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Immanuel Kant 07-22-2009 05:51 PM

Denman trying hard; (Bejarano-Multiple facial fractures)
 
don't get me wrong...I play California.

but it is slightly bizarre listening to Denman pulling out all the stops...

"moving like a winner"
"the more they asked the more he gave"


..when the racing is (to be polite) less than stellar.

I know it's openiing day, but they're running 10,000 claimers!

10 pnt move up 07-22-2009 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Immanuel Kant
don't get me wrong...I play California.

but it is slightly bizarre listening to Denman pulling out all the stops...

"moving like a winner"
"the more they asked the more he gave"


..when the racing is (to be polite) less than stellar.

I know it's openiing day, but they're running 10,000 claimers!

stop complaining, 10k claimers are horses too!

Is Bejarano breathing after that fall?

Immanuel Kant 07-22-2009 06:00 PM

taken to hospital for x-rays

randallscott35 07-22-2009 06:18 PM

That breakdown made me sick. ****ing a.

Sightseek 07-22-2009 09:04 PM

Terrible spill. Update on Bejarano's condition:

http://www.drf.com/news/article/105730.html

NTamm1215 07-22-2009 09:24 PM

Jay Privman never misses an opportunity to recognize Trevor's return to the booth:

"The biggest celebrity at Del Mar, though, is Trevor Denman, the race commentator who has become a fan favorite after calling here for more than 25 years. His classy, assured voice, absent from this circuit for the past three months, got the crowd excited with anticipation as the field neared the gate for the start of the first race, run at one mile on Polytrack, right in front of the grandstand. Moments later, when the field was dispatched by starter Gary Brinson, a loud cheer went up.

"There's the roar from the crowd," Denman shouted, emphasizing the word "roar." "The 2009 Del Mar meeting is underway.""

NT

SCUDSBROTHER 07-22-2009 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Terrible spill. Update on Bejarano's condition:

http://www.drf.com/news/article/105730.html

Don't think that Calracing.com is gunna have that replay up. Compound fracture seems an awfully tame name for that ugly mess.

the_fat_man 07-22-2009 09:42 PM

They really need to get with the TRAKUS NORTH (WO) program and show the numbers around the track. This would allow those not interested in hearing THE MUMBLER to mute the audio.

When you listen to Stauffer for a while, you get a full appreciation of how bad Denman and Durkin are.

The game is hard enough to beat, do we really need to put up with these buffoons just to watch a race?

Take the marbles out of your mouth Trevor. And, try speaking up occasionally. And, Tom, put the damn danish down.

jballscalls 07-22-2009 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Jay Privman never misses an opportunity to recognize Trevor's return to the booth:

"The biggest celebrity at Del Mar, though, is Trevor Denman, the race commentator who has become a fan favorite after calling here for more than 25 years. His classy, assured voice, absent from this circuit for the past three months, got the crowd excited with anticipation as the field neared the gate for the start of the first race, run at one mile on Polytrack, right in front of the grandstand. Moments later, when the field was dispatched by starter Gary Brinson, a loud cheer went up.

"There's the roar from the crowd," Denman shouted, emphasizing the word "roar." "The 2009 Del Mar meeting is underway.""

NT

He does it every year. one year he put that Trevor was "sorely missed on this circuit since april" i think it's more of a cheap shot at Vic than him loving Trevor. don't get me wrong everyone loves Trevor, me included, but that once sentence he puts in every year, and it serves no purpose.

hockey2315 07-22-2009 10:33 PM

I'm not a huge fan of either, but I'd MUCH rather listen to Vic than Trevor.

westcoastinvader 07-22-2009 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
That breakdown made me sick. ****ing a.

The last time I was in Del Mar for racing a couple years back many of the locals who knew very little about racing could readily tell me how many horses had broken down so far at the meet.

-BT- 07-23-2009 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Terrible spill. Update on Bejarano's condition:

http://www.drf.com/news/article/105730.html


ugh, jaw, nose, orbital bone.... thats awful, he's gonna be on the shelf for a while

-bt-

Split Rock 07-23-2009 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man
They really need to get with the TRAKUS NORTH (WO) program and show the numbers around the track. This would allow those not interested in hearing THE MUMBLER to mute the audio.

