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Sightseek 07-01-2009 01:53 PM

7/4-5 (BEL): Suburban (G2); Prioress (G1); Dwyer (G2); Tom Fool (G2)
 
Greatest line-up of stars we've ever seen!

8TH (4:44) Dwyer S. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Warrior's Reward Borel C H 117 L
2 Convocation Garcia Alan 117 L
3 Kensei Prado E S 117 L
4 Masala Velasquez C 117 L
5 American Dance Velazquez J R 117 L
6 Just Ben Maragh R 117 L
7 Sunday Sunrise Dominguez R A 117 L



9TH (5:16) Prioress S. (G1)

6 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Luster Velasquez C 118 L
2 Cat Moves Dominguez R A 116 L
3 Heart Ashley Prado E S 122 L
4 Light Green Velazquez J R 116 L
5 Reforestation Coa E M 116 L
6 Be Fair Garcia Alan 116 L
7 Gabby's Golden Gal Castellano J J 122 L
8 Selva Maragh R 122 L
9 On the Menu Rose J 118 L

A-Coupled: Cat Moves and Light Green



10TH (5:49) Suburban H. (G2)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Finallymadeit Nunez E O 116 L
2 Dry Martini Prado E S 116 L
3 It's a Bird Castellano J J 121 L
4 Asiatic Boy (ARG) Garcia Alan 122 L
5 Stud Muffin Velasquez C 114 L
6 Rising Moon Lezcano J 116 L
7 Real Merchant (CHI) Maragh R 115 L
8 Cool Coal Man Velazquez J R 116 L
9 Ready's Echo Dominguez R A 114 L
10 Samhoon Coa E M 112 L



SUNDAY 9TH (5:17) Tom Fool H. (G2)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Fabulous Strike Dominguez R A 123 L
2 Riley Tucker Lezcano J 114 L
3 The Last Wave Chavez J F 110 L
4 Munnings Velazquez J R 112 L
5 Driven by Success Maragh R 115 L

King Glorious 07-01-2009 01:58 PM

Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles both agree.

Antitrust32 07-01-2009 02:07 PM

wow the dywer is PATHETIC

SniperSB23 07-01-2009 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
wow the dywer is PATHETIC

It's really become a pretty bad race of late. If anyone can name the top three in 2006 or 2008 without cheating I will be incredibly impressed.

declansharbor 07-01-2009 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
It's really become a pretty bad race of late. If anyone can name the top three in 2006 or 2008 without cheating I will be incredibly impressed.

Casino Drive and Mint Lane finished 1-2, but as for the show horse and 2006, I have no clue.

SniperSB23 07-01-2009 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor
Casino Drive and Mint Lane finished 1-2, but as for the show horse and 2006, I have no clue.

You're thinking the Peter Pan.

declansharbor 07-01-2009 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23
You're thinking the Peter Pan.

Wow, your right. I have NO idea what I was thinking. srry bout that

SniperSB23 07-01-2009 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor
Wow, your right. I have NO idea what I was thinking. srry bout that

Easily confused, especially since Mint Lane ran in both.

Gauchos0522 07-01-2009 02:20 PM

Mint Lane won at odds on last year...In '06 Strong Contender won and Da Stoops came in from out west but not sure if he hit the board or not.

SniperSB23 07-01-2009 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gauchos0522
Mint Lane won at odds on last year...In '06 Strong Contender won and Da Stoops came in from out west but not sure if he hit the board or not.

Correct on the winners, Da Stoops was third in '06.

Gauchos0522 07-01-2009 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Correct on the winners, Da Stoops was third in '06.

Last years field was really weak so forgetting the others isn't bugging me but forgetting the place horse in '06 is. Keyed Entry finished last after setting the pace so it must have been a price in 2nd who sucked up late. Now im about to cheat and look it up...

Gander 07-01-2009 02:35 PM

It is a weak field, and so too is the Suburban but both are good betting races and thats all that really counts. If you want quality, turn on Wimbledon and watch what promises to be a historic final on Sunday morning (Fed & Murray).

hockey2315 07-01-2009 02:37 PM

The Suburban can't possibly be as speed laden as it looks on paper, can it?

Gander 07-01-2009 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
The Suburban can't possibly be as speed laden as it looks on paper, can it?

I dont have the PPs, just going off of memory, but doesnt the Cool Coal Man and Samhoon look like the controlling speeds?

Interesting Samhoon is entered here as well as that race on Friday against Discreet Traseure for 1/4 the money, where he is not up to be claimed.

My gut tells me Samhoon will try the Suburban, making that race on Friday very unbettable.

hockey2315 07-01-2009 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
I dont have the PPs, just going off of memory, but doesnt the Cool Coal Man and Samhoon look like the controlling speeds?

Interesting Samhoon is entered here as well as that race on Friday against Discreet Traseure for 1/4 the money, where he is not up to be claimed.

My gut tells me Samhoon will try the Suburban, making that race on Friday very unbettable.

Finallymadeit is a front-runner, It's a Bird is usually close to the pace, Rising Moon has been close in his last two, Real Merchant battled on the lead in his last but usually isn't as close, Cool Coal Man is a speed horse, and Samhoon is a speed/presser type.

declansharbor 07-01-2009 02:48 PM

Anyone think that Kensei will appreciate the added ground?

