Will You Please Ride My Horse? (Again)
 

http://www.drf.com/news/article/105087.html

Basically, the article says that Borel has given a two race committment to some other people to ride their horse. The two races they plan on running the other horse (Warrior's Reward) are the Dwyer this weekend and the Jim Dandy.....on the same day as Mine that Bird is planned on running in the WV Derby. Woolley is saying he's going to ask for a firm committment in the next day or two.

So my question is if you ride the Derby winner and think he's such a good little horse, why are you making multi-race committments to other horses that could be pointed to races on the same day or even to the same races? I think it either comes down to Borel didn't make the committment to the other trainer or if he did, he really doesn't think all that much of Mine that Bird. I wonder which it is? And even if you didn't make this committment, isn't there a chance that Rachel could run in the Travers? I don't understand why Woolley didn't committ to another rider going into the Preakness. Mine that Bird is obviously not going to be Borel's first choice in any potential conflicts.

Woolley may need to send out the Scav signal for this one.

The article answered the question

Borel rides frequently for Wilkes, the longtime protege and business associate of trainer Carl Nafzger, for whom Borel won the 2007 Derby aboard Street Sense. Wilkes trains a large stable and therefore is the source of far more overall business for Borel than Woolley, whose stable is based in New Mexico.

all of this would have been mute king if they had used the jockey from New Mexico at the derby , he would have stayed with the horse threw all 3 legs of the triple crown .....are we supposed to believe that the kid wouldn't have won on MTB in the derby , for gosh sake's he won by 7+ lengths. even if the kid got in trouble in the derby the horse would have still won in KY . does calvin borel equate to 7 or more lengths in a race anywhere at anytime ----i find that very hard to believe

Gales- Any word on who Ricky is riding on Rising Moon in the Suburban?

:eek:

+1

Jackie Davis?

Does Calvin Borel equate to seven lengths; probably not. But you'll never convince me that Mine That Bird wins the Derby with Lambert on him. After all, it was Lambert's questionable rides (with premature middle moves) at Sunland that led to Woolley looking for another rider.

It must be a dark day.

come on what does that mean? do you really believe these small jocks are 7 lengths worse than a jock at Belmont or CD, i mean come on , you know i'm right on this one

if you believe waht chip said after the race , we wanted to let him make 1 big run , we were too close in the sunland , why couldn't the kid from New Mexico not take the horse back and rate , and even if he moved a little later than Borel , he would have won that day with Cajungator on him , as long as the jock didn't fall off that day MTB was a winner , he loved thar peanut butter surface they ran on , the others obviously didn't

I am being serious. Ask him. I dont think any of us liked the way he was ridden the day before Belmont Stakes Day. Look for a new jock to be aboard, but who?

yeah , but , chip didn't blame the kid for either of the rides in sunland. he figured something out in-between the sunland and the derby ..... why couldn't the kid from New Mexico do exactly waht calvin did , why couldn't he take back on derby day if that's what the trainer wanted

tim - it's the horse , stop playing jockeys

Doubtful that he would have sent Mine That Bird through the hole that Calvin did.

FYI, Casey Lambert has been riding for over 20 years. He's hardly a "kid."

NT

Gales kind of reminds me of Freddy at about age 16

i can't disagree with that, but are you 100% certain that if the kid did everything that borel did up to the point in the race when the hole on the rail opened after the final turn and the kid went to the outside instead, explain to me how he couldn't have swung outside of MM and still not won by at least 2 or 3 lengths. Are we to believe that by hitting that hole and going up the rail borel moved that horse up 7 lengths???

i only called him the kid from New Mexico because i didn't remember his name , but i will refer to him as casey going forward

laugh all you want drugs , that horse was not going to lose as long as he had a patient ride in the back , he could have gone 20 wide on the far turn and won that day , they were all going backwards except for 1 horse MTB - he loved the Peanut Butter surface

Warm up the hot tub, invite one of those Manhattan bunnies you work with, grab tomorrow's DRF and pour a couple sifters of brandy. Light up a splif and put some Radiohead on, turn out the lights and just think about tomorrow''s late pick 4 sequence. After she leaves, throw on a pot of coffee and get to work on Thursday's card.

if i was chip , i would never even bother with borel again.

if Kent D rides him in the belmont and calvin rides Summer Bird in the belmont - then who wins? Kent D had to eat crow for a long time for his ride on real quiet , he made Calvin look like a 3rd rate jock who had spent too much time on 42nd st all week instead of at Belmont Park
I guess Calvin didn't get the memo that the belmont is 1 1/2, not 1 1/4 - those NY nights last a lot longer than those night in Cajun country, in fact NY nights never end:D :D

It was more the Jackie Davis thing.

tim remember , a woman is a woman , but , a cigar is a cigar:D :D

you want here number ?

no way, no how gales... you couldnt pay me enough to convince me of this... The kid from New Mexico had BLOWN the last two rides b4 the derby, or maybe he would have had the mount. NO WAY does the kid make the rail move that ONLY boRAIL does.. no way does he bring back MTB like 10 lenghts behind the 19th place horse for the first 6 furlongs.

I'll tell ya what would have happened... MTB would have got in a lot of trouble and finished 6th with making a promising run... if not last because of a premature run on the backside... MTB would have skipped the Preakness (Pioneer of the crappy running would have been the Derby winner).... MTB would have come back in the Belmont with a different jockey (and not borail).. and won at like 50-1 odds.

this I will agree with you on. Not Adam Lambert. Lambert may not have even been able to deal with the pressure of winning a derby or even riding in a derby. Horse would have found trouble and lost.. Calvin was the only guy who would have done what was done IMO... take the horse back like 20 lenghts and make a huge run on the rail.

no one will ever no for sure , maybe i sould call the show and ask steve his opinion , but to me 7 lengths is 7 lengths ---- i mean come on don't you realize Casey could have stopped off for a beer and still have won the race?

you do know that was an accident ,chip wanted to be back , but, not that far back , when he banged the two horses coming out of the gate , calvin just decided to take him way back and out of trouble , how do we know casey wouldn't have made a somewhat similar move?

he wan't losing on that peanut butter surface that day

please call the show and ask steve... pretty please!

what time is he taking calls?

If you get through, ask him if he thinks they will be on the turf tomorrow at Belmont. :rolleyes:

pouring now

1/5 - off the turf

12/1 - on

NYRA will be playing musical chairs with the turf again tomorrow. Good thing WO is running (and MTH).

steve , you like anything at WO tomorrow?

A jock could equal 7 lengths....or rather a horse's running style could equal 7 lengths. Take War Emblem for example. Great horse if sent to the lead early. Not so much if he even sniffs a horse in front of him in the early going.

If a jock knows and caters to how a horse likes to run, that could equal 7 length or more even. Lambert probably would have made the same premature moves he made in the Sunland Derby.

no question , but, when i watched the race the 1st time , it looked to me that he had a ton more in the tank and if the race kept going another 1/4 of a mile he would have won by more

maybe the mud moved him up as well that day? did he ever run on as muddy a track in any of his other races?

I don't think he ran on mud before the Derby. Just synthetics and the dirt at Sunland.

so while the ride was great , the mud could have also moved him up big time no?

Sorta off topic but I learned one thing between The Derby and The Belmont -

pay closer attention to breeding, especially The Belmont given the distance.