Lethal Heat possibly running both days of Breeder's Cup
 

Got this update on Twitter, thought it was interesting and abmitious.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...source=twitter

Barry Abrams plans an unprecedented first when the Oak Tree Racing Association hosts the Breeders’ Cup World Championships at Santa Anita on Nov. 6 and 7.

The 55-year-old trainer, noted for successfully running his horses at uncommonly close intervals, intends to start Lethal Heat in the $2 million Ladies’ Classic (gr. I) at 1 1/8 miles on Pro-Ride Friday, Nov. 6, and, if all goes well, run her again in the $1 million Turf Sprint at about 6 1/2 furlongs against males on Saturday, Nov. 7.

"I’m going to run Lethal Heat in the Ladies’ Classic on Friday and down the hill on Saturday," said Abrams, apparently not expecting Zenyatta to defend her crown in the Ladies’ Classic. "They do it in other countries. Lethal Heat ran twice last week and finished second both times, once against males in the California Cup Classic, and then against Zenyatta, and she’s a great horse.

Lethal Heat, a 4-year-old California-bred daughter of Unusual Heat, finished second to the undefeated champion mare Zenyatta at equal weights in the Lady’s Secret Stakes (gr. I) on Saturday. Overall, Lethal Heat has a 6-2-5 record from 16 career starts, with earnings of $655,988 for owners Barry Abrams, Madeline Auerbach or Ron McCauley.

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lol. Lethal Heat is good, but give her more spacing than one day geez

It the races were reversed, I might not think it was so crazy. I really hope she has some success though and slap all the spaced race people in the face.

Many moons ago at Trinity Meadows there was a trainer named Weaver (I think?) who used to do this. He did it with a stakes caliber horse and the horse won both races. I can't say I've seen it done ever since save Golden Man, so perhaps this will give Rick Dutrow something extra to shoot at.

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What an idiot!

And Golden Man finished third and then second in grade three races at 8.5f.

Back in the day, races were run in heats. They'd run, then have about and hour and run again. Then they would run a tie breaker if need be another hour later. Oh, and each heat was often as long as 4 miles.

I realize that in today's game, things like this are not done. But that doesn't mean that they can't be done and I don't think it makes the guy an idiot. He just thinks different. If Rachel had still been with her previous owner, we wouldn't have seen her do the magnificent things she's done. If Zenyatta was owned by Lukas, we would have seen her do differnent things. Different people have different ideas. I've seen two 2yos win the grade one Nunthorpe Stakes in Europe against older males. The first one I saw do it was Lyric Fantasy, a 2yo filly. The second one was Kingsgate Native, who was a maiden at the time. I don't want to hear about how it's grass racing and it's different. If any trainer here was to take a 2yo filly or a 2yo maiden and put them into the BC Turf Sprint, he'd be called an idiot.

And when the horse snaps a front leg,get ready for PETA.

I really hate when I read silly statements like this. You do know that horses that don't run on back to back days sometimes snap legs too right? You do know that Golden Man didn't snap his leg right?

I don't think she'll snap her leg, I'm just guessing that Lethal Heat might be tired.

But maybe she will show us what she is made of and run in the money in both races.

Shes solid, but I highly doubt she runs in the $ in either race.

I'd love to see this, I would probably use her in the down the hill race.

And was completely finished after that

Dont.

I plan on calling you anyways after you nailed Desert Code for your only bet of the day. :)

Missed the wedding...dont be there for the funeral!

He's not still racing?

Barry Abrams is a loon . Poor chap.

An interesting sidebar to this will be the medication issue.

Perhaps it will be lost on the CHRB, and they won't even bother to monitor it, but essentially, Lethal Heat will have to run the 2nd race without the benefit of a 24 hr prerace treatment.

The Distaff will be the last BC race Friday, sometime in the afternoon, while the Turf Sprint will be early in the card Saturday.

As I understand it, the prerace treatment is 24hr prior to post time (in fact, some mules were scratched at Pomona this past meet for getting treated 23 hours out by mistake), so the timeframe doesn't allow for a 24hr treatment to be administered legally.

So no lasix if she runs in the Turf Sprint?

Lasix is 3 hours I think, not 24.

Lasix can't be given closer than 4 hours before the race, and the "24-hour medications" of importance is that one non-steroidal anti-inflammatory can be given at appropriate dose (bute, flunixin, ketoprofen).

Shouldn't be a big thing for the second day unless she comes out a little sore post-race, but I imagine the vet would then scratch her Saturday morning if so.

There are also permitted vitamins, electrolytes, and anti-ulcer meds that can be given 24 hours out.

The California Horse Racing Board rules, and rulings (who's in the dog house, who got positives, etc) are all on-line for the public to see.

That will be the least of her worries

Yeah getting 40 beyers for 7500

After his back to back day races in which he ran 3rd and 2nd in graded stakes getting 90+ Beyers, his next race he got beat 18 lengths in Wv with a 75. After that he got beat 19 in the Pegasus with a 64. Soon after was getting beat in straight 3 year old claiming races.

Golden Man was a product of whatever Dutrow was up to then.and he raced like 30 times after making a fair amount of money.

Isn't he going to bred the mare anyway this winter. If so who cares she will have 20 years to recover. While I do get the need to do what he is doing, its not like the end of the world.

How old is Golden Man now? I think he was at least 5 when he did those 3 in 10 days.
p.s.- I thought this thread was a joke when I saw the title yesterday. Whoops.

Not according to Byk..he just refered to Abrams as a "genius" on his program:zz:

Damn right he is...

They should run her in the distaff and the classic.

Not only is Barry Abrams a genius, he's one of the truly great people in the industry. What he's accomplished since coming to this country is simply remarkable.

You know you questioned Lava Man coming back into training wondering (rightfully so) what the ramifications could be if he were to break down.. While I am with you that Abrams is OK running her back to back one must be somewhat consisent and suggest that if something happened to the mare in the second race the industry would be in HARMS WAY with the horsey lovers..

Is this a Lethal Heats connections are cool and Lava Man's aren't situation? I am not saying it is but it sure tastes like chicken..lol

And what would that be exactly? Latching on to the teat (or some other body part?...) of Unusual Heat?

Is there something going on with the replay Steve? In the past the only time I have a problem with a connection to the stream (7pm replay) is when you have a best-of day and maybe they don't rerun it or something. I find out the next day there was no show, but here you obviously did one.

I wanted to hear what you had to say about Lethal Heat and now I can't. :confused:

First of all, I believe under current BC rules, he can pre-enter the 2 races but has to commit on entry day to one or the other. Then even if he could run in both, if you heard him today, he explained the circumstances under which he would do it.. a troubled, undemanding trip in the Distaff. It's a diabolically brilliant idea because it promotes talk about Unusual Heat and how durable and versatile his offspring are...

And a Lethal Heat running on consecutive days and what's going on with Lava Man is apples and oranges.

This pretty much indicates that you know little of Abrams' background.

And he is 100% responsible for Unusual Heat's success. He identified him and believed in his potential.

M,

Thx for the heads up... I'll check. I know K.C. was working with one of the computer's after the show...