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2MinsToPost 08-01-2009 04:57 PM

Props To Mike Smith
 
Right after the race he mans up and says it was my fault. Chip Wooley always seems to be a cool cat as well.

10 pnt move up 08-01-2009 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost
Right after the race he mans up and says it was my fault. Chip Wooley always seems to be a cool cat as well.

They came home in 14, to me the horse sucks. I hope he gets bet off the comments in the Travers.

Maybe Big Drama just is a sprinter, that was an easy lead on a speed track, that is pretty weak

dellinger63 08-01-2009 06:57 PM

guess the questions of why Calvin got off etc will cease. Borail turns out to be the smartest of the bunch.

TheSpyder 08-01-2009 06:59 PM

Got to agree although letening to him and seeing him well up at a drop of a coin a little disconcerning. I bet he's a great poker player.
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Originally Posted by dellinger63
guess the questions of why Calvin got off etc will cease. Borail turns out to be the smartest of the bunch.


Left Bank 08-01-2009 07:15 PM

This horse needs a very patient rider.I think these guys are just moving way too early with MTB.He needs the most patient jockey in the biz right now,Mr.Ramon Dominguez.He'd get him home in time!

hurricanefrank 08-01-2009 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost
Right after the race he mans up and says it was my fault. Chip Wooley always seems to be a cool cat as well.

He's a stand up guy. That's for sure. In this case, however, I don't think fault played a role in MTB's loss; MTB just wasn't good enough today. He simply couldn't match strides with the winner and is looking like a horse who needs the table set for him.

King Glorious 08-01-2009 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
guess the questions of why Calvin got off etc will cease. Borail turns out to be the smartest of the bunch.

I don't see how. It's not like Warrior's Reward did anything special today. Out of the two going forward to the Travers, I'd take MTB.

DaTruth 08-01-2009 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Left Bank
This horse needs a very patient rider.I think these guys are just moving way too early with MTB.He needs the most patient jockey in the biz right now,Mr.Ramon Dominguez.He'd get him home in time!

Maybe they ought to be looking at buying a rabbit for MTB.

CSC 08-01-2009 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth
Maybe they ought to be looking at buying a rabbit for MTB.

Interesting comment from Left Bank regarding RD, also the rabbit part, in truth MTB resembles Better Talk Now in many ways, I would say it wasn't coincidental that only when he got the right rider that he started winning all those grade 1's, he had Douglas and Prado among others on him and none were able to get as much out of him then RD. Shake the Bank deserves only a smigeon of that credit as he set up the race for other horses as well as BTN.

RockHardTen1985 08-01-2009 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
guess the questions of why Calvin got off etc will cease. Borail turns out to be the smartest of the bunch.


Im still think Warriors Reward is really good. Calvin realized that early on.

Danzig 08-02-2009 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost
Right after the race he mans up and says it was my fault. Chip Wooley always seems to be a cool cat as well.


it would have been better had he not had to apologize.

dellinger63 08-02-2009 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I don't see how. It's not like Warrior's Reward did anything special today. Out of the two going forward to the Travers, I'd take MTB.

I'll still take Calvin and his mount that day!

Handicappy 08-02-2009 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by hurricanefrank
He's a stand up guy. That's for sure. In this case, however, I don't think fault played a role in MTB's loss; MTB just wasn't good enough today. He simply couldn't match strides with the winner and is looking like a horse who needs the table set for him.

He moved way too early. He was moving on the backside. With him you can't do that and expect him to have juice in the stretch. Patience and he wins.

Handicappy 08-02-2009 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
it would have been better had he not had to apologize.

I think he should. Calvin's ride at Belmont proves that he certainly isn't the brightest bulb on the string. He has a good agent who must direct his every move.

dalakhani 08-02-2009 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Handicappy
He moved way too early. He was moving on the backside. With him you can't do that and expect him to have juice in the stretch. Patience and he wins.

He didnt have much choice from what i saw. Big Drama was on the lead, alone and getting weight in a small field. If he doesnt use him at all, big drama probably gets out by 15-20 lengths all alone on a track favoring speed with a stretch that isnt exactly Churchill downs.

Besides, the winner started at the same time and was simply able to sustain his drive longer.

i agree with Hurricane Frank to a degree.

Danzig 08-02-2009 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Handicappy
I think he should. Calvin's ride at Belmont proves that he certainly isn't the brightest bulb on the string. He has a good agent who must direct his every move.


what i meant was that he should have ridden the horse correctly- not that he shouldn't have owned up to making a mistake.

King Glorious 08-02-2009 01:58 PM

He did ride the horse correctly. There's not a single person alive that would have thought going into that far turn that Big Drama was going to come back to them the way he did. Smith had to go at the point that he did in order to give himself any chance. The fact that the horse didn't have enough to get the job done doesn't mean that Smith didn't move at the right time with him.

