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Injury Ends career of Pioneerof the Nile
Per Bloodhorse.com "soft tissue injury" has ended his career...
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Uggh. Should've kept him on the Poly.
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Oh what could've been. :rolleyes:
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Somebody put John White on suicide watch...
Just kidding...I like John, just have to give him a little ribbing.:D |
And here I was thinking Pioneerof the Nile's career ended because he stunk. Learn a new thing every day.
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Zayat firing Romans all makes sense now. Zayat was on the phone with Romans and he mentioned that POTN was retired because of an injury. Romans must have said "who cares, he sucks". Zayat channelled his inner Jon White and sacked him.
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And I was looking forward to starting up the Jon White drinking game again later next year when the Strub series starts at Santa Anita! |
This is a crushing blow for racing. When a superstar poly allowance plodder goes down the whole sport suffers. "Tito, pass me a tissue"
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yeah, a horse who earned about 1.7 mil in 8 starts is so worthless:rolleyes:
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I was never a big fan of the horse but I don't see how anyone can knock him. He won 4 graded stakes races in a row and then ran 2nd in the Ky Derby. Like everyone else, I thought that he was beating suspect competition on the West coast, but then the horses he beat out here like I Want Revenge and Papa Clem wen back East and kicked butt. And then POTN goes back and runs 2nd in the Ky Derby. He basically validated that his form on the West coast was legit.
I wouldn't call POTN a great horse but he was certainly one of the top 3 year olds in the country this year. If any of you guys buy horses and even if you have several million dollars to spend over the next 20 years, you could only dream of owning a horse like POTN. He's obviously a very good horse. He's a once in a lifetime horse for most owners. |
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He sure showed Chocolate Candy who was boss.
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In related news, Monba was retired today.
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not comparing POTN to Barbaro. Barbaro would have crushed POTN. But my point is that good horses don't win every race really impressively and by big margins. Zenyatta has even thrown in some relative clunkers. Her race in the Vanity last year, where she was all out to beat Tough Tiz's Sis, wasn't exactly an impressive performance. I was pretty much with you guys early on when it came to POTN. I thought the Hollywood Futurity was one of the weakest Hollywood Futurities that we've ever had. I certainly wasn't a believer in POTN after that race. But after he won his next three races and then ran 2nd in the KY Derby, I finally had to say, "Hey, this horse is alright." He may not be a star, but he's a solid horse that fires practically every time. Not only that, he's run well on every surface. I think POTN turned out to be a much better horse than any of us on here thought he was after the Hollywood Futurity. I'm not ashamed to admit that the horse turned out to be better than I thought he was. |
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There was another Speighstown at Ft Calder that I liked much better than Munnings. His name was Reynaldothewizard. I would have bet you anything that Reynaldo would make more money than Munnings. Reynaldo won first time out but hasn't done much since. He ran 3rd in a Grade II at Saratoga but that was about it. I was totally wrong. With regards to Barbaro, I would agree with you that most of his dirt races were not overly impressive up until the Derby. But in the Derby, he ran huge. |
speightstown is the biggest fabricated overpriced stallion out there. Unless he really changes his tune, hes good for nothing but the occasional precocious speed, and will rarely produce classic distance runners.
Munnings does look good at the moment. He's on my vulcher list but he looks good right now. |
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I guess it just depends what you are looking for. I think Forestry is a pretty good sire but he is expensive and it is unlikely that he is going to produce a Derby winner. If a person is looking for a good miler, Forestry is a good choice. But if you're looking to win the Derby, I would look elsewhere. I think that may have been Bobby's point with Speighstown. I think he was saying that if he was going to spend big money, he would at least want a horse that might be able to win the Derby. I personally liked the way the Speighstowns worked at the sales last year. After FT Calder last year, I posted here that the two freshman sires I was most impressed with were Lion Heart and Speighstown. Even though The Speighstowns were very fast and were very nice movers, some of the conformation experts thought they could have soundness issues. From the 2 year old sales this year my favorite freshman sire was Rock Hard Ten. I thought most of them had a really nice way of going. There are some other freshman sires that look a little more precocious but overall I liked RHT the best. |
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I tell you what...In the last 5 years there hasn't been a sire as hot as Speightstown.. I remember a race on Oaks day it was a NW1x and it featured 5 Speightstoen all of which looked like likely Graded winners in the futurs all of which had 80 plus BSF in there brief career.. this stallion book was ok nothing super special, which his current success he will attract a better book and likely more router types.. I hated him as a horse but only a fool would ignore his current success |
well i looked up Speightstown, and Lord Shanakill looks like he is fairly classy and can run in G2 over in England. He's a horse that I've never heard of. I am in no way a pedigree expert, and I usually form generalizations based on when I see the pedigree in the races I happen to handicap. For all I know he could be a great sire...
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What was your knock on him as a racehorse? I know he wasn't very sound but he had a lot of talent. When he was on he could sprint with anyone. I think he is one of the best sprinters we have had in the last 5 years. |
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I challenge...Sure Street Sense was Ok but Speightstown moved up a ton of mares ...Street Cry had a MUCH better first book then Speightstown.. Plus there a ton of Speightstowns on the track doing well and earning.. There are plenty of Street Talk's that can't run a 65 BSF. |
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Lord Shanakill will be coming to the BC if everything stays ok with him. |
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Smart Strike. |
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Smart Strike has been around awhile and wasn't the insta sucess Speightstown and Street Cry were..That doesn't mitigate the Smart Strike is a terrific stallion and smoking hot |
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I haven't looked at the numbers but I thought Lion Heart did better last year than Speighstown. However that could be misleading because I think Lion Heart had about 200 babies in his first year. |
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