Cocoa Beach Had To Come Down
 

I had nothing on the race but if you come over and literally slam into another horse and squeeze them back, you come down.

If the horse isn't 3/4 or Dubai connections does the horse come down?

UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

The call of the race was pretty bad. He never picked up that horse on the inside (My Baby Baby).

If you watch the head on the incident occurs right when the shot goes from behind the field on the turn to the stretch shot so its tough to get a really good look at it. Although she was lugging coming into the lane it looked like the horse inside her was coming out a bit as well. She was best anyway so the call was probably right though she still didn't look nearly like the horse she was last year.

Nonsense, she literally took as hard a left turn into the 10 as you could take. That wasn't even close. The problem here is there seems to be no rhyme or reason to DQs anymore.

it depends in ny if the stewards like you or not randall , if they like you , you stay up , if they don't , well then you com down

I seen horses stay up that had no business or did far worse than what Harlem Rocker did to Talk of Ekati last year at the Big A , but, because it was TP the horse comes down with no explanation

You dont think it has anything to do with who they bet in the race?

stewards are not allowed to bet :D :D

I dont think that was as bad as Miss catalyst who won Sunday's 1st race. She should have been taken down. Nate and I were at the bar watching that and I said to him I bet you $100 that horse comes down. Luckily for me he didnt take the bet.

I would have flipped had they taken down the 8 (from 2nd place) in the 1st.

I havent seen this race in question, but your right. It seems it's who you are that dictates whether you move or not.

I needed her to come down.

"Mettee, who didn't wait around for the win photo, said he was concerned about being disqualified "a little bit because it was pretty obvious she did shift in. Ramon was pretty confident because he said it looked a little worse than it really was."

---I guess so.

That's racing, sometimes. N.Y. stewards don't take them down very often. Didn't look that bad to me.

If Dee Tee owned her instead of GODolphin, she would have came down.

Clearly Mettee is as good as watching horse races as he is at managing the Godolphin Stable.

Disqualifying Cocoa Beach today would have been one of the worst decisions the stews in NY have made in years. The supposed contact stemmed from an inside move by My Baby Baby off the rail turning for home. The appearance of Cocoa Beach coming in was more the horses to her inside being forced out.

NT

Nick...pretty sure it was Lezcano on the 10 who claimed foul against both Dominguez and Albarado.

Ah, OK. My mistake.

Thanks!

NT

Agree to disagree. I have yet to see any angle that gives credence to this theory.

Kudos to the NYRA stewards. If this were CALI, they'd take down half the field.

I think the point where the horses enter the stretch, especially on the turf, needs to be treated similarly to the break. Typically, they're bunched and they have momentum from the turn and its difficult to keep them straight. Factor in early lead changes, and many of them are all over the place.

Here's the point: there's the length of the stretch for horses to recover from minor incidents. If they do so, they deserve to win. If they don't, they probably wouldn't have won anyway. If a horse gets shut off because it's been behind, sucking up, the entire race, TOUGH!! Those are the breaks. The jocks need to figure out how to work their way through traffic -- it's not like they've done any running to that point anyway, typically.

I'm all for just letting them ride/run at this point and taking my chances with my jockey RATHER than the stewards. Last thing horseplayers need at this point is MORE takedowns.

Complete garbage on this one.....

If you smack a horse earlier than the stretch and it is clearly a foul that robs a horse of momentum and "energy" to run for lack of a clearer term and the offending horse finishes ahead of the horse fouled. With the vague exception of a gate foul he comes DOWN. No more BS....the last thing horse players need is more races ruined by excuses for why a foul does not factor into a placing...enough of these damn excuses based on California decisions. Just call the race fairly and stop worrying about how many times and what damn circuit is involved. Maiden or stakes, turf or dirt a damn foul is a foul...

I didn't see it, but I heard the coverage on Steve's show. It would have made my day as I had the place horse to win on an exacta and trifecta at nice odds.

But they never would have got us out of the winner's circle.

