that there's an equivalency between slavery, lynching, jim crow laws, and whatever slight injury you imagine yourself to have suffered as a result of minority empowerment.

i think we're a better country for what has been accomplished since the civil rights act of 1965. some disagree.

my point is that most of the latter are republicans.

jballscalls 10-19-2009 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
it's funny how every conversation about race somehow winds up being a discussion of the huge national problem of discrimination against white people.

you might be liberal on a lot of issues but you echo the typical resentful old white guy when you try to make a case that there's an equivalency between slavery, lynching, jim crow laws, and whatever slight injury you imagine yourself to have suffered as a result of minority empowerment.

i think we're a better country for what has been accomplished since the civil rights act of 1965. some disagree.

my point is that most of the latter are republicans.

it's funny that you are belittling my point. Slavery, lynching, jim crow laws are all gone. we're talking about now, not living in the past. and NOW, racism lives equally between everyone, going each way.

i completely agree we are better off because of the civil rights and things are more equal here than they ever have been in a lot of ways, but the original point is that racism is just as active among liberals as it is conservatives

GBBob 10-19-2009 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jballscalls
it's funny that you are belittling my point. Slavery, lynching, jim crow laws are all gone. we're talking about now, not living in the past. and NOW, racism lives equally between everyone, going each way.

i completely agree we are better off because of the civil rights and things are more equal here than they ever have been in a lot of ways, but the original point is that racism is just as active among liberals as it is conservatives

I really don't think that's true..Are you saying that today, whites are discriminated against as much as blacks?

Antitrust32 10-19-2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
I really don't think that's true..Are you saying that today, whites are discriminated against as much as blacks?

the discrimination chain (FOR RIGHT NOW NOT FOR HISTORY):

Muslims

Black Women

Gays

Blacks

Hispanics & Jews fit here

non-black Women

Whites/Asains

Cannon Shell 10-19-2009 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
I really don't think that's true..Are you saying that today, whites are discriminated against as much as blacks?

Discrimination is usually miscatagorized simply by race and generally by black versus white. The problem is that virtually all groups are discriminated against in one way or another. The fact that there are more white people than black people and the fact that our history has a great deal of discrimination against blacks tilts the way society think about the entire discrimination topic. When any group claims they want equality but yet pushes for inequality using the same logic that you are thinking here, discrimination still exists but since it is against a white person it somehow is less wrong or not as bad.

Affirmative Action is discriminatory. While some justify the means to an end, it still is plainly discriminatory is that it elevates less qualified individuals BECAUSE of race, not in spite of it.

Wanting to get tougher on illegal aliens is not racist though it is virtually always displayed in that manner by the left who generally take their position based on cheaply winning votes. But because the majority of illegal aliens aren't white males, it somehow is racially tinted.

Cannon Shell 10-19-2009 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
the discrimination chain (FOR RIGHT NOW NOT FOR HISTORY):

Muslims

Black Women

Gays

Blacks

Hispanics & Jews fit here

non-black Women

Whites/Asains

The assumption that this is how a white person would view the world is discriminatory in itself unless specifically designated as such.

Mexicans and Puerto Ricans hate each other far more than white men hate gays.

Different types of Muslims hate each other far more than they hate Americans.

Where are the Christians? They surely are as hated as Asians?

In fact I would put the gays behind Hispanics and Jews. Honestly no group has made as big as inroads in American society as gays in my lifetime.

And jews probably should be higher as there seems to be no recourse in actively speaking out or trashing them.

Antitrust32 10-19-2009 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The assumption that this is how a white person would view the world is discriminatory in itself unless specifically designated as such.

Mexicans and Puerto Ricans hate each other far more than white men hate gays.

Different types of Muslims hate each other far more than they hate Americans.

Where are the Christians? They surely are as hated as Asians?

In fact I would put the gays behind Hispanics and Jews. Honestly no group has made as big as inroads in American society as gays in my lifetime.

And jews probably should be higher as there seems to be no recourse in actively speaking out or trashing them.


this was just for america, not the world. I think Americans would be #1 if it was for the world.. seems like everyone hates Americans even when the rely on us. though muslims would still be close, but it would be for the reasons you wrote. Jews have gotten the bad end of the stick for all of history.

miraja2 10-19-2009 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Mexicans and Puerto Ricans hate each other far more than white men hate gays.

Your ability to conduct the extensive research needed to make all of your broad sociological pronouncements in thousands of areas at once never ceases to amaze.....but you have outdone even yourself in talking out of your ass with this one.
What exactly are you basing this statement on?

SOREHOOF 10-19-2009 02:56 PM

Discrimination and racism are 2 different things.

Antitrust32 10-19-2009 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Your ability to conduct the extensive research needed to make all of your broad sociological pronouncements in thousands of areas at once never ceases to amaze.....but you have outdone even yourself in talking out of your ass with this one.
What exactly are you basing this statement on?


um it is very true. All you have to do is know a few mexicans or puerto ricans to come up with that one. Same with dominicans.. they hate PR's for the most part. I mean as individuals people can like one another.. but call a dominican a puerto rican and you will probably get punched in the face.