When you listen to Stauffer for a while, you get a full appreciation of how bad Denman and Durkin are.

The game is hard enough to beat, do we really need to put up with these buffoons just to watch a race?

Take the marbles out of your mouth Trevor. And, try speaking up occasionally. And, Tom, put the damn danish down.

Bashing race callers is on par with tripping handicap people. They are easy targets. I'm betting the 'ol fat man has done zip in his life that required any talent....thus the easy shot (from his living room, in his boxers, mind you) at those that do have said talent.

Travis Stone 07-23-2009 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Split Rock
They are easy targets.

It comes with the territory, but we all know that going in. jballscalls bashes me daily on his "Beem Me Up" radio show or whatever he's calling it.

Ronnie 07-23-2009 08:29 AM

I wonder if O'Neill feels an ounce of remorse for what happened to Bejarano.

jballscalls 07-23-2009 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone
It comes with the territory, but we all know that going in. jballscalls bashes me daily on his "Beem Me Up" radio show or whatever he's calling it.

I'm just trying to get you back for snapping my pocket aces with 38 offsuit and that other garbage you play!!

jballscalls 07-23-2009 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie
I wonder if O'Neill feels an ounce of remorse for what happened to Bejarano.

Of course he feels bad. I mean I don't know either party personally, but every trainer i've ever known thats had a horse go down has felt awful about the horse, the grooms, the owners and the riders. It's a no win situation and it sucks for everyone.

Coach Pants 07-23-2009 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Split Rock
Bashing race callers is on par with tripping handicap people. They are easy targets. I'm betting the 'ol fat man has done zip in his life that required any talent....thus the easy shot (from his living room, in his boxers, mind you) at those that do have said talent.

You know this could be turned into an endless cycle. Like I could take your post and turn it around on you and ask what color s&k tie are you wearing and whatnot.

CSC 07-23-2009 10:29 AM

This is one race I missed watching(no replay), judging by the reactions maybe that is a good thing. Sounds like a Go For Wand or Joe Theisman type of injury, certainly not for the squimish.

Coach Pants 07-23-2009 10:33 AM

From Mullins to O'Neill, 8 years old, still winning, was just a matter of time.

Why Bejarano rides these pigs on a daily basis is beyond me. He clearly doesn't have to.

Gander 07-23-2009 10:35 AM

I like when track announcers call close finishes. Denman and Vic both do this all the time. Durkin wont call something unless its over a half length. He simply leaves it as too close to call or a head bob either way or simply a close finish that could have gone either way. Denman and Vic also both go out of their ways to correctly say the names of the horses too. Thats neat.

randallscott35 07-23-2009 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie
I wonder if O'Neill feels an ounce of remorse for what happened to Bejarano.

Doubt it. Poly won't save horses who shouldn't be racing.

jballscalls 07-23-2009 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
I like when track announcers call close finishes. Denman and Vic both do this all the time. Durkin wont call something unless its over a half length. He simply leaves it as too close to call or a head bob either way or simply a close finish that could have gone either way. Denman and Vic also both go out of their ways to correctly say the names of the horses too. Thats neat.

I agree it's good to call a photo if you are pretty sure you saw it right, but missing one is never a good thing.

It depends greatly on where the announcers booth is. Some tracks its right on the wire, and some are far away from the line. River Downs was right on the line and i think i maybe didn't call 3 photos in 3 years. Portland Meadows i'm atleast 50 or 60 feet up the track from the wire, thus i call a lot more "photos" or "too close to call" as you say.

I mean Keeneland's booth is halfway between the 1/16th pole and finish line, so you'll hear becker call photo finish on races that on TV look pretty clear.

Travis Stone 07-23-2009 01:49 PM

My booth is on the wrong side of the building. I use a large set of strategically placed mirrors to call the race. Similar to those vertical mirror devices used at golf tournaments.

SCUDSBROTHER 07-23-2009 02:22 PM

Honestly, I thought that Bejarano might have been dead. He looked like he got kicked in the head. I was surprised to see him up. Then, he seemed to slowly pass out again(as they were putting the neck brace on.) Maybe there was so much pain that he wished he was dead. A beak like that? Hitting the ground real hard must have been incredible pain.