Danzig 08-02-2009 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
He did ride the horse correctly. There's not a single person alive that would have thought going into that far turn that Big Drama was going to come back to them the way he did. Smith had to go at the point that he did in order to give himself any chance. The fact that the horse didn't have enough to get the job done doesn't mean that Smith didn't move at the right time with him.

i think he started pushing him too soon-no horse can sustain a long drive. BUT, you'd think he could have won anyhow, considering who did win.

10 pnt move up 08-02-2009 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i think he started pushing him too soon-no horse can sustain a long drive. BUT, you'd think he could have won anyhow, considering who did win.

exactly, thats the point, even with having to move to early once they started walking home he should have jogged on by....but for the next month they can say its the ride, I hope he sucks lots of money in the Travers.

brianwspencer 08-02-2009 03:47 PM

I thought he rode the right race. He's a good guy who it seems would take the blame for something like that, but he moves then and loses and it's his fault...he waits and Drama doesn't come back, or Soul Warrior gets the jump and he's a few strides too late, and then it's his fault for letting them get away.

He was in a no-win situation, and I think he made the right call.

King Glorious 08-02-2009 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i think he started pushing him too soon-no horse can sustain a long drive. BUT, you'd think he could have won anyhow, considering who did win.

What about the horse that won the race? Where did he start making his move? I thought Smith went when he had to. If he waits a little longer and comes up a 1/2 length short, people would say that he waited too long. I thought it was timed right but the horse, coming off the layoff, was a little short and that's what got him beat.

boswd 08-02-2009 03:52 PM

I agree Mike Smith is a stand up guy, one of my favorites but he is just not the right jockey for this horse, If RA doesn't go in the Traver's I would like to see Calvin back on MTB, but Ramon was a nice suggestions as well, but I think with this type of race MTB needs a familar face on board

dalakhani 08-02-2009 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd
I agree Mike Smith is a stand up guy, one of my favorites but he is just not the right jockey for this horse, If RA doesn't go in the Traver's I would like to see Calvin back on MTB, but Ramon was a nice suggestions as well, but I think with this type of race MTB needs a familar face on board

Not the right jockey because the horse has lost twice while he is aboard? Is it in the realm of possibility that the horse might not have been good enough to win on either of those days? Or is it just easier to say its the jock's fault?

Was it Borel's fault in the Belmont?

Danzig 08-02-2009 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
What about the horse that won the race? Where did he start making his move? I thought Smith went when he had to. If he waits a little longer and comes up a 1/2 length short, people would say that he waited too long. I thought it was timed right but the horse, coming off the layoff, was a little short and that's what got him beat.


i don't think mine that bird can make that kind of move-he loses his closing kick when he has to start closing that far from the finish. it's what got him beat at belmont. it worked well for the winner, but not for him. had smith waited til MTB gets to his sweet spot-he may still have come up short. who knows?
he won once when no one else fired, he's closed a few times since into the money-which is what closers do. i think he's just not that good, as was shown yesterday. he needs everything just right.

10 pnt move up 08-02-2009 04:26 PM

Everyone....Lets say he got the perfect trip, all horses should get that benefit

lets say it happened and he won, it still would have been a very poor effort in a slow time and low figure, your supposed to bet that at 4/1 or so in the Travers? No thanks. What if the rider whats another half furlong or so he is going to draw off by 8-10 for a good figure effort? Come on, the kool aid is tasty in here.

letswastemoney 08-02-2009 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
Everyone....Lets say he got the perfect trip, all horses should get that benefit

lets say it happened and he won, it still would have been a very poor effort in a slow time and low figure, your supposed to bet that at 4/1 or so in the Travers? No thanks. What if the rider whats another half furlong or so he is going to draw off by 8-10 for a good figure effort? Come on, the kool aid is tasty in here.

considering the jump from his Sunland figure to KD, maybe?

10 pnt move up 08-02-2009 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
considering the jump from his Sunland figure to KD, maybe?

bet away in a month then, I dont see it

eajinabi 08-02-2009 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Im still think Warriors Reward is really good. Calvin realized that early on.

Warriors Reward last three races are all toses.

boswd 08-02-2009 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Not the right jockey because the horse has lost twice while he is aboard? Is it in the realm of possibility that the horse might not have been good enough to win on either of those days? Or is it just easier to say its the jock's fault?

Was it Borel's fault in the Belmont?


Watching Mike Smith ride MTB is like watching Michael Scott joke around with minorities .

Cannon Shell 08-02-2009 10:50 PM

Was it Borel's fault in the Belmont?




Yes

RockHardTen1985 08-02-2009 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi
Warriors Reward last three races are all toses.


The Dwyer ?

chucklestheclown 08-03-2009 12:04 AM

Mike Smith is no Aaron Gryder.

eajinabi 08-03-2009 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
The Dwyer ?

All races he ran except for those that he won are all tosses. He is a much much better horse than all his loses should indicate.


Sarcasm Level: Very High


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