Edit: but then again if you call a straight white guy a f*g you may get a bullet in your head. I think Cannon underestimates straight men's discrimination towards gay men. Its just different with lesbians because most guys approve.

Honu 10-19-2009 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Your ability to conduct the extensive research needed to make all of your broad sociological pronouncements in thousands of areas at once never ceases to amaze.....but you have outdone even yourself in talking out of your ass with this one.
What exactly are you basing this statement on?


Actually from what I have seen at work Mexicans hate Guatamalans more than they hate the Ricans but this is just from a small pool of migrant workers.

Cannon Shell 10-19-2009 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Your ability to conduct the extensive research needed to make all of your broad sociological pronouncements in thousands of areas at once never ceases to amaze.....but you have outdone even yourself in talking out of your ass with this one.
What exactly are you basing this statement on?

Duh, from talking to Puerto Ricans and Mexicans. I have spent the last 25 or so years interacting daily with what you would call Hispanics.

Cannon Shell 10-19-2009 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
this was just for america, not the world. I think Americans would be #1 if it was for the world.. seems like everyone hates Americans even when the rely on us. though muslims would still be close, but it would be for the reasons you wrote. Jews have gotten the bad end of the stick for all of history.

I dont think that Americans are nearly as hated worldwide as we are led to believe.

But my point was that you wrote the post using the viewpoint of a white American male. or at least what your version of what a white American male may think.

Cannon Shell 10-19-2009 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
um it is very true. All you have to do is know a few mexicans or puerto ricans to come up with that one. Same with dominicans.. they hate PR's for the most part. I mean as individuals people can like one another.. but call a dominican a puerto rican and you will probably get punched in the face.

Edit: but then again if you call a straight white guy a f*g you may get a bullet in your head. I think Cannon underestimates straight men's discrimination towards gay men. Its just different with lesbians because most guys approve.

As a straight man with many straight male friends I dont know any that would go out of their way to discriminate against a gay male. And it isnt as though all my friends are completely ...uh..enlightened.

GBBob 10-19-2009 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I dont think that Americans are nearly as hated worldwide as we are led to believe.

But my point was that you wrote the post using the viewpoint of a white American male. or at least what your version of what a white American male may think.

Hated is a strong word...laughed at is more appropriate

brianwspencer 10-19-2009 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
As a straight man with many straight male friends I dont know any that would go out of their way to discriminate against a gay male. And it isnt as though all my friends are completely ...uh..enlightened.

Well you've got good friends then.

You'd be surprised at how pervasive it is.

Cannon Shell 10-19-2009 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Hated is a strong word...laughed at is more appropriate

I thought Obama had that all sorted out?

Antitrust32 10-20-2009 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I dont think that Americans are nearly as hated worldwide as we are led to believe.

But my point was that you wrote the post using the viewpoint of a white American male. or at least what your version of what a white American male may think.


i used my viewpoint

Cannon Shell 10-20-2009 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
i used my viewpoint

You personally have gays third?

Antitrust32 10-20-2009 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You personally have gays third?


Am I supposed to have them first? Yes personally third.. this is just for America not the world. Since 9/11 Muslims have had it the worst here. Black women have it real bad for the most part. Gays are allowed to be bashed on tv, church and anywhere and its allowed to be supported.

Of course its just my opinion.

Cannon Shell 10-20-2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Am I supposed to have them first? Yes personally third.. this is just for America not the world. Since 9/11 Muslims have had it the worst here. Black women have it real bad for the most part. Gays are allowed to be bashed on tv, church and anywhere and its allowed to be supported.

Of course its just my opinion.

http://news.aol.com/article/mob-hit-...s-court/724474

How bad can it be for gays? Even mob hitmen are coming out now.

Antitrust32 10-20-2009 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
http://news.aol.com/article/mob-hit-...s-court/724474

How bad can it be for gays? Even mob hitmen are coming out now.


Lets see, we are not equal citizens in the eyes of the law (cant get married in the vast majority of states let alone a civil union where you can at least get the benefits). The justice department is still allowed to come up with reports that we are equal to pedifiles and incest. Thats what bothers me even more than the marraige thing.. the majority of americans have no problem equating a man who loves another man to a man who will rape a young boy. Its seen as the same thing to a lot of people (including some of my family members). Its just so bogus and causes hate crimes to occur. Losers take pride in beating the crap out of a gay person cause their jeans are too tight. Its the same as a white guys beating up a black guy cause of skin color, or vise versa. Also lots of people dont think gays should have or be around children. They just passed a damn law in Arkansas saying gays cant adopt. So if you are gay and you want kids.. too bad! There are a lot of problems that straight people who dont know a lot about what goes on just shrug off as "no big deal:

Butch lesbians get a lot of hate directed at them also (a friend from college got a black eye and her shirt ripped just cause she walked by a frat house). Gay men have it the worst though. And of course, there are certain parts of the country that are worse about this type of discrimination, and certain parts that are more open minded and accepting.