On another note, I was watching the replay of the Woody Stephens last night and had to rewind (many times) the part when they were coming off of the turn onto the straight. It looked like Munnings was going to drop to the tail of the pack, until he SHOT through the opening hole. A SERIOUS move. Any idea what he'll go off as in the Tom Fool?

Gander 07-01-2009 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Finallymadeit is a front-runner, It's a Bird is usually close to the pace, Rising Moon has been close in his last two, Real Merchant battled on the lead in his last but usually isn't as close, Cool Coal Man is a speed horse, and Samhoon is a speed/presser type.

Thanks- I completely overlooked Finallymadeit. He will be on the lead, like he always is. I think you'll see Rising Moon take back in this spot.

Gander 07-01-2009 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor
Anyone think that Kensei will appreciate the added ground?

On another note, I was watching the replay of the Woody Stephens last night and had to rewind (many times) the part when they were coming off of the turn onto the straight. It looked like Munnings was going to drop to the tail of the pack, until he SHOT through the opening hole. A SERIOUS move. Any idea what he'll go off as in the Tom Fool?

My guess is Munnings will be the second choice behind Fabulosu Strike, probably around 5/2-3/1. Driven by Success may be slightly overlooked as he has been in his last 2 races.

eajinabi 07-01-2009 06:22 PM

I thought Fluke is running in the suburban

Indian Charlie 07-01-2009 06:41 PM

It's probably getting old by now, but here goes.

Did Finallymadeit have a prep race for the Suburban?

Mike 07-03-2009 08:02 AM

Saturday: Masala and Samhoon
Sunday:Munnings

Bobby Fischer 07-03-2009 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
It's probably getting old by now, but here goes.

Did Finallymadeit have a prep race for the Suburban?

he'll have a say in the raceflow thats a sure thing.

what's with him and the 1post on these certain biased configurations?? He's had a ton of chances this year... hell a ton of races;)

NTamm1215 07-03-2009 10:59 PM

I know these races got understandably derided when first posted here but they are all quite competitive and offer a number of good wagering opportunities.

NT

Bobby Fischer 07-04-2009 10:21 AM

how long has edward p. evans been running things? I've only noticed for like the past 6 months...

hockey2315 07-04-2009 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
how long has edward p. evans been running things? I've only noticed for like the past 6 months...

A long time.

JerseyJ 07-04-2009 10:45 AM

The Prioress has to fall apart with all that speed...I think three horses have a shot in there, Luster, Be Fair, and On the Menu, the only horses who have ever shown any ability to rate and pass horses in the stretch.

King Glorious 07-04-2009 07:19 PM

Anyone still believe It's a Bird is knocking on the door to the upper eschelon of the division?

Nice picking Calvin.

hockey2315 07-04-2009 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious
Anyone still believe It's a Bird is knocking on the door to the upper eschelon of the division?

Nice picking Calvin.

Calvin?

King Glorious 07-04-2009 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Calvin?

Warrior's Reward, 0-his career in stakes attempts over the Derby winner.

hockey2315 07-04-2009 07:23 PM

I'm not much of a Warrior's Reward fan, but the race is a toss.

eajinabi 07-04-2009 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
I'm not much of a Warrior's Reward fan, but the race is a toss.

A toss? Did he run into trouble? I did not watch the race

King Glorious 07-04-2009 07:29 PM

He lost. Again. That automatically means it's a toss. Keep all wins, toss all losses.

hockey2315 07-04-2009 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eajinabi
A toss? Did he run into trouble? I did not watch the race

Stumbled badly at the start and rallied late to finish 3rd.

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious
He lost. Again. That automatically means it's a toss. Keep all wins, toss all losses.

So you don't think he had a valid excuse. Personally, I think he's more of a closing sprinter type, but it's ludicrous to try to formulate any new opinions of the horse based on today's effort.

King Glorious 07-04-2009 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Stumbled badly at the start and rallied late to finish 3rd.



So you don't think he had a valid excuse. Personally, I think he's more of a closing sprinter type, but it's ludicrous to try to formulate any new opinions of the horse based on today's effort.

You're probably right. That's why I'm keeping the same one I had of him before today's race.

hockey2315 07-04-2009 07:38 PM

Then I guess we agree.

Bobby Fischer 07-04-2009 08:41 PM

"lets disagree to agree"

:D

Sightseek 07-05-2009 12:37 PM

Fabulous Strike scratched.

10 pnt move up 07-05-2009 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
Fabulous Strike scratched.

scratched because the trainer did not like the setup? Is that a joke? You have to love racing.

NTamm1215 07-05-2009 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
scratched because the trainer did not like the setup? Is that a joke? You have to love racing.

Todd Beattie pulled a Frankel.

NT

Gander 07-05-2009 02:05 PM

Its too bad. I would have bet Driven to Success to win even if FS stayed in.
Was looking at maybe as high as 4/1...now DTS becomes the obvious favorite at probably around 1/2 or 3/5...and on paper looks like he cant lose, but you know how these things turn out.


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