Gander 07-23-2009 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jballscalls
I agree it's good to call a photo if you are pretty sure you saw it right, but missing one is never a good thing.

It depends greatly on where the announcers booth is. Some tracks its right on the wire, and some are far away from the line. River Downs was right on the line and i think i maybe didn't call 3 photos in 3 years. Portland Meadows i'm atleast 50 or 60 feet up the track from the wire, thus i call a lot more "photos" or "too close to call" as you say.

I mean Keeneland's booth is halfway between the 1/16th pole and finish line, so you'll hear becker call photo finish on races that on TV look pretty clear.

If the booth is in that bad a location, I think its time to move it. I am not talking about the very tight head bobs that one would have to guess on. Talking about the real easy ones that are obvious. Tom to use to call those no problem, but lately he doesnt go out of his way to try and make the call.
Still the greatest "voice" out there and will be missed when he soon retires.

Travis Stone 07-23-2009 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
If the booth is in that bad a location, I think its time to move it. I am not talking about the very tight head bobs that one would have to guess on. Talking about the real easy ones that are obvious. Tom to use to call those no problem, but lately he doesnt go out of his way to try and make the call.
Still the greatest "voice" out there and will be missed when he soon retires.

Moving announcer booth's in terms of potential racetrack capital projects is probably on page 25 of the list of things to do.

10 pnt move up 07-23-2009 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Honestly, I thought that Bejarano might have been dead. He looked like he got kicked in the head. I was surprised to see him up. Then, he seemed to slowly pass out again(as they were putting the neck brace on.) Maybe there was so much pain that he wished he was dead. A beak like that? Hitting the ground real hard must have been incredible pain.

he might have been dead on real dirt, its much softer on the plastic

Coach Pants 07-23-2009 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
he might have been dead on real dirt, its much softer on the plastic

I hope you're being sarcastic.

GBBob 07-23-2009 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
he might have been dead on real dirt, its much softer on the plastic


Jocks will tell you hitting Poly/Rubber is much harder than dirt. There is no bounce and you just stick. Seems like it would be the other way around, but it isn't

alysheba4 07-23-2009 03:04 PM

what about "cushion ":rolleyes:

Gander 07-23-2009 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Moving announcer booth's in terms of potential racetrack capital projects is probably on page 25 of the list of things to do.

I was being sarcastic. I'm sure the location of his booth has zero to do with him not being able or wanting to call the winner of a close finish. He use to all the time. Maybe he got one wrong and decided to play it safe. I've heard Vic get one wrong but it didnt faze him.

Riot 07-23-2009 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Jocks will tell you hitting Poly/Rubber is much harder than dirt. There is no bounce and you just stick. Seems like it would be the other way around, but it isn't

That matches that it's designed to prevent the uncontrolled "slide" of the hoof when meeting the track that contributes to injury.

10 pnt move up 07-23-2009 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
I hope you're being sarcastic.

you should try it, jump of a horse running full speed on dirt and than do it on the poly...the dirt will kick your butt, the poly you only be mildly hurt.

v j stauffer 07-23-2009 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie
I wonder if O'Neill feels an ounce of remorse for what happened to Bejarano.

I wonder if this is the stupidest most unfeeling post I've ever read. Or only #2?

Coach Pants 07-23-2009 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer
I wonder if this is the stupidest most unfeeling post I've ever read. Or only #2?

Bite him.

v j stauffer 07-23-2009 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Bite him.

Exactly!

10 pnt move up 07-24-2009 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by v j stauffer
I wonder if this is the stupidest most unfeeling post I've ever read. Or only #2?

do you think trainers really care about the riders, in general. He probably cares because it was his horse but as Lukas said "these guys are paid well for the choices they make" (i paraphrase)

jballscalls 07-24-2009 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
do you think trainers really care about the riders, in general. He probably cares because it was his horse but as Lukas said "these guys are paid well for the choices they make" (i paraphrase)

of course they do. they work day in and day out with these guys

chucklestheclown 07-24-2009 12:37 AM

Go for it Vic!


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