And why do the stewards care more about Godolphin horses than any other? Foolish logic. How many of you on here have had conversations with stewards, ever?

Love it when people pull the "talk to the stewards" rank game...As if a fan can't watch a race and have an opinion on whether an infraction was made. You're silly indeed....Open question on the connections, about 3 years ago, a Shug horse had to be taken down to a Goldberg horse in an allowance sprint. It wasn't even close. He stayed up. Always seems to be connections make a difference.

And I love it when people pull the "so and so owns a horse and the stewards LOVE them, so there's no way they take that horse down..."

I'm not suggesting you talk to the stewards about the incident, just wondering if you have ever been privy to a discussion with a steward about any DQ and things they look for.

In a takedown, there is always a winner and always a loser - for connections and bettors. It is patently absurd to think the stewards play favorites to owners...where would it end?

Phipps
IEAH
Shadwell
Godolphin
Barry Schwartz
Repole
Winning Move
Karakorum

All that having been said, I believe racing jurisdictions should require stewards to explain the rationale for their decisions as is done...oh...everywhere ELSE in the horse racing world save the US and Canada.

The precedent has been set let's just hope they remain consistent the entire meet. Evidence CV's ride on City Sneakers today.

If Cocoa Beach got taken down, that would have set a bad precedent for turf racing, especially in bug fields. Bumping and shifting in happens all the time and if she were to have come down, you could easily make a case for about 1/3rd of all turf races run with big fields. Horses losing momentum happens all the time in this type of race.

I think a better case could have been made if it happened closer to the line and there werent another horse who came in on Cocoa Beach setting a chain reaction.

A similar type inquiry happened last summer with Frankel's Country Star winning by a very small margin in a race on the turf. There was a claim of foul against her, and she didnt come down. The incident happened right before the wire and a good case could have been made for her to come down, but it was after all a heavy favorite trained by a very popular trainer. I cant believe people dont think who the horse is trained by/owned by has nothing to do with the decision.

How about Todd Pletcher's Miss Catalyst not coming down in the 1st on Sunday? That was about as textbook as a DQ can get.

timmy that's non-sense , they took down Harlem Rocker in nov against Talk of Ekati , there was a similar infraction a few week later and the horse stayed up. The only thing consistent about the NYRA stewards is their in-consistency

Thats true, and I couldnt have said it better myself.

I remember that one and it bothered me because of the inconsistency of the stewards. I can't remember the exact call prior to this race but needless to say I was on the wrong end of both calls and at the time remembering why they didn't remain consistent. As a horseplayer that's all you want, a reasonable explanation and more importantly consistent decision making.

You guys are starting to open old wounds ...<sigh>

if jerry bailey was on the 3 the 2 would have come down. in the day..but it was a good no call..the 2 was best..i needed the 3 and did not feel cheated..id rather they take out the real killers than the small brushes..

I actually needed the heavily favored Country Star to stay up that day for a pick 3, but I was with a friend who badly needed that 2nd place horse. We were by the winner''s circle and were able to watch the jockeys state their cases. I thought for sure she was coming down.

Usually I am on the wrong end of inquiry's/DQs. Most notably and painfully in the Arlington Million the "first time" Powerscourt won, but was controversially taken down. Cost me a ton, and then I had to endure a dinner with friends, who have no clue how much I bet or had riding on that result.

Which begs the question when the 1st DQ (I'm assuming there hasn't been one yet)comes this meet and it will come, I'm wondering just what type of call it will be. I'm all for consistency, it's when the selective dq that comes out of left field happens that is when it really bothers me.

I'm okay with Cocoa Beach staying up given there has been no precedent set this meet, trust me I lost a few with the non call but given the context of the rules it would have been a tough call to make. Now if another horse gets into the same position and fouls a horse in an identical way later in the meet and is taken down then I think the Stewards should be made to explain themselves. You just can't selectively decide to push the DQ button whenever you please, whether it's a high profile race or a 20K claimer. Hope it doesn't happen but I have little faith given their history.