Cannon Shell 10-20-2009 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Lets see, we are not equal citizens in the eyes of the law (cant get married in the vast majority of states let alone a civil union where you can at least get the benefits). The justice department is still allowed to come up with reports that we are equal to pedifiles and incest. Thats what bothers me even more than the marraige thing.. the majority of americans have no problem equating a man who loves another man to a man who will rape a young boy. Its seen as the same thing to a lot of people (including some of my family members). Its just so bogus and causes hate crimes to occur. Losers take pride in beating the crap out of a gay person cause their jeans are too tight. Its the same as a white guys beating up a black guy cause of skin color, or vise versa. Also lots of people dont think gays should have or be around children. They just passed a damn law in Arkansas saying gays cant adopt. So if you are gay and you want kids.. too bad! There are a lot of problems that straight people who dont know a lot about what goes on just shrug off as "no big deal:

Butch lesbians get a lot of hate directed at them also (a friend from college got a black eye and her shirt ripped just cause she walked by a frat house). Gay men have it the worst though. And of course, there are certain parts of the country that are worse about this type of discrimination, and certain parts that are more open minded and accepting.

But you can be hitmen for the mob! Who wants kids when you can kill for a living!

dellinger63 10-20-2009 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
But you can be hitmen for the mob! Who wants kids when you can kill for a living!

New meaning to 'whistle blower'. :D

miraja2 10-20-2009 01:54 PM

I expect that Chuck is also the expert when it comes to what Peruvian lesbians think about Scandanvian vegetarians .

Cannon Shell 10-20-2009 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
I expect that Chuck is also the expert when it comes to what Peruvian lesbians think about Scandanvian vegetarians .

You dont have to be an expert to pass along basic general information. I did go out with a Peruvian chick for awhile but she wasn't a lesbian or vegetarian.

Not that there is anything wrong with it.....

Antitrust32 10-20-2009 02:10 PM

Vegetarians discriminate against plants.

alysheba4 10-20-2009 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I dont think that Americans are nearly as hated worldwide as we are led to believe.

But my point was that you wrote the post using the viewpoint of a white American male. or at least what your version of what a white American male may think.

.....true shell, in california, in my line of work ( aerospace ) the mexicans and guamalans truely hate ea. other.

GPK 10-20-2009 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Vegetarians discriminate against plants.

Lesbians discriminate against men!!

Antitrust32 10-20-2009 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Lesbians discriminate against men!!


I still cuddled with you! :p

GPK 10-20-2009 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I still cuddled with you! :p

Yes you did and I think I just got a chubby thinking about it :)

miraja2 10-21-2009 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You dont have to be an expert to pass along basic general information.

Do the majority of people in Puerto Rico believe that people who live in Mexico shouldn't be allowed to marry other people who live in Mexico? I ask simply because we already know that the vast majority of heterosexual "white" male voters do not think that homosexual people should be allowed to marry other homosexual people.
There are diffrent types of hate.
For instance, I "hate" Tim Tebow, Barry Bonds, anybody who has ever played sports for KU, Brett Favre, Sarah Palin.....etc. But despite that "hatred," I still think those people deserve the same legal rights that I have. The majority of heterosexual people in this country, on the other hand, probably say that they don't "hate," homosexual people, and some may have homosexual friends, but they do want to prevent them from marrying a person of their choice. To me, that smacks of a very different kind of deep-seeded hate than what I feel for Tim Tebow.....and they are both different than the animosity between some people from Puerto Rico and some people from Mexico.
For me, the various forms of dislike/prejudice/hate make it ridiculous to say that group A hates group B "more" than group C hates group D.

Cannon Shell 10-21-2009 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Do the majority of people in Puerto Rico believe that people who live in Mexico shouldn't be allowed to marry other people who live in Mexico? I ask simply because we already know that the vast majority of heterosexual "white" male voters do not think that homosexual people should be allowed to marry other homosexual people.
There are diffrent types of hate.
For instance, I "hate" Tim Tebow, Barry Bonds, anybody who has ever played sports for KU, Brett Favre, Sarah Palin.....etc. But despite that "hatred," I still think those people deserve the same legal rights that I have. The majority of heterosexual people in this country, on the other hand, probably say that they don't "hate," homosexual people, and some may have homosexual friends, but they do want to prevent them from marrying a person of their choice. To me, that smacks of a very different kind of deep-seeded hate than what I feel for Tim Tebow.....and they are both different than the animosity between some people from Puerto Rico and some people from Mexico.
For me, the various forms of dislike/prejudice/hate make it ridiculous to say that group A hates group B "more" than group C hates group D.

Why does a straight heterosexual man have to "hate" homosexuals to be against gay marriage?

dellinger63 10-21-2009 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Why does a straight heterosexual man have to "hate" homosexuals to be against gay marriage?

Does a straight heterosexual man have to 'hate' women to be against marriage?


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